[Official] D&D Mafia ~ Endgame

[anamainiacks]

Anyway, doesn't help us much, but this is where we are with claims:

Roles/Claims
1. MoB Deadly ~ ??? ~ Mason with safariguy5(?) ~ ???/??? - DoomYoshi must be dead for him to win, killed DoomYoshi on N3

Unknowns
1. Rodion
2. The Weird One
3. strike wolf
4. spiesr
5. TheForgivenOne - Jailed N1
6. Epitaph1
7. anamainiacks - Jailed N2

Dead
1. betiko ~ Nerisella Rubymace ~ Cop ~ Good/Neutral Dwarf Rogue - Modkilled D1
2. jonty125 ~ Jamorin Lightouch ~ JOAT ~ Neutral/Chaotic Gnome Rogue (claimed Neutral/Lawful Gnome Regional Traveler) - Lynched D1
3. new guy1 ~ Yenhand Silverkin ~ ???/??? - NKed N1 (Janitored)
4. safariguy5 ~ Iangeon Swordhand ~ JOAT; Mason with MoB Deadly(?) ~ Neutral/Chaotic Half-Elf Ranger - DKed by DoomYoshi D2
5. StubbsKVM ~ Caikain Pegason ~ JOAT ~ Good/Neutral Human Sorcerer - Lynched D2
6. Nebuchadneer ~ Ak'risanasessis ~ Cult Leader ~ Evil/Chaotic Green Dragon - Killed N2
7. gregwolf121 ~ Elian Duskwalker ~ Watcher ~ Good/Neutral Elf Ranger - Endgamed N2 (Janitored)
8. Commander9 ~ Seakas Dagarkin ~ ???/??? - Endgamed N2 (Janitored)
9. rishaed ~ Nerissys Mineshadow ~ Janitor ~ Evil/Neutral Duergar Rouge - Lynched D2
10. DoomYoshi ~ Davmorn Loyalar ~ Daykiller ~ Good/Lawful Human Paladin - NKed N3
11. aage ~ Elben Songsteel ~ Jailkeeper ~ Good/Neutral Goliath Fighter - Jailed TFO N1, an N2 - NKed N3

[strike wolf]

Anyway, doesn't help us much, but this is where we are with claims:

Roles/Claims
1. MoB Deadly ~ ??? ~ Mason with safariguy5(?) ~ ???/??? - DoomYoshi must be dead for him to win, killed DoomYoshi on N3

Unknowns
1. Rodion
2. The Weird One
3. strike wolf
4. spiesr
5. TheForgivenOne - Jailed N1
6. Epitaph1
7. anamainiacks - Jailed N2

Dead
1. betiko ~ Nerisella Rubymace ~ Cop ~ Good/Neutral Dwarf Rogue - Modkilled D1
2. jonty125 ~ Jamorin Lightouch ~ JOAT ~ Neutral/Chaotic Gnome Rogue (claimed Neutral/Lawful Gnome Regional Traveler) - Lynched D1
3. new guy1 ~ Yenhand Silverkin ~ ???/??? - NKed N1 (Janitored)
4. safariguy5 ~ Iangeon Swordhand ~ JOAT; Mason with MoB Deadly(?) ~ Neutral/Chaotic Half-Elf Ranger - DKed by DoomYoshi D2
5. StubbsKVM ~ Caikain Pegason ~ JOAT ~ Good/Neutral Human Sorcerer - Lynched D2
6. Nebuchadneer ~ Ak'risanasessis ~ Cult Leader ~ Evil/Chaotic Green Dragon - Killed N2
7. gregwolf121 ~ Elian Duskwalker ~ Watcher ~ Good/Neutral Elf Ranger - Endgamed N2 (Janitored)
8. Commander9 ~ Seakas Dagarkin ~ ???/??? - Endgamed N2 (Janitored)
9. rishaed ~ Nerissys Mineshadow ~ Janitor ~ Evil/Neutral Duergar Rouge - Lynched D2
10. DoomYoshi ~ Davmorn Loyalar ~ Daykiller ~ Good/Lawful Human Paladin - NKed N3
11. aage ~ Elben Songsteel ~ Jailkeeper ~ Good/Neutral Goliath Fighter - Jailed TFO N1, an N2 - NKed N3

Going by this we can definitively say that TFO did not perform the night 1 kill and Anamainiacks is not the orc from the scenes. We also know that mob is Chaotic/neutral and has at least 1 night kill that has been used. So not excluding myself from the list, that leaves us with the following as potential orc:

1. Strike wolf-The Real Pro Town hero
2. Rodion-perpetual scumzor
3. Epitaph
4. TWO
5: Spiesr

And the following as potential scum:

1. Strike Wolf
2. Rodion
3. Epitaph
4. Two
5. Spiesr
6. TFO
7. Anamainiacks.

Out of this list I would agree that Epitaph is most likely scum but I think there is quite possibly at least one more.

[Rodion]

I reckon there should be 2 remaining scum, since Rishaed's janitor flip probably means the ???s were townies.

I still think the biggest scumtell came from the way Sniper's slot (now TWO's) motivated his Stubbs vote. Considering that was outright lying, the only reason I threw my weight on Rishaed's wagon was to get 2 suspicious players out in 1 day because I was under the impression the modkill was happening.

Anyway, I'm up for a massclaim. Popcorn?

[TheForgivenOne]

Anyway, doesn't help us much, but this is where we are with claims:

Roles/Claims
1. MoB Deadly ~ ??? ~ Mason with safariguy5(?) ~ ???/??? - DoomYoshi must be dead for him to win, killed DoomYoshi on N3

Unknowns
1. Rodion
2. The Weird One
3. strike wolf
4. spiesr
5. TheForgivenOne - Jailed N1
6. Epitaph1
7. anamainiacks - Jailed N2

Dead
1. betiko ~ Nerisella Rubymace ~ Cop ~ Good/Neutral Dwarf Rogue - Modkilled D1
2. jonty125 ~ Jamorin Lightouch ~ JOAT ~ Neutral/Chaotic Gnome Rogue (claimed Neutral/Lawful Gnome Regional Traveler) - Lynched D1
3. new guy1 ~ Yenhand Silverkin ~ ???/??? - NKed N1 (Janitored)
4. safariguy5 ~ Iangeon Swordhand ~ JOAT; Mason with MoB Deadly(?) ~ Neutral/Chaotic Half-Elf Ranger - DKed by DoomYoshi D2
5. StubbsKVM ~ Caikain Pegason ~ JOAT ~ Good/Neutral Human Sorcerer - Lynched D2
6. Nebuchadneer ~ Ak'risanasessis ~ Cult Leader ~ Evil/Chaotic Green Dragon - Killed N2
7. gregwolf121 ~ Elian Duskwalker ~ Watcher ~ Good/Neutral Elf Ranger - Endgamed N2 (Janitored)
8. Commander9 ~ Seakas Dagarkin ~ ???/??? - Endgamed N2 (Janitored)
9. rishaed ~ Nerissys Mineshadow ~ Janitor ~ Evil/Neutral Duergar Rouge - Lynched D2
10. DoomYoshi ~ Davmorn Loyalar ~ Daykiller ~ Good/Lawful Human Paladin - NKed N3
11. aage ~ Elben Songsteel ~ Jailkeeper ~ Good/Neutral Goliath Fighter - Jailed TFO N1, an N2 - NKed N3

You can throw me up for a roleblock on n2 as well, although I know what caused it.

[MoB Deadly]

I am partial claimed so I may as well finish it off.

I am SafariGuy5's sibling - Ravaonna Swordhand - JOAT - Neutral/Chaotic Half Elf Ranger

We were both given the exact same powers
2 Bullet Proof Vests each, 1 Nightkil, 1 Track, 1 investigate.

Night 1 we both did nothing, with 19 players we didnt want to make any blind/random investigations. We both felt safe enough to not use BP.

Night 2 I used Bullet Proof.

Night 3 I killed DY.

So I have 1 BP, 1 invest, 1 track left.

[The Weird One]

As far as my reasoning on Epitaph: it seems that most of his cases have just been jumping on to others' reasoning. In general, it was too early to be seen as a bandwagon forming, but there was little of him making his own cases. As far as him voting for rishaed, I see that as being a simple attempt at getting noticed as a pro-town fellow. He really stands out, to me. Yes, I know most of this has been posted, already, but it is my reasoning as it stands. [yes, I do see the hypocrisy in that] ...wow...I really expected this to be a longer post.

As far as the mass claim, I was going to just go with alignment and go further if it was desired by the masses, but MoB seems to have gotten us off to a start of full claims, so here it goes: I am Fhaatra Loreweaver. I am L/G and am a pointy-eared wizard. I'm similar to a vig...I just have a chance of offing myself based one who I kill.

[Epitaph1]

It's funny how I'm accused of not making any cases when half of the players in this game are guilty of the same crime. Oh, and btw, I did make a nice long case against skillful before he was replaced. I'll accept that it wasn't a slam dunk by any means, but you can't say that I haven't been trying to get something going.

I see skill's replacement comes in as a "pointy-eared wizard" who is like a vig but not. I guess he hasn't gone anywhere this game given that all of the NKs have been accounted for (assuming the mafia got off their NK on N1). That's convenient, especially given that it was apparent from the time Saf got DK'd that MoB was chaotic and can't win with L/G. Skill was still around during N2.

Since we're mass claiming:

Balin Stoneheim - Dwarf Cleric - G/N - Doctor

Actions:
N1: gregwolf
N2: TFO
N3: DoomYoshi

I think Aage must have jailed me last night. That's the best explanation I have for Doom's death.

[MoB Deadly]

nice counter points from epi....

Odd... we already had a sorcerer, now a wizard? Has a *chance* to kill himself when he kills?

Idk if i believe that. Is it normal for Edoc to have that type of role that includes a *chance* for something to happen? I picked edoc out to be one of those mods who prefer strategic play and predictability rather than luck.....

I have only played in a couple edoc games, can anyone else attest to this?

[spiesr]

Odd... we already had a sorcerer, now a wizard? Has a *chance* to kill himself when he kills?

What is odd about this?

[TheForgivenOne]

Guess I'll continue with the claims.

I am Xavlannan Shortankard (I had to retype that 2 times) Halfling Bard, and I am a N/N Busdriver. If I manage to drive an action(s), I will learn what the action was, but not who it was on. I have one other thing included in my PM (Besides the cult thing), but at the moment, I don't wish to disclose it as it may help town later on.

[TheForgivenOne]

Guess I'll continue with the claims.

I am Xavlannan Shortankard (I had to retype that 2 times) Halfling Bard, and I am a N/N Busdriver. If I manage to drive an action(s), I will learn what the action was, but not who it was on. I have one other thing included in my PM (Besides the cult thing), but at the moment, I don't wish to disclose it as it may help town later on.

EBWOP: I will learn of ONE action.

So if A investigate and a kill were performed, I get one of those.

N1 I drove Dazza and Rishaed (Blocked)
N2 I drove myself and Anam (Ana was jailed by aage, which drove onto me, alas, blocked)
N3 I drove myself and Spiesr, no results.

[spiesr]

Since this mass-claim appears to be happening I guess I am going to be joining it.
Victor Battlefate Neutral Lawful Half-Dragon Sorcerer
Just like Stubbs I each Day I choose a spell from a list that is different each day and then I get that spell as a JOAT like power. Since I only replaced Dazza last Night all my spell choices were made by him so I can't really explain some of the choices he made.
Night 1 he used Read Magic on Aage, which tells me if he is a mage. (He wasn't.)
Night 2 No action was taken.
Night 3 I used Magic Circle against Chaos on Epitaph, which tells me if he was Chaotic. (He isn't.)

[The Weird One]

nice counter points from epi....

Odd... we already had a sorcerer, now a wizard? Has a *chance* to kill himself when he kills?

Idk if i believe that. Is it normal for Edoc to have that type of role that includes a *chance* for something to happen? I picked edoc out to be one of those mods who prefer strategic play and predictability rather than luck.....

I have only played in a couple edoc games, can anyone else attest to this?

The chance is based on who I target. I was trying to not go in full detail, but, screw it...it would appear that that time is here, anyway. [I will defend that not being a lie...it is still a chance unless I'm positive of the target's alignment]: I die if I kill someone sharing an alignment with me.

[MoB Deadly]

Odd... we already had a sorcerer, now a wizard? Has a *chance* to kill himself when he kills?

What is odd about this?

Like I said... I didnt peg edoc as a mod who leave anything up for "chance". I thought he was more of a straightforward mod who preferred strategy over chance.... but I wanted other people to weigh in to see if edoc normally designs roles like that

As a mod myself I would almost never design a role like that. But there is a clan mate I was modding with where the whole premise was to have players roll dice to determine the effectiveness of their powers. Epi would know this. Raston during spy mafia or whatever it was called.

That left me bewildered and I thought we kind of abandoned the game of mafia a bit. It depends on the mod. I am trying to speculate if anyone else has seen edoc do this

[MoB Deadly]

fast posted by spiesr and TWO..

[MoB Deadly]

TWO that explains things. That is not chance then its a rule. so that kind of answers my speculation.

[MoB Deadly]

Night 3 I used Magic Circle against Chaos on Epitaph, which tells me if he was Chaotic. (He isn't.)

Can you be more specific on this?

You got the result that he is not chaotic?

[spiesr]

Odd... we already had a sorcerer, now a wizard? Has a *chance* to kill himself when he kills?

What is odd about this?

Like I said... I didnt peg edoc as a mod who leave anything up for "chance". I thought he was more of a straightforward mod who preferred strategy over chance.... but I wanted other people to weigh in to see if edoc normally designs roles like that

As a mod myself I would almost never design a role like that. But there is a clan mate I was modding with where the whole premise was to have players roll dice to determine the effectiveness of their powers. Epi would know this. Raston during spy mafia or whatever it was called.

That left me bewildered and I thought we kind of abandoned the game of mafia a bit. It depends on the mod. I am trying to speculate if anyone else has seen edoc do this

Okay, I thought you were saying that it was odd for there to be both a sorcerer and a wizard.

Night 3 I used Magic Circle against Chaos on Epitaph, which tells me if he was Chaotic. (He isn't.)

Can you be more specific on this?

You got the result that he is not chaotic?

Yes, the result was that he is not chaotic. (And therefor it is possible for me to win with him.) That spell doesn't provide me with any further info about his alignment or role.

[MoB Deadly]

Ok I have found 2 inconsistencies that revolve around Epi... Not sure what to think of them just yet though

1.
TFO claims that if he busses someone that was targetted, he should get some sort of result.

N2 I drove myself and Anam (Ana was jailed by aage, which drove onto me, alas, blocked)

Balin Stoneheim - Dwarf Cleric - G/N - Doctor
N2: TFO

Idk.... Should TFO gotten Epi used a protection on this action? The jailing kind of muddies things up a bit.


2.
Epi claims to be jailed last night.

N3: DoomYoshi
I think Aage must have jailed me last night. That's the best explanation I have for Doom's death.

However spiesr claims to have targetted Epi with a magic spell. Spiesr should NOT have been given a result if Epi was jailed right? Jailing blocks all actions, not just kills right? Am i wrong?

This is from epicmafia. Not 100% sure how the jailer is played here.

[TheForgivenOne]

1.
TFO claims that if he busses someone that was targetted, he should get some sort of result.

N2 I drove myself and Anam (Ana was jailed by aage, which drove onto me, alas, blocked)

Balin Stoneheim - Dwarf Cleric - G/N - Doctor
N2: TFO

Idk.... Should TFO gotten Epi used a protection on this action? The jailing kind of muddies things up a bit.

I drove a roleblock onto myself, which probably negated me getting a result that a doc was used on us.

[TheForgivenOne]

1.
TFO claims that if he busses someone that was targetted, he should get some sort of result.

N2 I drove myself and Anam (Ana was jailed by aage, which drove onto me, alas, blocked)

Balin Stoneheim - Dwarf Cleric - G/N - Doctor
N2: TFO

Idk.... Should TFO gotten Epi used a protection on this action? The jailing kind of muddies things up a bit.

I drove a roleblock onto myself, which probably negated me getting a result that a doc was used on us.

EBWOP: Remember, Aage jailed Anam n2, which was drove onto me.

[spiesr]

Potentially interesting finds there MoB. Not sure how well they hold up just yet.
Number 1 is somewhat confusing. Between TFO claiming that he will learn of ONE action and the Jailkeep landing on him I am not sure what exactly he should be seeing there. Perhaps he could clarify what he did see that night?
On number 2 that part of Jailkeeping is not consistently applied here in my experience. Looks like we will just have to ask edoc'sil how he runs that role. Additionally unless Epitaph has more information than is publicly available I am not certain that he can be sure that aage jailed him. There are maybe other possibilities for his claimed Doc action to have failed to keep Doom alive.

[The Weird One]

TWO that explains things. That is not chance then its a rule. so that kind of answers my speculation.

It is a rule, yes, but it is a chance for me unless I am certain of alignment. Bad semantics, on my part, I know. Sorry about that.

[TheForgivenOne]

Number 1 is somewhat confusing. Between TFO claiming that he will learn of ONE action and the Jailkeep landing on him I am not sure what exactly he should be seeing there. Perhaps he could clarify what he did see that night

I was roleblocked that night.

[Epitaph1]

Ok I have found 2 inconsistencies that revolve around Epi... Not sure what to think of them just yet though

1.
TFO claims that if he busses someone that was targetted, he should get some sort of result.

N2 I drove myself and Anam (Ana was jailed by aage, which drove onto me, alas, blocked)

Balin Stoneheim - Dwarf Cleric - G/N - Doctor
N2: TFO

Idk.... Should TFO gotten Epi used a protection on this action? The jailing kind of muddies things up a bit.


2.
Epi claims to be jailed last night.

N3: DoomYoshi
I think Aage must have jailed me last night. That's the best explanation I have for Doom's death.

However spiesr claims to have targetted Epi with a magic spell. Spiesr should NOT have been given a result if Epi was jailed right? Jailing blocks all actions, not just kills right? Am i wrong?

This is from epicmafia. Not 100% sure how the jailer is played here.

1. Yeah, I think the jailblock must have messed up TFO's result.

2. Whenever I've played with a jailer before, he only had doctor + roleblocker abilities. Idk how edoc is uses the role though. Aside from that, it's just my guess that I was jailed--there could be another explanation for why my protection failed. We still have to hear more claims and I doubt the scum will own up to it if it was their doing.