A Cino Filled Mafia (2/27) *Game Over*

[Talapus]

Proof:

With 27 roles in this game there is no way town doesn't have a few that can assure that.

Unless you had inside information you would never know who the vig was going to kill even assuming there was one.

Proof of what? No where in there did I say vig. In all honestly I was referring more to the peeps with one shots as Chu loves the one shot roles. All the vig rolls he usually gives are handicapped or perverted in some way so they aren't helpful that much. Why you flew off the handle and responded that way is beyond me but seriously why respond or give it thought if it was a dumb argument to begin with?

Makes no sense to me what so ever. So....Vote: Doom

[Talapus]

[quote="JamesKer1"]Yoshi, your making absolutely perfect sense to me[quote]


WHERE? I mean really dude how is talking about a mafia busdriver bussing com9 who is now dead making perfect sense. It didn't happen and quite honestly any busdriver dumb enough to do that day one with a large a target as com9 deserves what would have happened. But it's a moot point as com9 is dead and he turned up town. So please show me where Yoshi makes perfect sense so I too may bask in the epiphany that makes you comfortable saying this.

[Talapus]

Loss originated from your own role? Are you saying that a night action of yours failed or succeeded and this caused the voteless ability. Or just some random game mechanic based on your character in the game? I ask because if it's a random game mechanic I'm hoping this isn't happening to others.

This, I'd say.

Ok, it's a chu game so can understand that. Was just curious to see if it was attached to success or failure to night actions. Thanks!

[Rodion]

Proof:

With 27 roles in this game there is no way town doesn't have a few that can assure that.

Unless you had inside information you would never know who the vig was going to kill even assuming there was one.

Proof of what? No where in there did I say vig. In all honestly I was referring more to the peeps with one shots as Chu loves the one shot roles. All the vig rolls he usually gives are handicapped or perverted in some way so they aren't helpful that much. Why you flew off the handle and responded that way is beyond me but seriously why respond or give it thought if it was a dumb argument to begin with?

Makes no sense to me what so ever. So....Vote: Doom

Does it really matter whether Comm was getting shot by a vig or by a 1-shot Chu role? Wouldn't both bullets be equally busdrivable?

[Minister Masket]

I srsly can`t play this anymore. Either lynch me or replace me.

Vote DoomYoshi

Vote Count plesh?

[rishaed]

I srsly can`t play this anymore. Either lynch me or replace me.

Vote DoomYoshi

Vote Count plesh?

well if thats how you feel??? You could have waited for more people to actually join the wagon before giving up. I'm not really wanting to vote you b/c of suspicion but if you want to randomly just ask for getting lynched out of frustration, then I thought that you were a bit more mature than that. I understand where you are coming from but its not productive behaivor Vote DY

[JamesKer1]

No no no... I have been slacking. 40 PhDs and all of that... PRs are hard to remember when it is something that doesn't relate to the role. I am smart, you aren't. If Shadowstar was playing, it would be easier to keep up... So, just to throw out there... Two guys with PRs and I know I am town. Is he? Or is he scum with same PR?

Can you vote for someone other than Comm now that Comm is gone though?

[Anarkistsdream]

No no no... I have been slacking. 40 PhDs and all of that... PRs are hard to remember when it is something that doesn't relate to the role. I am smart, you aren't. If Shadowstar was playing, it would be easier to keep up... So, just to throw out there... Two guys with PRs and I know I am town. Is he? Or is he scum with same PR?

Can you vote for someone other than Comm now that Comm is gone though?

Oh... yeah, dude. Once a lyncher gets their target, they are free

[JamesKer1]

No no no... I have been slacking. 40 PhDs and all of that... PRs are hard to remember when it is something that doesn't relate to the role. I am smart, you aren't. If Shadowstar was playing, it would be easier to keep up... So, just to throw out there... Two guys with PRs and I know I am town. Is he? Or is he scum with same PR?

Can you vote for someone other than Comm now that Comm is gone though?

Oh... yeah, dude. Once a lyncher gets their target, they are free

Alright then, cool. No reason to lynch you or Shadow then if you really are town. Soooooo.... VOTE TALAPUS for making DY rage quit and illogical reasoning.

FOS Neb for only appearing after your name comes up a few times.

But the nail on the coffin for me is this:

this is dumb. Vig can be RB'ed, Com9 can be doctored, there is probably a Lightning Rod, busdriver and everyone else. You probably want someone to kill him tonight because you are mafia and then you can busdrive the kill to a target of your choice.

Now, busdrivers are not that common but mafia busdrivers are even more seldom used, especially outside of Chu's games, due to their overpowered WTF nature. Yet DoomYoshi not only assumes there's a busdriver here, but a mafia one at that. Where would he have gotten this idea? Could it be that he knows for a fact there was a mafia busdriver, because his scumbuddy Mandy was one? Slipup I say.

This is a Fircoal game. Ofc there is going to be something like that. Also, this was a hypothetical situation- me saying that there are probably cult leaders for each faction doesn't make me scummy does it? Mafia Docs have been referenced, and they seem even less common that mafia busdrivers. The person referring to that wasn't called scummy were they? (Will look for that post if you really want me to).

Since I'm on a role to try and make a statement in Yoshi's defense (only because I don't think he is mafia), I thought I would post that. Didn't want to tarnish my image for sticking up for Yoshi there since he has already been suspected in the past.

I also suspect there is a PGO in this game. If only because Fircoal does love his power roles and even he has to balance out his games sometimes.

^This.

Now on to Talapus....

If you, as a mafia busdriver, know where the vig kill is going, you can target that kill to any player you want. How is that hard to understand ffs? It's a standard mafia busdriver move and the very reason that directing vig kills can be bad.

Unless you had inside information you would never know who the vig was going to kill even assuming there was one.

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SAID THERE WAS A VIG AND THAT THE VIG SHOULD TARGET COMM9!!!! I WAS JUST FOLLOWING THE LOGICAL CONCLUSION OF YOUR STUPID ARGUMENT!!!!

Guaranteed he will be targeted by multiple parties so I highly doubt if we don't lynch him, that he'll be with us next game day. The one advantage to us not lynching his ass as I said before is IF there is a win condition based on a lynch of him or Firocal he doesn't get it. Because he would have been offed in the night. Then regardless of his alignment he is still dead, no win condition plays out, and we have an inactive lynched from the night before..

... You are jumping to major conclusions based on so little fact it's astonishing. Never lynching his ass isn't a bad thing, again I think the odds of him living through the night are less then 3.5%. So this would never even be an issue. That you draw a conclusion I don't want him dead fascinates me as we don't even know if he is town or scum. If he is town, and I wanted him dead that would be scummy. If he is mafia and I wanted him alive that too would be scummy. But unless you are aware of his alignment, then this conslusion is complete bs. If you are aware of his alignment by all means state it now, otherwise stop assuming people are scum for not voting a maybe scum member or maybe town member.

...I'd bet money in Vegas he won't live through the night. Mainly because if he is third party cult, mafia will target his ass or town will target his ass tonight. Third party screws up the other two factions chances of winning. Sorry, Com9 is an outcast in my mind right not. I don't think lynching him helps us as it may sway what sounds like a win condition with his roll. But if he happens to die in the night then he is gone anyway and we focused our energy else where day one which I think is what we should do. He seems like a wasted lynch to me right now. If Com9 gets lynched , (and I said I was willing to vote him as a lynch is better than none) and he wins this damn game because a bunch of people jumped on the bandwagon and he has a win condition I will hate you all. Half the games I have ever played of Fircoals have players with completely ridiculous win conditions. Just saying.

All talking about night kills on Comm.

AND... the grand slam to prove DY correct:

Lynching him isn't necessary. As I said I'm sure he will be targeted by multiple people and I doubt he'll live through the night. With 27 roles in this game there is no way town doesn't have a few that can assure that. So it's a waste of a lynch. He dies when morning rolls around and we still learn his alignment and what's going on, on top of that if he has a win condition it's more likely he won't get it because we didn't lynch his ass. Even more on top of that, we would still have the evidence to go on for tomorrow on who bandwagoned him or who didn't as he is currently at lynch 3.

So no, I'm not saying his death won't give us info I'm saying you aren't looking at it in the best light possible. We lynch him then that data is all we have to go on tomorrow. We don't and lynch someone else(Can be anyone, doesn't have to be an inactive it was just a thought). Then we will have that death and quite possibly Com9's by morning and thats twice the data we'd ever get if we just considered lynching Com9. I don't understand why this is a bad plan. I'd rather have more to go on then who voted or didn't vote Com9 the next day....what a complete waste of time since we already have that.

...Secondly, it's not like the town is losing anything by have one of them block Com9 in case he lives. Think about it, we don't know who town cops, docs, or vigilantes are at moment. I'd rather have a role blocker or some other role similar to that block Com9(In case he doesn't end up murdered tonight) instead of a useful power role by accident.

There is still time to sway the votes in another direction people. We have the data that so many of you want and hopefully some power role will off Com9 tonight *Nudge, Nudge, Wink Wink, Whoever you are*

NOW... Since Talapus has decided to change his beliefs on the make up of this game (vigs and not vigs, power roles, etc.) I think it would be wise to look into him some more, if not at least vote him. Looking forward to see what he spins off this to make me look bad

[DoomYoshi]

quite honestly any busdriver dumb enough to do that day one with a large a target as com9 deserves what would have happened.

What would have happened... what is it that would have happened?

Here is what would have happened. Mafia busdriver (or hoodlum, or whatever faction) would rather that the comm9 kill gets used somewhere else. He buses comm9 with somewhere else. That other person is now dead. Mafia faction gets an extra kill.

How is that dumb?

[DoomYoshi]

Proof:

With 27 roles in this game there is no way town doesn't have a few that can assure that.

Unless you had inside information you would never know who the vig was going to kill even assuming there was one.

Proof of what? No where in there did I say vig. In all honestly I was referring more to the peeps with one shots as Chu loves the one shot roles.

Oh. I didn't realize that in your twisted world vigs and 1-shot vigs are totally different roles. When you spend the entire day talking about how some power role should have offed comm9, I didn't realize you meant that the imaginary pervert role has 1-shot vig but it isn't called a vig.

vote talapus

You lying sack of cunt!

[rishaed]

hmm vote Japan nice to see you come back DY, but I still don't like the language.

[JamesKer1]

Votes Count

Doom- Lexile, Nark, Ga7, Tal, Min Mask
Talapus- JK1, DY
NEB- Jonty
Democracy- Rodion
Japan- Rish

22 Alive, 12 to Lynch


Here you go MM!

[Talapus]

Alright then, cool. No reason to lynch you or Shadow then if you really are town. Soooooo.... VOTE TALAPUS for making DY rage quit and illogical reasoning.

FOS Neb for only appearing after your name comes up a few times.

Wow, well I'm certainly not basking....what is that???? Certainly not an epiphany. Seriously man grow up. Doom's a big boy, he can handle himself. That fact that this is why your voting me makes me think you and doom are on the same team. Because this looks an awful lot like day 1. When Doom turns up scum I'm voting you

[Talapus]

vote talapus

You lying sack of cunt!

Hello new sig....It's been so long since I found one I could use. Take the anger down a few notches it's just a game. You may burst a blood vessel. Vote on you stays....I'm thinking james is your scum buddy and now I want to find out.

[Nebuchadnezer]

vote talapus

You lying sack of cunt!

Hello new sig....It's been so long since I found one I could use. Take the anger down a few notches it's just a game. You may burst a blood vessel. Vote on you stays....I'm thinking james is your scum buddy and now I want to find out.

Funny. Anyone who votes Talapus is a scumbuddy of someone. I think both James and Doom put you in a corner with your own words. Oh, wait, I'm buddying Doom again.

For the record, I voted Talapus last night. I see no reason I wouldn't vote him again...but I'll give him another post or two to rant about how stupid we are and how scummy we are for thinking he could be scum.

I would like to hear from those who haven't posted...Skoffin for example?

[safariguy5]

It's a pretty big assumption to assume that there is a mafia busdriver who would want to redirect the Com9 kill.

I think that Tal wanted to have someone NK Com because Tal believed Com9 was a jester (not unheard of in a Fircoal game). The best way to deal with a jester is to just NK him. I might add that it would also mean mafia would want a jester dead as well as jesters only cause annoyance and distraction once outed. So really, vigging Com9 the possible jester would be useful to mafia as well.

[shrewstur]

Can we have a VOTE COUNT?

Not sure we're far enough into the day to warrant a vote count. We still have about 9 people that haven't checked in yet...

One of those 9 being me. I'll try to post something tomorrow.

[Minister Masket]

If there is a mafia busdriver here somewhere then I'll eat my...something. But a normal busdriver? Likely. They and the also-likely PGO should be making you lot think wisely about your night actions.

Oh, thanks James, but it's the numbers I'm interested in so I'll happily wait for an official VC from Fir. ^^

[JamesKer1]

vote talapus

You lying sack of cunt!

Hello new sig....It's been so long since I found one I could use. Take the anger down a few notches it's just a game. You may burst a blood vessel. Vote on you stays....I'm thinking james is your scum buddy and now I want to find out.

Remember when DY voted me or almost did Day 1? Not his scum buddy. I think he made and promoted a few arguments against me as well. Either a really good cover up or not "scum buddies". I'll let you decide, but it is the latter.

I was the other person who voted you last night. Hopefully we can get more than that tonight. I love how none of that whole message was responded to except my general reasoning for voting you.

[DoomYoshi]

If there is a mafia busdriver here somewhere then I'll eat my...something. But a normal busdriver? Likely. They and the also-likely PGO should be making you lot think wisely about your night actions.

Oh, thanks James, but it's the numbers I'm interested in so I'll happily wait for an official VC from Fir. ^^

There already was a scum-flipped busdriver, so I don`t understand your point.

It's a pretty big assumption to assume that there is a mafia busdriver who would want to redirect the Com9 kill.

I think that Tal wanted to have someone NK Com because Tal believed Com9 was a jester (not unheard of in a Fircoal game). The best way to deal with a jester is to just NK him. I might add that it would also mean mafia would want a jester dead as well as jesters only cause annoyance and distraction once outed. So really, vigging Com9 the possible jester would be useful to mafia as well.

I wasn`t assuming that any player could be. Furthermore, if I actually, truly believed he was a mafia busdriver I would have voted him for it. It was an offhand comment, trying to explain a player I can`t understand and now I will be hung for it. I was assuming specifically that Talapus was, due to his NK argument. If Tal thought there was a jester, why wouldn`t he say that? Why are you defending him? To paraphrase himself:

Seriously man grow up. Doom's Talapus is a big boy, he can handle himself.

So I am calm now Tal. Any response on why you built your argument day 1 around a role which is town, with night kills, but not a vig, even going so far as to say there is no way town doesn`t have a role like that and yet I am an asshole for assuming there is a vig?

This talk of vig killing and busdriving makes it look an awful lot like you have inside info or want the rest of us to think you do. Either way I don't like it.

I concur... Not to mention, Doom, you are still talking about a bunch of freaking What Ifs, since Comm was lynched and we had no reason to be believed he would not be. What if Comm had made it to night? What if Talapus was the bus driver? What if what if what if. Far too many what ifs since none of that came to pass for you to be making judgment calls on.

I only brought it up again because ga7 is voting me for the what-if scenario. This is a setup. ga7 comes and votes me for the scenario of yesterday. Nark votes me for talking about the scenario again.

I srsly can`t play this anymore. Either lynch me or replace me.

I'm TRYING!!!

FTR, for those of you not paying attention, when I say lynch or replace, I actually am talking about the imaginary game system that Talapus is playing in. I mean perverted roles that die during the day after receiving a bunch of votes but aren`t lynches because they only happen once.

[DoomYoshi]

FPed by JK: It`s called ad hom. Only weapon that Tal has. Either devolve to his level or ignore him.

[Skoffin]

Well well well, what's all this then? Sorry chaps for not getting back to you sooner, and my apologies in advance for this post will not be all that extensive on this night.

Righto then, I've taken a look over the present day and must say I am somewhat flummoxed; I highly recommended everyone relax and get out of the tiff that seems to be going on. I have some cement tea on offer for those that find themselves parched.

Personally, I do not trust either Tal or Doom in this case. I didn't like Doom's attitude or actions on the previous day, and I don't like it now; however Tal seems to be taking a similar approach. You can't claim to have never called upon a vig when many of your posts the previous day heavily implied it. Also, if I recall correctly, Doom was not the only one to mention a mafia busdriver.
Both cases being thrown about have their element of bollocks, and I think both should be looked into.
I will have to do a search and see what I can find on the morrow, in the mean time old beans I must say cheerio.

[iAmCaffeine]

Is there potential for Doom and Tal to be on different factions but both against town?

[rishaed]

Is there potential for Doom and Tal to be on different factions but both against town?

Theoretically yes, there is also the chance of them being more third partyish without being scum/town aligned as well. We have at least 3 or more confirmed factions and I'd say the PGO has at least the survivor WC if not something else just because its a Chu game?