Stool Pigeon Mafia - Game Over! Mafia Win!!! MVP- Zimmah

[VioIet]

Vote Count

Mob(1)- sens

sensfan (3)- zimmah, william, mob, Eldario, dazza, chap

With 12 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.


Sensfan has been lynched!


thehippo is replacing Nagerous.

Eldario has replaced conzocool.


It is now Night 4. Please send in your actions.

Night 4 Begin

[VioIet]

TheHippo has been killed.

Dazza has been killed.


Day 5 Begin!


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[dazza2008]

Good game.

[zimmah]

Good game.

Stil two kills, i really dont understand how thats possible.

[thehippo8]

Lol

[chapcrap]

Good game.

Stil two kills, i really dont understand how thats possible.

Obviously there is still a SK and mafia alive. I don't know how you wouldn't reach that conclusion.

[MoB Deadly]

Can you enlighten us why you thought you could determine "sens" was the most likely sk?

I have become suspect of zimmah on this revive I think

[zimmah]

Unvote since it was just a random day 1 vote. I do give this for you to think about and discuss on a serious matter, but the last line is very important.

We have 3 players who's game numbers equal 41. Who they are, I cannot say by rule, but one of them will surely cause a death each day by choosing to make a dead dude. The numbers are not all even or all odd, but the person surely is odd. Heed my advice town because once I state this, I cannot interpret any answers.

I made a little program that calculated every possible combination of player numbers totaling 41. There are 46 unique combinations (hippo's method had duplicates) Here they are for reference as well as the player list I used.

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22   18   1
22   17   2
22   16   3
22   15   4
22   14   5
22   13   6
22   12   7
22   11   8
22   10   9
21   18   2
21   17   3
21   16   4
21   15   5
21   14   6
21   13   7
21   12   8
21   11   9
20   18   3
20   17   4
20   16   5
20   15   6
20   14   7
20   13   8
20   12   9
20   11   10
19   18   4
19   17   5
19   16   6
19   15   7
19   14   8
19   13   9
19   12   10
18   17   6
18   16   7
18   15   8
18   14   9
18   13   10
18   12   11
17   16   8
17   15   9
17   14   10
17   13   11
16   15   10
16   14   11
16   13   12
15   14   12

And here is my list, as they are on the first page, counting replacements

1   edocsil
2   Nag
3   Victor
4   PCM
5   Fox
6   LSU Tiger
7   Irish Tiger
8   Trinicardinal
9   terrafutan
10   chapcrap
11   skillfusion
12   WildWill
13   dazza
14   conzocool
15   mob deadly
16   SG7
17   JenBroness
18   Zimmah
19   ShaggyDan
20   DazeRazer
21   thehippo
22   eldario



At the moment it does us little, besides indication that low player numbers are statistically less likely to be scum then then high numbers. Even this assumption is invalid if the roles were assigned in a non random fashion. If we find out that player (pick a number randomly here) 17 was scum that would leave us with 18 possible scum but if we know that player 17 was scum and player 4 was scum, following the pattern would explicitly claim that player 20 was the 3rd scum member.

The major caveat to this is the whole thing is completely useless if there are more then 3 scum, but it still will work if there are multiple factions and we can distinguish between scum. Factions are a possibility, otherwise we could easily have a 10 day game with only one kill a night. It could go on even longer if we cannot come to conclusions as to who to lynch.

i based my guess on this post.

guess i was wrong though.

[zimmah]

i mean the only other option, by that post would be mob, which i beleive to be town.

so either i was wrong about mob being town, or that post i used for refference was wrong.

either way, i was very confident that sens would be the SK.

[zimmah]

as i see it we can do 2 things:

1) disregard the information with the numbers completely, as it has not lead to anything good yet, and maybe it won't be usefull (t may have been fake info)

2) lynch the only other option: Mob, in the hope mob is the SK.

i'll leave the choice to you, as i'm not sure anymore.

[MoB Deadly]

Didnt we lynch LSU because he was lying?

[chapcrap]

So, what happened?

1. zimmah leads an incorrect lynch on sens.
2. I ask him why sens and he never really gave a good answer.
3. Sens gets lycnhed.
4. During the night there are 2 kills.
5. All of a sudden, zimmah has a vague reason why he decided sens was SK.

It's just ridiculous that he couldn't give his reasoning yesterday. And now his reasoning is because of that number chart post that basically no one understood and we all pretty much decided was wrong anyway. Not only does he say that was his reasoning, he doesn't even go into the thought process. It's just some vague attempt. I don't like it and I don't buy it.

unvote vote zimmah

[chapcrap]

Didnt we lynch LSU because he was lying?

You fastposted me with this.

I don't remember to be honest. He's been in the game twice, hasn't he?

[MoB Deadly]

So, what happened?

1. zimmah leads an incorrect lynch on sens.
2. I ask him why sens and he never really gave a good answer.
3. Sens gets lycnhed.
4. During the night there are 2 kills.
5. All of a sudden, zimmah has a vague reason why he decided sens was SK.

It's just ridiculous that he couldn't give his reasoning yesterday. And now his reasoning is because of that number chart post that basically no one understood and we all pretty much decided was wrong anyway. Not only does he say that was his reasoning, he doesn't even go into the thought process. It's just some vague attempt. I don't like it and I don't buy it.

unvote vote zimmah

This.

[zimmah]

So, what happened?

1. zimmah leads an incorrect lynch on sens.
2. I ask him why sens and he never really gave a good answer.
3. Sens gets lycnhed.
4. During the night there are 2 kills.
5. All of a sudden, zimmah has a vague reason why he decided sens was SK.

It's just ridiculous that he couldn't give his reasoning yesterday. And now his reasoning is because of that number chart post that basically no one understood and we all pretty much decided was wrong anyway. Not only does he say that was his reasoning, he doesn't even go into the thought process. It's just some vague attempt. I don't like it and I don't buy it.

unvote vote zimmah

i'd like to give more reasons but i'm not even allowed to, remember, the vt rule everyone seems to miss.

[chapcrap]

So, what happened?

1. zimmah leads an incorrect lynch on sens.
2. I ask him why sens and he never really gave a good answer.
3. Sens gets lycnhed.
4. During the night there are 2 kills.
5. All of a sudden, zimmah has a vague reason why he decided sens was SK.

It's just ridiculous that he couldn't give his reasoning yesterday. And now his reasoning is because of that number chart post that basically no one understood and we all pretty much decided was wrong anyway. Not only does he say that was his reasoning, he doesn't even go into the thought process. It's just some vague attempt. I don't like it and I don't buy it.

unvote vote zimmah

i'd like to give more reasons but i'm not even allowed to, remember, the vt rule everyone seems to miss.

You now soft claim some other knowledge, but said you led the lynch because of the numbers? Contradict much?

[zimmah]

So, what happened?

1. zimmah leads an incorrect lynch on sens.
2. I ask him why sens and he never really gave a good answer.
3. Sens gets lycnhed.
4. During the night there are 2 kills.
5. All of a sudden, zimmah has a vague reason why he decided sens was SK.

It's just ridiculous that he couldn't give his reasoning yesterday. And now his reasoning is because of that number chart post that basically no one understood and we all pretty much decided was wrong anyway. Not only does he say that was his reasoning, he doesn't even go into the thought process. It's just some vague attempt. I don't like it and I don't buy it.

unvote vote zimmah

i'd like to give more reasons but i'm not even allowed to, remember, the vt rule everyone seems to miss.

You now soft claim some other knowledge, but said you led the lynch because of the numbers? Contradict much?

i never said i knew everything, it'spossible to combine the numbers with other information, isn't it?

[VioIet]

Vote Count

zimmah (1)- chap

[FoxMists]

I get busy for a couple days and wtf!?

Everyone seems to be bandwagoning like mad now. As far as zimmah being scum, it seems unlikely I think based on the fact that he just got back. Maybe he came back as mafia, true. He didn't come back as the SK because we never bloody found the SK to kill him or her in the first place! As far as his most recent posts, he seems more confused than anything. And I think it's a stretch to say he's soft claiming informant.

As far as MoB is concerned, I'm still highly suspicious, but no more so than I am of William at this point. I don't know what to make of Hippo yet. Rolling eyes isn't really communicating with the group much. It's not terribly helpful.

Right now, at least everyone I find suspicious is actively attempting to help the town (or confuse town) with commentary. Communication. Except William. He's been voting with no explanations. Wake up and talk william. You're here enough to vote, then you should be present enough to communicate. Right now you just seem awfully scummy.

Also this game = x1000

[thehippo8]

:shock:

I get busy for a couple days and wtf!?

I don't know what to make of Hippo yet. Rolling eyes isn't really communicating with the group much. It's not terribly helpful.

Given I was killed before I could even have something to say I reckon that rolling my eyes is a pretty neat trick!!

[MoB Deadly]

vote zimmah I dont like his defense.

[terrafutan]

Also this game = x1000

This.

Never been as confused in a mafia game as I am in this one.

[VioIet]

Vote Count

zimmah (2)- chap, MoB

[Eldario]

I kind of feel like Chap and Mob is holding each others back
I also tends to agree with Fox, but how knows?

I have two scenario I find reasonable,

1. Mob and Chap are Mafia - the one I personally think are the most likely
2. Fox and Zimmah are Mafia - possible but kind of a longshot

[zimmah]

I kind of feel like Chap and Mob is holding each others back
I also tends to agree with Fox, but how knows?

I have two scenario I find reasonable,

1. Mob and Chap are Mafia - the one I personally think are the most likely
2. Fox and Zimmah are Mafia - possible but kind of a longshot

i think you may be right on that one.

as i stated earlier, the most likely theory why we lynched the wrong person as being the sk, was because i believed mob to be informant. however mob only gave us a bit of information about 3 possible VTs, which is impossable to proof or disproof, and wasn't of any help during the rest of the game. so it's a pretty save fakeclaim.

and, like i explained, he was the only other option besides sensfan. so, that makes me very suspicious of him.

also: he never disagreed with me before and even actively helped lynching sensfan, he seemed to believe my claim, but after a single mistake (which can happen, i never claimed to know EVERYTHING) he suddenly switched his opinion on me. why? because he realized he is now my most likely target, it just makes sense. eliminate all other options and you're left with the truth, however unlikely.