HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[freezie]

I revoted Spartihar.

Fixed. And the worst thing is I has it correct in my notes...

[SPARTACUS1974]

strike you are still thinking this to be your perfect HP story lmao and everything should follow the book nice and perfect.
look when nymphadora got lynched she was a animorph in the role but that was not correct in the books as you all stated and because of that she got lynched .you lost a town.
so just take a moment and re read what i have said yes i will turn back to the deatheaters after my night actions have been used a few times it has not been used yet so im safe for at least 4 more nights then you have to kill me ,i do not want to turn to a deatheater it is not good for me to do so at all.

[Nebuchadnezer]

because he's going to tell us when he flips mafia so we can lynch him then. The whole thing seems like a fake claim to me. I mean it sounds like something someone who skimmed over the wikipedia article might come up with as his fake claim.

Accurate information his role would represent without details.

1. Snape was originally a death eater.
2. He switched sides and joined Dumbledore and The Order of THe Phoenix.
3. He once again became a death eater.

How that information falls apart.

1. Snape was a Death Eater until Voldemort killed the woman he loved and he realized that he was on the wrong side.
2. At this point he joined Dumbledore and promised to protect Harry.
3. He rejoined the Death Eater but was actually a spy for Dumbledore the entire time (Helping Harry find and destroy some of the Horcruxes)

Snape did not just turn evil nor does using Dark Magic turn you evil in the series. Dark Magic is a sign that someone is a Death Eater but not tell all.

Perhaps a vig kill would be more viable but I don't want Mafia potentially messing with who is actually targeted.

Ah, Strike...didn't you learn from the Tonks lynch? Or are you trying to use flavor to convince the town that we should lynch a townie and save you the work.

I could FOS you, but what the heck does that even do? So...

UNVOTE VOTE STRIKE WOLF.

Why? For using faulty logic and trying to play the mod. We already got screwed once on this type of lynching. I'm not going to make that same mistake, and any townie worth an ounce of smarts will not fall for this faulty argument, nor push for a lynch using this type of argument. Poor play, Strike, poor play.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Yes, I realize that there are other players out there using the "kill him now" argument. I'm just choosing to go with Strike because of his unfounded argument and trying to play the mod for us.

[spiesr]

Spartcus2, I still need you to give detailed and clear answers to every question that I asked you in this post.

my power is every other night i get moved around randomly with another wizard good and bad so if a deatheater tries to block us ,bus us , well any night activity i find out there roles.
the downside is as im using dark magic this is not good i can only use this info for a few times before i turn and go back to the dark side and rejoin the deatheaters.

Your explanation of how you role works is unclear at best, so let me get this straight.
You are saying that you are randomly assigned a target each night? Or do you mean alternating nights? You don't get to choose your target? Are you informed which player has been assigned as your target? Since overuse of this power is tied to your alignment, do you get to choose if you use this power or night, or is it forced?
What exactly do you do to your target anyway? Your description seems to say that you find out the role of anyone who targets your target. How does that work?
Was your power used last night?

I realize you have since covered some of them, not necessarily to my satisfaction, but you certainly did not hit all of them. If believe your claim, then we are in a situation where you will become a liability at some point. In order to properly debate and balance the risk/reward and determine how long you could be allowed to live we need to know exactly how your role works.

so just take a moment and re read what i have said yes i will turn back to the deatheaters after my night actions have been used a few times it has not been used yet so im safe for at least 4 more nights then you have to kill me ,i do not want to turn to a deatheater it is not good for me to do so at all.

Now wait, I was under the impression that your power take two nights to work. If it didn't start doing whatever it does last night, then does that mean that we wouldn't be able to get any information from you until Day 4? Also, explain how switching sides would be a bad thing for you.

also i cant reveal my wc but turning to a deatheater does not help me

So, you do not have the standard town win condition? Earlier you seems to have implied that you were town now, but would turn scum in the future. But, if your win condition is something else then are you even town now? The way you are phrasing things here seems to be implying that your win condition is separate from your alignment. I don't recall any instance of stuff like that ever.

Ah, Strike...didn't you learn from the Tonks lynch? Or are you trying to use flavor to convince the town that we should lynch a townie and save you the work.

I could FOS you, but what the heck does that even do? So...

UNVOTE VOTE STRIKE WOLF.

Why? For using faulty logic and trying to play the mod. We already got screwed once on this type of lynching. I'm not going to make that same mistake, and any townie worth an ounce of smarts will not fall for this faulty argument, nor push for a lynch using this type of argument. Poor play, Strike, poor play.

Maybe Strike's problem with Spartucs2 is that his claim doesn't appear to make sense on any level. Now, this may be in part because Sparatcus/Leehar did such a bad job of explaining it. As it stands, he has one more chance to explain everything or I will vote for him as well.

[strike wolf]

So people are still trying to disregard everything else about the Spartacus case day 1 and strip it down to the animorphagus part. Ok. The spartacus lynch was justified day 1. he stumbled over his own claim. He dropped scum tells. Role flavor (sorry I'm far from the only one who does this) did not seem to fit. That's the abbreviated form of the Spartacus case but you want to strip it down to the animorphagus part. Does that count as a strawman argument?

As far as role flavor goes. No you cannot expect roles to work perfectly as you think they will for instance if it did than Snape would be a mafia traitor. Part of the Death Eaters group but working for town. Wouldn't be allowed to directly out the death eaters (to prevent an easy town win) but could hint towards who they were. But you should be able to expect that the mod at least gave them flavor that fits their role to some extent. For example if someone was to claim Hermione Granger-Inept Wizard, I would not hesitate to support their lynch as the flavor would be completely off. That's what I feel about the Snape claim. I also can't expect that the mod made multiple mistakes in regards to characters (I'll even admit that from the angle he went Tonks being a commuter does make a certain amount of sense) especially as my flavor seems to be dead on. My role itself is more arguable but it isn't completely adverse to the character's flavor.

[SPARTACUS1974]

please read carefully my wc is same as towns . so if i turn into a deatheater i am not town anymore so i lose .do you want me to say my full wc so i get mod killed?
who said my power takes 2 nights to work ? i said it works everyother night.
look i have explained everything a few times now so if you wanna kill me do so you all seem to think this is following HP word for word it does not . no matter what i say someone will find a fault with it so kill me now and lose another town so unless you have a question that i have not answered earlier dont bother asking as i wont reply.

[Iron Butterfly]

...And maybe Strikes problem is that he doesnt want Sparticus alive because he fears what Sparticus would reveal.

Here is what I have learned he can do so lets not make it more complicated then some of you are making it out to be.

1) He switches with another random player every other night, starting tonight, night two.

2) By switching with this player he learns their role and identity.

3) anyone who targets this player will also be revealed...so if Mafia trys to role block, busdrive ect it is not only blocked but the origin of the action is revealed as well. The only thing I am confused about is does this include if Sparticus is targeted AND the person he changes places with? Are both protected?

4) The BIG issue that has all the "death to Sparticas" camp up in arms is when he will change. He has stated his first action strts tonight. He may turn after night four he may not.

His role is Wizard Hunter. He hunts wizards. His role has been desighned to do just that. This is a very powerful role in my opinion, which is why it has its steep price. I am not going to play mod but Freezie created this role because he realized how useful it would be for Town. He did not create this role so it would only be useful to Mafia which folks seem to argue.

The folks who want Sparticus dead act as if he is a direct threat to Town at the moment and he is not. No ..the goal of Mafia would be to put fear and doubt for those unsure. They dont say he is lying they say they cant trust him because he will turn.

[chapcrap]

please read carefully my wc is same as towns . so if i turn into a deatheater i am not town anymore so i lose .do you want me to say my full wc so i get mod killed?
who said my power takes 2 nights to work ? i said it works everyother night.
look i have explained everything a few times now so if you wanna kill me do so you all seem to think this is following HP word for word it does not . no matter what i say someone will find a fault with it so kill me now and lose another town so unless you have a question that i have not answered earlier dont bother asking as i wont reply.

You're the one who won't give an action/information for night one. You are defacto saying that it takes 2 nights to start. Refute it by actually telling us night one information.

You're explanation just doesn't add up.

[everywhere116]

No ..the goal of Mafia would be to put fear and doubt for those unsure. They dont say he is lying they say they cant trust him because he will turn.

Irony

[spiesr]

please read carefully my wc is same as towns . so if i turn into a deatheater i am not town anymore so i lose .do you want me to say my full wc so i get mod killed?
who said my power takes 2 nights to work ? i said it works everyother night.
look i have explained everything a few times now so if you wanna kill me do so you all seem to think this is following HP word for word it does not . no matter what i say someone will find a fault with it so kill me now and lose another town so unless you have a question that i have not answered earlier dont bother asking as i wont reply.

Does your role pm actually say that you will lose if you switch? Normally in a situation like that I would think that you would then obtain the scum win condition so that you can win that way.
So, can you elaborate a little bit on what the results that you would get on night 2 will look like? I mean will you get some like this?

Your target was Fircoal.
He was visted by Tails (Some Guy) Doctor and by aage (Mr. Evil) Mafia roleblocker.

Or am I completely on the wrong track?

[SPARTACUS1974]

jesus cant you read at all chap there is no info from night 1 , i was tucked up nicely in my bed which part of every other night dont you understand.

can i say what my wc says or will i get mod killed?
the results will tell me there name /role and any other info they hold

[chapcrap]

jesus cant you read at all chap there is no info from night 1 , i was tucked up nicely in my bed which part of every other night dont you understand.

can i say what my wc says or will i get mod killed?
the results will tell me there name /role and any other info they hold

Exactly, no info, so you are saying that it starts night 2. You keep contradicting yourself.

who said my power takes 2 nights to work ? i said it works everyother night.

I will say it again: You're explanation just doesn't add up.

We found scum for sure.

[SPARTACUS1974]

so i can use my power everyother night so night 2 night 4 then then night 6 i may turn to the dark side how hard is that to understand

[Nebuchadnezer]

jesus cant you read at all chap there is no info from night 1 , i was tucked up nicely in my bed which part of every other night dont you understand.

can i say what my wc says or will i get mod killed?
the results will tell me there name /role and any other info they hold

Exactly, no info, so you are saying that it starts night 2. You keep contradicting yourself.

who said my power takes 2 nights to work ? i said it works everyother night.

I will say it again: You're explanation just doesn't add up.

We found scum for sure.

Chap...you can't be this dumb. However, you can be this scummy.

[spiesr]

jesus cant you read at all chap there is no info from night 1 , i was tucked up nicely in my bed which part of every other night dont you understand.

can i say what my wc says or will i get mod killed?
the results will tell me there name /role and any other info they hold

Who's name/role?

[chapcrap]

jesus cant you read at all chap there is no info from night 1 , i was tucked up nicely in my bed which part of every other night dont you understand.

can i say what my wc says or will i get mod killed?
the results will tell me there name /role and any other info they hold

Exactly, no info, so you are saying that it starts night 2. You keep contradicting yourself.

who said my power takes 2 nights to work ? i said it works everyother night.

I will say it again: You're explanation just doesn't add up.

We found scum for sure.

Chap...you can't be this dumb. However, you can be this scummy.

Seems like you're just pointing fingers at anyone who isn't SPART until something sticks... Good luck with that.

[SPARTACUS1974]

read my posts the info is there

[spiesr]

read my posts the info is there

You need to make things clear.

[SPARTACUS1974]

i have many times before i have made so clear that most people with even a small iq could understand . so stop skimming and read back all what i have said.

[everywhere116]

jesus cant you read at all chap there is no info from night 1 , i was tucked up nicely in my bed which part of every other night dont you understand.

can i say what my wc says or will i get mod killed?
the results will tell me there name /role and any other info they hold

Who's name/role?

His random target, if I'm interpreting this correctly.

@Sparticus You don't get people to believe you by posting contradicting information and then disparaging them for not understanding what you're saying and asking you to clarify things.

[chapcrap]

i have many times before i have made so clear that most people with even a small iq could understand . so stop skimming and read back all what i have said.

Good tactic. Call the people who are going to vote for you dumb after you contradict yourself and follow up with a claim that doesn't make any sense. It's not your fault. Leehar started you down this road and you can't come back from it.

[SPARTACUS1974]

what i have i contradicted? show me
and if they cant be bothered to go back and read then yes they are dumb in my eyes i really dont care so lynch me now then mafia can sit back laughing all the way while you keep killing your own now that is a great tactic by you well played

[dazza2008]

what i have i contradicted? show me
and if they cant be bothered to go back and read then yes they are dumb in my eyes i really dont care so lynch me now then mafia can sit back laughing all the way while you keep killing your own now that is a great tactic by you well played

I think the best think here is just to calm down. Answer each question 1 at a time that way everyone understands and can decide from there.

It is a fucking wierd role mate so there are obviously going to be asked a lot of questions. If you are "town" and want to help just settle doen and answer what was asked.

[SPARTACUS1974]

i have answered each question before but they cant be bothered to go back and read so i cant be bothered to answer if i say anymore about my role im getting close to a mod kill so i die anyway. all i get is what about night 1 , so what info do we get , who do you target i have answered each question over the last 10 pages or so .
all i get is the same again what about night 1 and again and again , then i get well this does not happen in the film he should have this role or that role he should not be in it or he cant do that its not right so he must be scum .

the only way to prove to the doubters is to die because no matter what i say they try a different angle even if i copied and pasted my pm they would say it was wrong even if the mod killed me they would still not believe because its not what happened in the film .
sorry for ranting but i will not keep answering the same questions over and over again.