Actors Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[BGtheBrain]

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[Mr. Squirrel]

I feel like I should come forward with a softclaim now, since it sort of relates to VS. My role has some killing abilities. I'm not a vig, but my action has the potential to kill. So far I haven't used it this game, but I'm not so sure how many killing roles strike would put in this game.

FOS victor until we get an official vote count.

JOAT, CPR Doctor, Inventor any others?

Scumbag

Sorry, yes Im still on that, but that was just a light hearted joke.

Could be bomb I guess. CPR doc wa the first thing that came to my mind though.

Vengeful townie also I guess

Its not a traditional role. It's kind of a shitty role and really only serves as a last-resort since it could potentially kill me too.

I'm seriously starting to get a lyncher vibe from you.

[BGtheBrain]

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[jonty125]

FOS BG for the disturbing image of Mr. S (me too getting the lyncher vibes)

[safariguy5]

Im trying to guess your role. I cant think of any more roles that have the option to kill.

It doesn't really matter what his role is Mr. Squirrel has claimed he hasn't used it yet. Suicide Bomber comes to mind if he claims it's pretty bad. You have to sacrifice yourself in order to kill someone.

I have seen it mafia aligned, but I've also seen it as a third party survivor role. Would explain why Mr. S hasn't used it yet because doing so would mean an autoloss.

[Victor Sullivan]

Jesus Christ, people! Let me speak before you all hop on the bandwagon! Look, look, spiesr already pointed out that my posts following the Night 1 scene are consistent with my claims:

first mafia game and I died night one. man. Thanks strike. GL all.

Oh wait! You're wildwilliam. Okay. Hm, well, that's a shame. I guess I take back what I said! If only I could sweep away my silly posts...

And the flavor of the Night 1 scene is consistent as well! You can't ignore flavor.

My role fits, my previous behavior fits, my name claim fits - what more evidence do you want??? And I'm running out of Lemon Pledge, too

Speaking of which, I'm not familiar with my name claim. Might he be associated with, um, cleaning, in some regard? Admittedly, I haven't been too good at being consistent with my PR, though strike seems to be lenient about it (thanks, sorry )

Let's look at the posts of players that have voted me, as I think a couple of them are at least suspicious (especially since the first three votes on my wagon were consecutive!):

You know what.... I was on the fence on this for a while, but if VS really did kill N1 and N2, then I agree that like someone said before, there is a possibility of 3 kills per night. That is a LOT for an 18 player game in my opinion. He could be telling the truth, but the fact that he didnt hold his fire for 1 night makes me think he is a anti-town killer. Either way, by whatever magic is going on at night, our role blockers and things are doing a great job nullifying mafia kills. Why don't we let them keep their information, and let them keep blocking them, and get rid of this potential anti-town killer?

We have 3 nights and a bunch of investigative roles as well, I am sure everyone has some information that will help us narrow things down if we get into a bind tomorrow. I say:
unvote vote VS

• Granted, he supports his vote, but it's weak compared to evidence to support my town-ness. Not only that, but I can't very well be a second SKer with that logic, now, can I? So, he's basically saying I'm mafia, though he continues to use the term "anti-town".
• Is rallying for my lynch, already asserting that I'm anti-town!

Agree, Vote Victor

was deciding whether or not to vote him but he seems a bit too trigger happy for someone who is at his rank.

• Blatant bandwagon, simply restating an abbreviated version of MoB's.

also he seems pretty quiet compared to the game i played with him before. he seemed to be avoiding talking in this game, so vote VS

• Okay, he adds "quietness", but I hardly consider that any solid reasoning to stand on. Essentially another bandwagoning vote.

I don't buy VS' claim.

A SK, mafia and vig in an 18 player game too much for me

And an experienced players generally don't go vigging every night

vote VS

• Restating MoB's reasoning again. Added the part of my being an experienced player yet vigging, which I already explained anyway.

*Sigh!*

-Sully

[safariguy5]

I am the town vigilante. I (somewhat accidentally) killed wildwilliam Night 1 and I killed Rodion Night 2. I won't disclose who I targeted Night 3 for obvious reasons.

Well, since you have decided to claim, will you through out your character name to complete it. Can you elaborate on how you sort of "accidentally" killed wildwilliam? Next, please provide some of your thought process behind your kill choices thus far. And finally, what are these obvious reasons that you won't tell us your night 3 target, as they aren't that obvious to me...

Well, his name was "wildwill hickok" in the player list (strike wolf apologized - it's all good, strike ), and I couldn't remember someone of that name posting, so I thought I might as well kill an inactive than no one at all. And yes, I am aware of the fopaux of vigging someone Night 1.

-Sully

So kill an inactive due to odd name in the signup thread? Weak logic to me, especially since this is user error more than anything. Flimsy excuse or evidence for me.

Also, you are reluctant to give us who you targeted last night and why. If you have a possible lead, why not let us hear it? This evasiveness paints you not as a town vig (who's been minimally helpful at best) but as some sort of SKer to me.

[new guy1]

he probably doesnt want to state who he targetted because then hes giving mafia info on who they shouldnt attack. because theres a reason they didnt die from the attack.

[spiesr]

he probably doesnt want to state who he targetted because then hes giving mafia info on who they shouldnt attack. because theres a reason they didnt die from the attack.

The reason his night 3 kill attempt was not successful is because he was roleblocked. Meanwhile, the mafia's own kill attempt failed, presumably due to either a doc save, or the target being bullet proof. But the only people who know who the mafia targeted last night are the mafia themselves. So, your statement is basically completely wrong.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Im trying to guess your role. I cant think of any more roles that have the option to kill.

Do you want my full claim? I will give it if enough people want it. The reason I only softclaimed is because it might be beneficial to town (however remotely) if I keep it a secret for now. The longer that the scum don't know about my abilities, the better the chances that they might be used.

Speaking of which, I'm not familiar with my name claim. Might he be associated with, um, cleaning, in some regard? Admittedly, I haven't been too good at being consistent with my PR, though strike seems to be lenient about it (thanks, sorry )

This seems a little odd to me. Granted, I didn't look back at your other posts yet (no time right now), but I don't ever remember any PR from you, or any other player for that matter. I feel like you are just making this up at this point to try to justify your claim. I know there are other games (such as my zelda game) where scum make up fake PRs to make them appear like a certain role. If you had been doing it the whole game, I wouldn't think anything of this, but having it come out now is extremely scummy to me.

[pancakemix]

First off, Travis Bickle? Town vig? Hell no. Bickle is a psychopath, not a vigilante. If he is a vig, he's overeager at best, and that just makes him dangerous.

Second, Victor's actions don't add up to being town actions, as others have stated. I don't like how you could "accidentally" vig someone N1. You just don't do anything unless, well, you're not a vig.

Third, what exactly are you trying to accomplish by pointing out everyone who's voted you? Don't say "I made a booboo and it's pretty bad" and then complain that people are voting you.

I'm not buying it. Vote VS

[safariguy5]

On the off chance that Sully indeed is a Vig, how useful is that role at this point in the game? Assuming he was being truthful about his kills, it's a spotty record at best. And I'm not seeing too many more opportunities for vig kills right now. I'd rather eliminate a possible nightkill on town now than have to deal with more bad kills in the future.

[spiesr]

Scouring through Victor's posts in this game the following six posts contain vague references to cleaning that could be part of this PR that Sully is now vaguely claiming. These are 6 of the 22 posts he made after the game began, and before he stated that he has a PR.

Eyuck, why did it have to be so bloody? Vote edocsil - clean it up! These directors' bodies aren't going to just get up and leave. Last time I checked, we weren't filming the next George Romero movie.

EBWOP: Conzocool is kind of a newb, so I think I can let him off the hook. Next time, though, you better watch it, or else I'll take you out with the garbage

Wait a minute - WIldWilly was an inactive! What mafia in their right mind would off an inactive? I think I'm going to put my money on a vig or SK. *shudders* Can we get a stage crew to haul this body away? Jesus...

first mafia game and I died night one. man. Thanks strike. GL all.

Oh wait! You're wildwilliam. Okay. Hm, well, that's a shame. I guess I take back what I said! If only I could sweep away my silly posts...

*Wipes off edocsil's makeup, tosses him in the dumpster, then washes his wands*
Well, it's not mafia, but scum all the same! Hopefully the night will be just as successful. Fingers crossed, pupils dilated, and Swiffers swept.

Ok, I'll be serious from here on out. Sorry, it's in my nature.

Relax, Conzocool, someone just simply took you too seriously when he should have.

Hello everyone!
I am sorry, but I request being replaced. I'm not sure if I'll have time to play this game. Sorry strike
Have fun

I think nag should bother frenchie to come and replace him.

Haha, yeah. Nagerous been slackin' on laundry duty. I think drunkmonkey's still wearing the same pair of boxers he soiled himself in earlier.

I haven't seen Taxi Driver, and apparently neither has Victor, so can someone with more knowledge and less crazy than me let me know if this PR would make any amount of sense for this character?

[strike wolf]

Vote Count

Bgthebrain
blake
Zimmah
Mr. Squirrel (1)-Bgthebrain
Jonty
drunkmonkey
victor sullivan (6)-safariguy, mob, drake, new guy, jonty, Pancake
newguy
spiesr
mob deadly
pancakemix
drake 259
safariguy
No lynch

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Victor is at L-1.

[new guy1]

before someone comes and quick lynches unvote VS... just until im satisfied that hes really bad.

[drunkmonkey]

I'm still not sold. VS is scum at worst, and an overeager vig who's already killed a cop and refusing to give reasons behind his other kills at best. I'm pretty convinced of the former.

vote VS

[new guy1]

again, i will wait till VS can make one last appeal before i drop the hammer... who knows, might be able to turn us around. VS, i would still like to know why you dont want to say your 3rd target. i mean, the only reason i could think of is your role prohibits you from saying anything about victims that didnt die... besides that im pretty sure your as close to death as your gonna get, so it doesnt really matter if you tell us who your 3rd night target was... i mean according to half the people wanting to lynch you, they're main arguement is that withheld info.

[zimmah]

well, i'm not sure, i wouldn't really expect such trigger-happy shots from sully. even IF he is vig, i'd rather just lynch him, because he just hurted town more then he helped us.

[new guy1]

well i want him to be able to make a last appeal... theres still tons of time left so theres no point in lynching with so much time till the deadline.

[new guy1]

but if he doesnt appeal in the next 12 hours im gonna be on at school so i WILL drop the hammer unless someone else has spoken up for him. as far as im concerned 12 hours is long enough for him to respond.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Scouring through Victor's posts in this game the following six posts contain vague references to cleaning that could be part of this PR that Sully is now vaguely claiming. These are 6 of the 22 posts he made after the game began, and before he stated that he has a PR.

Eyuck, why did it have to be so bloody? Vote edocsil - clean it up! These directors' bodies aren't going to just get up and leave. Last time I checked, we weren't filming the next George Romero movie.

EBWOP: Conzocool is kind of a newb, so I think I can let him off the hook. Next time, though, you better watch it, or else I'll take you out with the garbage

Wait a minute - WIldWilly was an inactive! What mafia in their right mind would off an inactive? I think I'm going to put my money on a vig or SK. *shudders* Can we get a stage crew to haul this body away? Jesus...

first mafia game and I died night one. man. Thanks strike. GL all.

Oh wait! You're wildwilliam. Okay. Hm, well, that's a shame. I guess I take back what I said! If only I could sweep away my silly posts...

*Wipes off edocsil's makeup, tosses him in the dumpster, then washes his wands*
Well, it's not mafia, but scum all the same! Hopefully the night will be just as successful. Fingers crossed, pupils dilated, and Swiffers swept.

Ok, I'll be serious from here on out. Sorry, it's in my nature.

Relax, Conzocool, someone just simply took you too seriously when he should have.

Hello everyone!
I am sorry, but I request being replaced. I'm not sure if I'll have time to play this game. Sorry strike
Have fun

I think nag should bother frenchie to come and replace him.

Haha, yeah. Nagerous been slackin' on laundry duty. I think drunkmonkey's still wearing the same pair of boxers he soiled himself in earlier.

I haven't seen Taxi Driver, and apparently neither has Victor, so can someone with more knowledge and less crazy than me let me know if this PR would make any amount of sense for this character?

Hm, I hadn't noticed these before. Just forget that last post I made about him then.

[safariguy5]

First off, Travis Bickle? Town vig? Hell no. Bickle is a psychopath, not a vigilante. If he is a vig, he's overeager at best, and that just makes him dangerous.

Second, Victor's actions don't add up to being town actions, as others have stated. I don't like how you could "accidentally" vig someone N1. You just don't do anything unless, well, you're not a vig.

Third, what exactly are you trying to accomplish by pointing out everyone who's voted you? Don't say "I made a booboo and it's pretty bad" and then complain that people are voting you.

I'm not buying it. Vote VS

A little flavor for those who haven't seen the movie.

[Victor Sullivan]

I am the town vigilante. I (somewhat accidentally) killed wildwilliam Night 1 and I killed Rodion Night 2. I won't disclose who I targeted Night 3 for obvious reasons.

Well, since you have decided to claim, will you through out your character name to complete it. Can you elaborate on how you sort of "accidentally" killed wildwilliam? Next, please provide some of your thought process behind your kill choices thus far. And finally, what are these obvious reasons that you won't tell us your night 3 target, as they aren't that obvious to me...

Well, his name was "wildwill hickok" in the player list (strike wolf apologized - it's all good, strike ), and I couldn't remember someone of that name posting, so I thought I might as well kill an inactive than no one at all. And yes, I am aware of the fopaux of vigging someone Night 1.

-Sully

So kill an inactive due to odd name in the signup thread? Weak logic to me, especially since this is user error more than anything. Flimsy excuse or evidence for me.

What do you want me to say? I killed "wildwill hickok" because I thought it would be good to off an inactive (later realizing it was wildwilliam and not an inactive).

Also, you are reluctant to give us who you targeted last night and why. If you have a possible lead, why not let us hear it? This evasiveness paints you not as a town vig (who's been minimally helpful at best) but as some sort of SKer to me.

Fine. I targeted MoB Deadly for roughly the same reason I did Rodion: suspicious behavior regarding soundman's bandwagon (in the case of Rodion, bullshit reasoning for voting him after he claimed watcher. I would have targeted BG had he not claimed, as his vote on soundman struck me as scummy, too). In the case of MoB, he unvoted, but it seemed to me like a way to push the bandwagon (before he unvoted), then not put any pressure on him later when soundman came up town (but vote if he had to, as he said he'd have been back in a couple hours). And soundman was only at L-2 (not L-1), so it really wasn't necessary for him to unvote. Idk, the reasoning isn't solid, but today's scummy behavior of his has strengthened my suspicions.

And how am I being evasive? What do you expect me to be? How do you expect me to act, supposing you were to believe that I was a vig? Honestly, I can do nothing but be defensive in such a situation!

First off, Travis Bickle? Town vig? Hell no. Bickle is a psychopath, not a vigilante. If he is a vig, he's overeager at best, and that just makes him dangerous.

Perhaps it's that I'm a psychopath that's why my PR is cleaning-related?

Second, Victor's actions don't add up to being town actions, as others have stated. I don't like how you could "accidentally" vig someone N1. You just don't do anything unless, well, you're not a vig.

Well, excuuuuuse me. I didn't think it was going to bite me in the ass that bad.

Third, what exactly are you trying to accomplish by pointing out everyone who's voted you? Don't say "I made a booboo and it's pretty bad" and then complain that people are voting you.

I'm saying there is evidence to support my claims (you can look at previous posts for this). You aren't being very reasonable, PCM, while I have been. I only expect reciprocation. What I'm saying is three consecutive bandwagoning posts has to add up to scumminess somewhere. If you'll notice, I haven't voted a single one of them, because I want to deal with the subject at hand: me. I don't mind defending myself, just give me a logical ear to speak to.

On the off chance that Sully indeed is a Vig, how useful is that role at this point in the game? Assuming he was being truthful about his kills, it's a spotty record at best. And I'm not seeing too many more opportunities for vig kills right now. I'd rather eliminate a possible nightkill on town now than have to deal with more bad kills in the future.

Really? Really? Come on, now, safari. If it pleases you, I can just not kill anyone tonight. That could even be a way for you to test my claim. I don't care. At least I add to the number of town.

-Sully

[Victor Sullivan]

I'd like if we could discuss things a bit more before anyone gets hammer-happy, if one of you wouldn't mind...

-Sully

[new guy1]

well with your arguement, im definatly not the one hammering as this obviously has more discussion to dig into. im glad i unvoted so you didnt get hammered before your arguement. and yes i agree, take some pressure off the guy, in case someone wants to silence him.