Actors Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[safariguy5]

I could PM strike for confirmation, but I'm pretty sure I've been saving BG every night. It shouldn't matter though, even if I did correctly protect someone, I would have died and the kill still would have happened. It specifically says in my role PM that I will die if my protected target dies.

[strike wolf]

Vote Count

Bgthebrain
blake
Zimmah
Mr. Squirrel (1)-Bgthebrain
Jonty
drunkmonkey
victor sullivan (1)-safariguy
newguy
spiesr
mob deadly
pancakemix
drake 259
safariguy
No lynch

With 13 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

[drake_259]

To clear this up i am not a roleblocker

[zimmah]

To clear this up i am not a roleblocker

then i guess VS is telling the truth. and i don't really think you really have a harmful role either, as it seems you did nothing bad to victor, and you didn't try to frame victor even in your situation. since i think drunk is just a VT, that leaves us with:

Blakebowling
Newguy1
Shaggydan / mr. Squirrel
Mob Deadly
Sg7 / Pancakemix
Spiesr
Gillipig / Jonty

in that group we probably have 2 roleblockers (1 good, 1 bad?) a few scum, and some unknown roles. maybe some kind of protective role, and probably some kind of commuter.

[safariguy5]

To clear this up i am not a roleblocker

then i guess VS is telling the truth. and i don't really think you really have a harmful role either, as it seems you did nothing bad to victor, and you didn't try to frame victor even in your situation. since i think drunk is just a VT, that leaves us with:

Blakebowling
Newguy1
Shaggydan / mr. Squirrel
Mob Deadly
Sg7 / Pancakemix
Spiesr
Gillipig / Jonty

in that group we probably have 2 roleblockers (1 good, 1 bad?) a few scum, and some unknown roles. maybe some kind of protective role, and probably some kind of commuter.

It's possible that we may have a situation where there are more than one SKer in addition to mafia. Strike has modded that type of game (Dexter Mafia) and the game size is large enough to support multiple SKers.

Sully has either killed or attempted a kill every single night. He claims he's aware of the faux pas of vigging Night 1, but he did it anyways. Town Vig is a very common fakeclaim for an SKer, and with a theme this large, it's probably quite easy to fakeclaim some sort of vig role.

I'm unconvinced that he's a town vig because I really see no rhyme or reason for the people he picked to kill. That and the fact that he's killed or attempted a kill every night makes me believe he's fakeclaiming a vig role.

[drake_259]

I cant see VS being a SK, the bigger question is could he be scum trying to claim vig?

[MoB Deadly]

You know what.... I was on the fence on this for a while, but if VS really did kill N1 and N2, then I agree that like someone said before, there is a possibility of 3 kills per night. That is a LOT for an 18 player game in my opinion. He could be telling the truth, but the fact that he didnt hold his fire for 1 night makes me think he is a anti-town killer. Either way, by whatever magic is going on at night, our role blockers and things are doing a great job nullifying mafia kills. Why don't we let them keep their information, and let them keep blocking them, and get rid of this potential anti-town killer?

We have 3 nights and a bunch of investigative roles as well, I am sure everyone has some information that will help us narrow things down if we get into a bind tomorrow. I say:
unvote vote VS

[drake_259]

Agree, Vote Victor

was deciding whether or not to vote him but he seems a bit too trigger happy for someone who is at his rank.

[new guy1]

also he seems pretty quiet compared to the game i played with him before. he seemed to be avoiding talking in this game, so vote VS

[MoB Deadly]

Careful, lets not speedlynch, lets see if anyone has any other info to say about VS. He is at L-3 I think

[new guy1]

i agree, if i see a speed lynch coming on i will back off long enough for him to make a better case or for someone to make a case, if that makes sense...

[BGtheBrain]

****

[MoB Deadly]

Yeah I guess that is a point... lmao...

I only had 2 constant killers though.
1 GF
1 SK

The arson had a delay as he had to douse the players in gasoline 1 by 1
and the vigi only had 2 shots.

I guess with another 7 players 3 constant killers is not bad at all, I have just honestly not seen more than 1 SK in a game.


This game does have a lack of vanilla in it too, this just fuels the case for VS.

[drunkmonkey]

I'm torn. I keep going back to this line from the scene:

"Excuse me" He said drawing her attention as she jumped just a bit dropping her keys and turned around. It was a stupid reaction she had faced worse before. She thought the man looked vaguely familiar for a moment but shook off that thought. She hadn't met him before.

It caught my attention at the time, and after Sully's claim, it makes sense. Travis Bickle is also the definition of vigilante. I assumed fakeclaims would probably be same actor, different role, and that's what we saw from edoc's claim. Deniro has played plenty of bad guys, but none have been in movies with Foster. Maybe I'm reading too much into flavor; I don't know.

OTOH, he does seem a bit trigger-happy. He already killed the cop, and we don't know his N3 target. It's likely he got lucky with Rodion. He may be hurting us more than helping, so I wouldn't be completely opposed to a lynch. However, I think we should wait until later in the day, and try to get some more information first.

(I accidentally edited a post instead of quoting. I've PM'd strike about it. This post is an elaboration of the last one, which basically agreed with spiesr on reading the flavor of the N1 scene.)

[jonty125]

I don't buy VS' claim.

A SK, mafia and vig in an 18 player game too much for me

And an experienced players generally don't go vigging every night

[color#FF0000]vote VS[/color]

[jonty125]

I don't buy VS' claim.

A SK, mafia and vig in an 18 player game too much for me

And an experienced players generally don't go vigging every night

vote VS

OH ****

[MoB Deadly]

(I accidentally edited a post instead of quoting. I've PM'd strike about it. This post is an elaboration of the last one, which basically agreed with spiesr on reading the flavor of the N1 scene.)

SOMEONES GETTIN MODKILLED!! Just kidding haha

[safariguy5]

I don't buy VS' claim.

A SK, mafia and vig in an 18 player game too much for me

And an experienced players generally don't go vigging every night

vote VS

OH ****

A game this size, I could definitely see all 3 in a game. That's not the issue for me. My issue is that Sully ADMITS that it's a bad idea to vig someone night 1 but he does it anyways. If you know doing something is bad but you still do it, then you're not acting in the best interests for town. It wasn't even a case of him bringing forth some posts and saying "this is why I thought this person was mafia, but I was wrong". There was zero justification for his actions, which smells more like SKer than vig to me.

[drunkmonkey]

After thinking about this more, I've decided there's too much weighing against him to base this on flavor. He's a gangster in most of his famous roles (Godfather II, Goodfellas, Heat), and Bickle could just be a good fakeclaim. Each night has described 2 kill attempts, whether they were successful or not. Why would a 3rd be simply ignored? It's too easy for him to claim the SK's kill of Rodion to gain credibility.

I'll let the day play out a little more, but I'm ready to cast my vote for VS.

[spiesr]

I am the town vigilante. I (somewhat accidentally) killed wildwilliam Night 1 and I killed Rodion Night 2. I won't disclose who I targeted Night 3 for obvious reasons.

Well, since you have decided to claim, will you through out your character name to complete it. Can you elaborate on how you sort of "accidentally" killed wildwilliam? Next, please provide some of your thought process behind your kill choices thus far. And finally, what are these obvious reasons that you won't tell us your night 3 target, as they aren't that obvious to me...

Victor, I still want to know what the reasons are that you can't tell us who you targeted last night.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I feel like I should come forward with a softclaim now, since it sort of relates to VS. My role has some killing abilities. I'm not a vig, but my action has the potential to kill. So far I haven't used it this game, but I'm not so sure how many killing roles strike would put in this game.

FOS victor until we get an official vote count.

[jonty125]

I feel like I should come forward with a softclaim now, since it sort of relates to VS. My role has some killing abilities. I'm not a vig, but my action has the potential to kill. So far I haven't used it this game, but I'm not so sure how many killing roles strike would put in this game.

FOS victor until we get an official vote count.

JOAT, CPR Doctor, Inventor any others?

[BGtheBrain]

****

[Mr. Squirrel]

I feel like I should come forward with a softclaim now, since it sort of relates to VS. My role has some killing abilities. I'm not a vig, but my action has the potential to kill. So far I haven't used it this game, but I'm not so sure how many killing roles strike would put in this game.

FOS victor until we get an official vote count.

JOAT, CPR Doctor, Inventor any others?

Scumbag

Sorry, yes Im still on that, but that was just a light hearted joke.

Could be bomb I guess. CPR doc wa the first thing that came to my mind though.

Vengeful townie also I guess

Its not a traditional role. It's kind of a shitty role and really only serves as a last-resort since it could potentially kill me too.

[jonty125]

I feel like I should come forward with a softclaim now, since it sort of relates to VS. My role has some killing abilities. I'm not a vig, but my action has the potential to kill. So far I haven't used it this game, but I'm not so sure how many killing roles strike would put in this game.

FOS victor until we get an official vote count.

JOAT, CPR Doctor, Inventor any others?

Scumbag

Sorry, yes Im still on that, but that was just a light hearted joke.

Could be bomb I guess. CPR doc wa the first thing that came to my mind though.

Vengeful townie also I guess

Nah, Bomb is activated against the bomb's will & a Vengeful Townie is someone who has a one-shot kill when they are lynched.