Crazys Superhero Mafia! Game Over! Villains Win!

[jgordon1111]

skill you may not be an old hand at this but dont forget we have been in games together before remember when you were the machine that went crazy looking for leehar I believe. So your either lying about missing it or your skimming for a reason.

But its odd both you and hippo kept missing vital stuff that could have lead to different outcomes entirely.

Fastposted by clever I think.

Leehar if you and clever and / would be kind enough to go back to page 38 and read from there to here carefully I would appreciate it thanks.

I think skill and hippo are now trying to overload whats been written so everyone skims,please dont. Start with hippo calling out my character or right before when the omgus started.

I think whether we win or not depends on you guys looking at these pages carefully

[Some7hingCLEVER]

skill you may not be an old hand at this but dont forget we have been in games together before remember when you were the machine that went crazy looking for leehar I believe. So your either lying about missing it or your skimming for a reason.

But its odd both you and hippo kept missing vital stuff that could have lead to different outcomes entirely.

Fastposted by clever I think.

Leehar if you and clever and / would be kind enough to go back to page 38 and read from there to here carefully I would appreciate it thanks.

I think skill and hippo are now trying to overload whats been written so everyone skims,please dont. Start with hippo calling out my character or right before when the omgus started.

I think whether we win or not depends on you guys looking at these pages carefully

lol i have read those pages. over and over again as to try and catch the two mafia who have eluded us so well. and i came up with three names who i honestly believe to be scummyer than the rest.

[crazymilkshake5]

Offical Vote Count

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Skillfulsniper33-L3 (some7hingCLEVER)
jgordon1111-L2 (Thehippo8, Skillfulsniper)
Thehippo8-L3 (jgordon1111)

[thehippo8]

Yes the rest of us thought SG7 was scum,but the difference is you let all of us believe he killed betiko,when you knew he didnt. If we had known that you know it would have been you or skill on the line so you ooopsied seeing what /asked for.

This is the central basis of your case against me and skill. You are still missing what I have repeatedly said: I had no idea whether SG killed betico or not at the time of SG's lynch any more than you knew. Point is, we didn't know. I repeat, a tracker can only follow where peoploe go - we are not watchers. Your attack on me and skill on this basis seems strange as it would be more logical for the attack to be on me and / as I am a tracker and / claims to be a tracker. Note that /'s claim hasn't been proved yet as we need another night to do that. But I have no reason to doubt / at this stage. Moreover, you are only pairing me with skill on your central claim because we have explained we are masoned. So, frankly, I fail to see your logic.

@ Leehar - Yes, I claim third party. The common threads only appear to lead to me because that is how jg is painting it - but see my comments to jg in this post. I agree two tracker's is strange - but then / hasn't been confirmed (although I don't doubt it). It will be interesting to hear what the others say in response to your posting as your comments are otherwise directed to them. I add, though, that if / is a tracker then clever not going anywhere doesn't prove clever to be town as there was no kill last night.

@ Clever - you suggest no-one has flipped mafia. But we actually don't know whether SG7 (wanderer) was mafia or not because the alignment is not stated in the kill (see page 36). Also, you are making the same mistake as jg in suggesting I knew something I didn't!!

[jgordon1111]

Yes the rest of us thought SG7 was scum,but the difference is you let all of us believe he killed betiko,when you knew he didnt. If we had known that you know it would have been you or skill on the line so you ooopsied seeing what /asked for.

This is the central basis of your case against me and skill. You are still missing what I have repeatedly said: I had no idea whether SG killed betico or not at the time of SG's lynch any more than you knew. Point is, we didn't know. I repeat, a tracker can only follow where peoploe go - we are not watchers. Your attack on me and skill on this basis seems strange as it would be more logical for the attack to be on me and / as I am a tracker and / claims to be a tracker. Note that /'s claim hasn't been proved yet as we need another night to do that. But I have no reason to doubt / at this stage. Moreover, you are only pairing me with skill on your central claim because we have explained we are masoned. So, frankly, I fail to see your logic.

@ Leehar - Yes, I claim third party. The common threads only appear to lead to me because that is how jg is painting it - but see my comments to jg in this post. I agree two tracker's is strange - but then / hasn't been confirmed (although I don't doubt it). It will be interesting to hear what the others say in response to your posting as your comments are otherwise directed to them. I add, though, that if / is a tracker then clever not going anywhere doesn't prove clever to be town as there was no kill last night.

@ Clever - you suggest no-one has flipped mafia. But we actually don't know whether SG7 (wanderer) was mafia or not because the alignment is not stated in the kill (see page 36). Also, you are making the same mistake as jg in suggesting I knew something I didn't!!

Yes you being masoned to 2 face is my basis for believeing you are mafia. that is logical beings skill covers his (accidental kill"s) with dont come near me. Are you kidding me,thats a good ploy there,(There was no kill last night) like ooopsie I forgot our watcher died. Not likely.

As I already said your story has more holes than swiss cheese keep going, I dont think you can back your way out of this.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Yes the rest of us thought SG7 was scum,but the difference is you let all of us believe he killed betiko,when you knew he didnt. If we had known that you know it would have been you or skill on the line so you ooopsied seeing what /asked for.

This is the central basis of your case against me and skill. You are still missing what I have repeatedly said: I had no idea whether SG killed betico or not at the time of SG's lynch any more than you knew. Point is, we didn't know. I repeat, a tracker can only follow where peoploe go - we are not watchers. Your attack on me and skill on this basis seems strange as it would be more logical for the attack to be on me and / as I am a tracker and / claims to be a tracker. Note that /'s claim hasn't been proved yet as we need another night to do that. But I have no reason to doubt / at this stage. Moreover, you are only pairing me with skill on your central claim because we have explained we are masoned. So, frankly, I fail to see your logic.

@ Leehar - Yes, I claim third party. The common threads only appear to lead to me because that is how jg is painting it - but see my comments to jg in this post. I agree two tracker's is strange - but then / hasn't been confirmed (although I don't doubt it). It will be interesting to hear what the others say in response to your posting as your comments are otherwise directed to them. I add, though, that if / is a tracker then clever not going anywhere doesn't prove clever to be town as there was no kill last night.

@ Clever - you suggest no-one has flipped mafia. But we actually don't know whether SG7 (wanderer) was mafia or not because the alignment is not stated in the kill (see page 36). Also, you are making the same mistake as jg in suggesting I knew something I didn't!!

the fact is that we dont know if he was or not. and if he was it would have been stated he was mafia in red as town is blue and mafia is red and he is purple (look at page one) which was most likely done on purpose. so we assume he is neither. and you guys knew enough to stop him from getting lynched you knew there was a possibility that he didnt do it. i understand your a tracker and i know how it works but i dont see your point. you had proof that he may or may not have done it yet you sat back and let him get lynched. you say im missing your point but im not. you are missing mine. if there was a chance he was town you should have stepped in and helped him cause at that moment he didnt even know. fact is you guys are the only ones who could help him and you didnt which in my books is the scummiest of all acts.

and i dont care that your massoned. the fact you are means yes if one of you is scum the other most likely will be but maybe not. thats not why im not connecting you on that basis. go back and check my list of cases on you guys. they are seperate i have a case on you and a case on him. so i have not connected you i have made two DIFFERENT cases not one against both of you. i cant agree that you guys knew that he did or did not make the kill. the fact is that you guys knew it was possible he did not make the kill. beyond a reasonable doubt everyone was so intent that he did it and you guys knew the chances he did were less then said. so for that is the basis on your case.

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I'm thinking about it, on one hand hippo is definitely not lying about being a tracker, and skill is definitely not lying about being two-face, hippo was at least truthful enough to never claim he was town himself.
A PGO role is OP for mafia, but a half PGO, I'm not sure
The main problem I have with them at this point is that they fail to acknowledge day three's death scene,

*Ting*

As one hero catches with a glimpse of his eye something shinny flying in the air, it lands in the senders hand.

"You sir, are one unlucky man." Said one

"What are you talking abou..." said the other

*bang*

When the other heroes hear this, they all come rushing.

"What happened here!?" said the Leader.

"I don't know, I just found him here. dead."

"I can tell you one thing though, This was no act of nature." The leader proclaimed.

"Well no freaking duh, Bullets aren't natural!"

why do you keep saying it was a possibility that shield killed someone? did you honestly thing that shield is coincidentally a man who ritualistically flips shiny object in the air before shooting someone?

They, to me proves their group obviously cares nothing for town, which make me doubt their alignment.


On the other hand there is jgordon, who I believe to be one of the more skilled and reasonable players here, he has thus far acted logically and like town should act, but his role claim makes my brain sad every time I think of it, I personally consider The Punisher is a hero, an awesome one at that. But I don't understand at all why he would be a bodygaurd, sure he has a bulletproof vest, but when does he ever directly protect people? Every problem the punisher solves is solved pretty much the same way, kill it awesomely. I suppose I might be able to put it under reasonable doubt the same way I'm Spider-man and not a role-blocker despite having iconic web shooters.
The other problem with the claim lays with only protecting against bullets, which so far we may believe only skill possesses, assuming leerhar is truthful about being captain America and having no action, assuming those who claimed actions are truthful, plus one vanilla townie, knowing hippo or potentially other scum and skill himself of course wouldn't target twoface, 8 or 7 townies have a 1/11 chance of targeting skill, a 50% chance of this being fatal, and for the punisher to be useful he must target the same 1/11 person who by chance targeted the unknown PGO and then dies for his trouble, he may as well just be vanilla...

[thehippo8]

Okay ... so I've been thinking.

I can see how you guys are stacking it up and that I have little to say other than you are wrong. My loyalty to my masoned partner seemed to this point to go unquestionable.

But a penny may have dropped for me. Before I go any further on this, I have to ask skill one question.

Skill, why have you never spoken to me at night?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Okay ... so I've been thinking.

I can see how you guys are stacking it up and that I have little to say other than you are wrong. My loyalty to my masoned partner seemed to this point to go unquestionable.

But a penny may have dropped for me. Before I go any further on this, I have to ask skill one question.

Skill, why have you never spoken to me at night?

lol thats odd.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Okay ... so I've been thinking.

I can see how you guys are stacking it up and that I have little to say other than you are wrong. My loyalty to my masoned partner seemed to this point to go unquestionable.

But a penny may have dropped for me. Before I go any further on this, I have to ask skill one question.

Skill, why have you never spoken to me at night?

lol thats odd.

sorry for the double post but that makes me want to ask a question. you say he never spoke to you? well did you ever send him a PM or did you guys just stay quite. this could possibly be a ploy to make it seem like they didnt try to plan anything.

just a thought

[jgordon1111]

thank you for taking the time to read and try reason out logically whats been going on.

As for my role it was a surprise to me that I was a protector. But in the light of the punisher going after the mob and criminals he is in essence protecting the innocent.

I think there was a doc. a watcher.a legit tracker. myself as protector.clever with his suit of armour. betiko the investigator. And I am not asking but I believe capt america has his shield for a reason.

So those were the power roles for town. I stop bullets. I believe clevers suit of armour will stop bullets. and the capt sheild will also I believe.

that was three of us put into the game to counter 2 face.

The watcher the investigator and you / were to find him and his partner. thats why safari says this game is balanced when hippo apparentley has a special role of tracker and killer. The night crawlers specialty was to teleport himself or others from one place to the other. 2 face has his coin ting why doesnt nightcrawler have his specialty and that would make him the ninja killer to boot.

Fast posted by hippo and clever

Hippo you have a mason partner that cant communicate with you?
Are you really saying that?

I feel that this is the solution to betikos death,NG1's death of the double team in case I was guarding him. and jak's death to detract everyones suspicion from hippo when betiko died. that double kill made it look like SG7 did it and an unknown took out jak.
but it is just the two of them all along another reason safari balanced the game only 2 mafia no third parties at all.

[jgordon1111]

sorry for the double post but I put my questions for hippo in above the last statement I had already written when I saw his post.

I thought mason partners were always able to communicate?
have I missed something on mason partners?

[thehippo8]

thank you for taking the time to read and try reason out logically whats been going on.

As for my role it was a surprise to me that I was a protector. But in the light of the punisher going after the mob and criminals he is in essence protecting the innocent.

I think there was a doc. a watcher.a legit tracker. myself as protector.clever with his suit of armour. betiko the investigator. And I am not asking but I believe capt america has his shield for a reason.

So those were the power roles for town. I stop bullets. I believe clevers suit of armour will stop bullets. and the capt sheild will also I believe.

that was three of us put into the game to counter 2 face.

The watcher the investigator and you / were to find him and his partner. thats why safari says this game is balanced when hippo apparentley has a special role of tracker and killer. The night crawlers specialty was to teleport himself or others from one place to the other. 2 face has his coin ting why doesnt nightcrawler have his specialty and that would make him the ninja killer to boot.

Fast posted by hippo and clever

Hippo you have a mason partner that cant communicate with you?
Are you really saying that?

I feel that this is the solution to betikos death,NG1's death of the double team in case I was guarding him. and jak's death to detract everyones suspicion from hippo when betiko died. that double kill made it look like SG7 did it and an unknown took out jak.
but it is just the two of them all along another reason safari balanced the game only 2 mafia no third parties at all.

Interesting theory. If what you are saying is correct then / had me hoodwinked. I am definitely a third party tracker masoned with 2 face. If you are right that there is only one tracker then that's me and / must be scum.

As to your question about us not being able to talk at night: no, we can - we just havn't. In fact I recently sent the mod a question about that because this is the first time that I have been a mason and only just looked up more info on mason's and found out that I can talk at night. I felt rather stupid about that, but I was never told I could and wondered whether the mod had put in a feature that we couldn't talk. I was corrected that we could talk. I had not tried any of the prior nights as I was unaware that I could. I thought it would be a breach of the rules to PM another player without express direction from the mod. But one would assume that skill knew he could contact me and simply chose not to. Now if skill was mafia he was probably delighted I was this stupid because what could he say to me if he is mafia? Silence suited him to the ground. So, I'm going to accept your theories jg (apart from your theories about me and no third parties) and ... unvote vote skill

[Some7hingCLEVER]

thank you for taking the time to read and try reason out logically whats been going on.

As for my role it was a surprise to me that I was a protector. But in the light of the punisher going after the mob and criminals he is in essence protecting the innocent.

I think there was a doc. a watcher.a legit tracker. myself as protector.clever with his suit of armour. betiko the investigator. And I am not asking but I believe capt america has his shield for a reason.

So those were the power roles for town. I stop bullets. I believe clevers suit of armour will stop bullets. and the capt sheild will also I believe.

that was three of us put into the game to counter 2 face.

The watcher the investigator and you / were to find him and his partner. thats why safari says this game is balanced when hippo apparentley has a special role of tracker and killer. The night crawlers specialty was to teleport himself or others from one place to the other. 2 face has his coin ting why doesnt nightcrawler have his specialty and that would make him the ninja killer to boot.

Fast posted by hippo and clever

Hippo you have a mason partner that cant communicate with you?
Are you really saying that?

I feel that this is the solution to betikos death,NG1's death of the double team in case I was guarding him. and jak's death to detract everyones suspicion from hippo when betiko died. that double kill made it look like SG7 did it and an unknown took out jak.
but it is just the two of them all along another reason safari balanced the game only 2 mafia no third parties at all.

i just thought of this last paragraph like two minutes ago lol. well the last sentence , agreed there may or may not be a third party but it would have to be a cult. or there would be a fourth party cause its agreed sg7 was not town. nor mafia so either third party and i feel like everyone that would be in a third party would know about the others in there third party. so another question.

was sg7 part of your third party?

fastposted
glad your finally seeing it

[thehippo8]

No, I'm only masoned to skill. I have no connection with SG7.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

woah nobody else vote he is at l-1
i do believe he is mafia but lets let him talk for one last chance (lol oooo the irony)

fastposted
ok well then im lost cause im sure there would never be a fourth party

[crazymilkshake5]

Offical Vote Count

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Skillfulsniper33-L2 (some7hingCLEVER, TheHippo8)
jgordon1111-L3 (Skillfulsniper)
Thehippo8-L3 (jgordon1111)

[thehippo8]

woah nobody else vote he is at l-1
i do believe he is mafia but lets let him talk for one last chance (lol oooo the irony)

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ok well then im lost cause im sure there would never be a fourth party

Only other option is that SG7 was mafia!

[Some7hingCLEVER]

woah nobody else vote he is at l-1
i do believe he is mafia but lets let him talk for one last chance (lol oooo the irony)

fastposted
ok well then im lost cause im sure there would never be a fourth party

Only other option is that SG7 was mafia!

ok take it back.. he is not at l-1 jg had removed his vote. but if he was mafia dont you think he would have been in red just like betico role was

[thehippo8]

woah nobody else vote he is at l-1
i do believe he is mafia but lets let him talk for one last chance (lol oooo the irony)

fastposted
ok well then im lost cause im sure there would never be a fourth party

Only other option is that SG7 was mafia!

ok take it back.. he is not at l-1 jg had removed his vote. but if he was mafia dont you think he would have been in red just like betico role was

The red part of Betico denoted his insane status ... otherwise he was town. Freezie must have used the other colour to denote mafia?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

woah nobody else vote he is at l-1
i do believe he is mafia but lets let him talk for one last chance (lol oooo the irony)

fastposted
ok well then im lost cause im sure there would never be a fourth party

Only other option is that SG7 was mafia!

ok take it back.. he is not at l-1 jg had removed his vote. but if he was mafia dont you think he would have been in red just like betico role was

The red part of Betico denoted his insane status ... otherwise he was town. Freezie must have used the other colour to denote mafia?

crazy is the mod lol
and i guess you may be right lol well then were not at lylo if we get skill as mafia we will win. but if he is town or third party we will have another day since there wont be a random killing. ok i feel alot safer about this lynch nowl

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I'm sorry I didn't use my action to it's best potential last night, that's my bad, but you already confirmed I didn't kill anyone at least hippo, so tell me exactly who to track and I'll do it, between the two trackers we can cover much potentially.

[thehippo8]

I'm sorry I didn't use my action to it's best potential last night, that's my bad, but you already confirmed I didn't kill anyone at least hippo, so tell me exactly who to track and I'll do it, between the two trackers we can cover much potentially.

You track me and I'll tell you whether you get it right or not! That's the only way, that's how you cleared me!

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I'm sorry I didn't use my action to it's best potential last night, that's my bad, but you already confirmed I didn't kill anyone at least hippo, so tell me exactly who to track and I'll do it, between the two trackers we can cover much potentially.

its fine apparently my post saying i couldnt do anything last night was overlooked by all lol
but yes it looks like either way we will make it to day 5! at least this way we have a good chance to find scum (if skill is not scum)

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i agree at first it didnt look like a good idea but now i see it as our only way out of this mess

[thehippo8]

So that decided, how long do we wait for skill?