H.E. Mafia, Game Over, Town Prevails. [archive plox]

[MoB Deadly]

catching up from page 36

[safariguy5]

Is that a lynch?
Cause I'd hate to see a no lynch after all this work
So unvote vote ghostly
Not trying to hammer its just late Monday and the deadline is upon us

Deadline isn't for another week...

[ghostly447]

Claimed Captain Flume, Town Watcher. From Catch-22 (I believe was the name of it). Same as our dead confirmed Town Tracker. I know nothing about 'Catch-22' except for the small bit our mod included in my role pm. Besides that, all I can hope for is that the town sees no reason to lynch me so I can try to watch some more and hopefully catch scum. If not, good luck town.

The highlighted section here is causing me major concern. First off, the character from Catch 22 (Orr) was the busdriver, not the tracker. Now, admittedly this is mistake that I made myself. I was then corrected by Strike or safari or someone. Now, Ghostly has continued to make this mistake, so I conclude that he actually thinks/thought that the tracker was the character from Catch 22. Looking at this, I am seriously concerned, as he seems to be using it as circumstantial evidence in support of his claim. This, coupled with other things he has said to similar ends is now causing me to seriously consider the possibility that this claim is a fake that Ghostly came up with based on these facts. I mean, I get this feeling that if Ghostly hadn't mixed up the character's roles that he would have claimed Gob or something from Arrested Development. I am not going to move my vote at the moment, because I don't want to rush things by putting him and L-1 where anybody could end the day before I am good and ready, but I now consider him my number 1 choice for the day.

Is that a lynch?
Cause I'd hate to see a no lynch after all this work
So unvote vote ghostly
Not trying to hammer its just late Monday and the deadline is upon us

The deadline is next Monday, a week from now.

Bleh, I need some sleep. Gotta also drill it into my brain that I am saying the wrong crap. I have gotten used to saying our tracker was Catch-22 and have just not gotten it through my head quite yet. Cant teach an old dog new tricks, or in this case since I have gotten so used to 1 thing, its hard to change my pattern of thought.

Regarding the players I mentioned that everyone feels have cause me to lose my sight to the other players around me, I just have reason to believe they may be scum. I posted those reasons dozens of times, and after you make a case, no matter how good or bad it is, you are always wondering if you can actually trust them. I just personally feel SOME things I pointed out actually were scumslips, and therefore sometimes its hard to let go of the fact that they may NOT be scum. I do still feel their scum, but I promise you I still go with unbiased behavior into any game, and thats how it is throughout as well.

[MoB Deadly]

I honestly don't like any of the claims.

This post caught my eye:

Analysis of players claims that are most important regardless of flavor:

1. Some7hing
2. Ghostly
3. Jak111

Analysis of players claims based on most likely (I'm looking at this as a lot less important than the other two categories as at this point we don't know that much about set up):

1. Some7hing
2. Ghostly
3. Jak111

Analysis of which player has acted the most scummy in my eyes:

1. Ghostly-He seems to be all over the place and best case scenario he has simply tunnel visioned onto three people and therefore really isn't doing town any good unless he just happens to be right. Worst case scenario: it is as it seems and he's trying to pull stuff out of nowhere to keep his suspicions correct. He still hasn't addressed some pointed out flaws with his cases. Attempting to get claimed doc killed.
2. Some7hing-Inactivity. Hypocrisy and a few other scum slips. Nothing worth lynching the doc over.
3. Jak111-Claimed early...very early. Could just be new.



I'd much rather lynch a VT claim than a watcher claim in a normal scenario but I actually feel like Ghostly's dropped more scum tells and yes I feel his overall scumminess has surpassed that of some7hing's. vote Ghostly

I really really think that a Watcher role could almost be more important than a doctor role. Watcher role has a chance to "prove" he's a watcher by saying if someone was visited by someone else. The watcher has a chance to catch scum, the watcher can bring new info to the game every single night. The Doctor can't do that at all. The doc is trying to save 1 player out of 15, his value increases as the game moves along.

Why vote for ghostly now? Why not give him a chance to prove his innocence? He isn't going anywhere, we can just lynch him tomorrow.

The doctor has a character claim that is very shady, I am not 100% sold he is beneficial to the town.

Jak, the VT, is just dead weight, not providing any cases at all, very inactive (I dont have much room to talk ), and claims at L-7. I think we talked and got more than enough information today. I think we should play it safe and lynch the least riskiest player. My vote stays on jak

[MoB Deadly]

Btw... I am still very sick.. this sucks..

[DoomYoshi]

Claimed Captain Flume, Town Watcher. From Catch-22 (I believe was the name of it). Same as our dead confirmed Town Tracker. I know nothing about 'Catch-22' except for the small bit our mod included in my role pm. Besides that, all I can hope for is that the town sees no reason to lynch me so I can try to watch some more and hopefully catch scum. If not, good luck town.

The highlighted section here is causing me major concern. First off, the character from Catch 22 (Orr) was the busdriver, not the tracker. Now, admittedly this is mistake that I made myself. I was then corrected by Strike or safari or someone. Now, Ghostly has continued to make this mistake, so I conclude that he actually thinks/thought that the tracker was the character from Catch 22. Looking at this, I am seriously concerned, as he seems to be using it as circumstantial evidence in support of his claim. This, coupled with other things he has said to similar ends is now causing me to seriously consider the possibility that this claim is a fake that Ghostly came up with based on these facts. I mean, I get this feeling that if Ghostly hadn't mixed up the character's roles that he would have claimed Gob or something from Arrested Development. I am not going to move my vote at the moment, because I don't want to rush things by putting him and L-1 where anybody could end the day before I am good and ready, but I now consider him my number 1 choice for the day.

Is that a lynch?
Cause I'd hate to see a no lynch after all this work
So unvote vote ghostly
Not trying to hammer its just late Monday and the deadline is upon us

The deadline is next Monday, a week from now.

Bleh, I need some sleep. Gotta also drill it into my brain that I am saying the wrong crap. I have gotten used to saying our tracker was Catch-22 and have just not gotten it through my head quite yet. Cant teach an old dog new tricks, or in this case since I have gotten so used to 1 thing, its hard to change my pattern of thought.

[color=#0040FF]Why would it be in your brain at all though?[/color]

Regarding the players I mentioned that everyone feels have cause me to lose my sight to the other players around me, I just have reason to believe they may be scum. I posted those reasons dozens of times, and after you make a case, no matter how good or bad it is, you are always wondering if you can actually trust them.

So if 0% of the reasons are valid, and some are pure fabrications, the case must still be continued? Unfortunately, in RL this is true. Michael Jackson will forever be known as a child molester, even though it was never proven. In mafia this shouldn't be the case.

I just personally feel SOME things I pointed out actually were scumslips, and therefore sometimes its hard to let go of the fact that they may NOT be scum.

Which ones?

I do still feel their scum, but I promise you I still go with unbiased behavior into any game, and thats how it is throughout as well.

Prove it. So far nothing you have said, other than this post, has provided any evidence that this is the case.

[ghostly447]

Claimed Captain Flume, Town Watcher. From Catch-22 (I believe was the name of it). Same as our dead confirmed Town Tracker. I know nothing about 'Catch-22' except for the small bit our mod included in my role pm. Besides that, all I can hope for is that the town sees no reason to lynch me so I can try to watch some more and hopefully catch scum. If not, good luck town.

The highlighted section here is causing me major concern. First off, the character from Catch 22 (Orr) was the busdriver, not the tracker. Now, admittedly this is mistake that I made myself. I was then corrected by Strike or safari or someone. Now, Ghostly has continued to make this mistake, so I conclude that he actually thinks/thought that the tracker was the character from Catch 22. Looking at this, I am seriously concerned, as he seems to be using it as circumstantial evidence in support of his claim. This, coupled with other things he has said to similar ends is now causing me to seriously consider the possibility that this claim is a fake that Ghostly came up with based on these facts. I mean, I get this feeling that if Ghostly hadn't mixed up the character's roles that he would have claimed Gob or something from Arrested Development. I am not going to move my vote at the moment, because I don't want to rush things by putting him and L-1 where anybody could end the day before I am good and ready, but I now consider him my number 1 choice for the day.

Is that a lynch?
Cause I'd hate to see a no lynch after all this work
So unvote vote ghostly
Not trying to hammer its just late Monday and the deadline is upon us

The deadline is next Monday, a week from now.

Bleh, I need some sleep. Gotta also drill it into my brain that I am saying the wrong crap. I have gotten used to saying our tracker was Catch-22 and have just not gotten it through my head quite yet. Cant teach an old dog new tricks, or in this case since I have gotten so used to 1 thing, its hard to change my pattern of thought.

[color=#0040FF]Why would it be in your brain at all though?[/color]

Regarding the players I mentioned that everyone feels have cause me to lose my sight to the other players around me, I just have reason to believe they may be scum. I posted those reasons dozens of times, and after you make a case, no matter how good or bad it is, you are always wondering if you can actually trust them.

So if 0% of the reasons are valid, and some are pure fabrications, the case must still be continued? Unfortunately, in RL this is true. Michael Jackson will forever be known as a child molester, even though it was never proven. In mafia this shouldn't be the case.

I just personally feel SOME things I pointed out actually were scumslips, and therefore sometimes its hard to let go of the fact that they may NOT be scum.

Which ones?

I do still feel their scum, but I promise you I still go with unbiased behavior into any game, and thats how it is throughout as well.

Prove it. So far nothing you have said, other than this post, has provided any evidence that this is the case.

I have already pointed the ones out that started me off. Though I would have to go back and get the one for chapcrap, here are my reasons:

CLEVER: Scumslips are all I see from him. The only reason he hasnt been lynched yet is because he is a claimed town doctor.

ChapCrap: Like I said, I would have to go back and read my cases again to be able to see what I brought the case up against him for. But as of right now, I am not even sure I will live through today and tonight, so if I do, I will reread the entirety of D1 and D2 and see what it was, check consistency of posts (say I caught him for scumslipping, I would see if he continued to scumslip throughout). For now, I will leave this one.

DoomYoshi: Last game I was in with you, where you were town, you were the most active player there. I brought the case against you because there were periods of time when you didnt post at all, and others when you still werent as active as in the other game. I think you posted saying that January wasnt a good month for you or something of the sort, but as soon as I brought it up (or a couple days after) you began to get more and more active.

Those were the reasons for my beginning cases on you and CLEVER. I still feel CLEVER is making scumslips (He went skimming again last night when he thought the deadline was last night, and NOT March 5th).

[DoomYoshi]

Well that is just bullshit because when you started the case on me, I still was one of the most active players. That was another one of the things that you just made up. Eventually my inactivity became a truth, but I was by far the only one.

A case made based on my meta, AND based on my activity is double-bullshit. Especially since I was playing cop in ff7 (the role that has a lot of freedom to go out on limbs).

Now you say you are gong to leave the chap case, but you have said that before.

[ghostly447]

Well that is just bullshit because when you started the case on me, I still was one of the most active players. That was another one of the things that you just made up. Eventually my inactivity became a truth, but I was by far the only one.

A case made based on my meta, AND based on my activity is double-bullshit. Especially since I was playing cop in ff7 (the role that has a lot of freedom to go out on limbs).

Now you say you are gong to leave the chap case, but you have said that before.

I will post when I get home. There is another teacher sitting next to me, so I do not have time to go back and look at the early pages. I will do it at home though.

[DoomYoshi]

So, for day 1 I had 22 posts compared to ghost's 19. His word count is slightly higher than mine. However, saying that the entire case was based off of my inactivity is, once again, an absolute fabrication.

[ghostly447]

If your going to post stats on posts then you missed some things. How much of those were fluff for each or me against you when it came to eagleblade. More importantly which day did I bring the case against you and how many posts did we each make day 2? Your doing exactly what clever did in posting everyone's number of posting but not including the rest of the story. Do that and I will say you have a case.

[jonty125]

My vote stays on jak for claiming VT @ L-7. But I will hammer if needs be on a different case.

[DoomYoshi]

So am I the only one who didn't present a lot of cases on day 1? Am I the only one who posted fluff?

You singled me out for not leading town. It is true that in recent games, I have taken a town leader role more frequently. Tat doesn't mean that I have to do it every game though.

Your inactivity case on me on day 2 was the fist real case of day 2, so it can really only be based on day 1 or on early day 2, when my activity was, as usual, above the mean.

I did not fail to include the whole story. I did concede that your actual word count was higher than mine. Clearly, I was not saying that I was contributing more to the discussion, just that I was not, by any stretch of the imagination, inactive.

[ghostly447]

So then you proved nothing new. The case was proven incorrect and that's why it was dropped. Congratulations again?

[DoomYoshi]

When was the case dropped? As of last page, you still said I was scummy.

[ghostly447]

When was the case dropped? As of last page, you still said I was scummy.

The particular case was dropped once disproven. You even for mad when I said that if I saw any reason to go after you again I would and it turned out you took it too literal and thought I was a framer until someone mentioned that it was actually me saying that if you made a slip I wouldn't be hesitant to continue pressuring you.

I feel as though that right now all your doing is buffering an already confirmed loss on my part. Either trying to gain support that you are in fact town or maybe because you want to give other players a reason to see me as Mafia with as I said a case which I have already dropped whether you think I did or not.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I never put my vote back sovote Jack

[safariguy5]

When was the case dropped? As of last page, you still said I was scummy.

The particular case was dropped once disproven. You even for mad when I said that if I saw any reason to go after you again I would and it turned out you took it too literal and thought I was a framer until someone mentioned that it was actually me saying that if you made a slip I wouldn't be hesitant to continue pressuring you.

I feel as though that right now all your doing is buffering an already confirmed loss on my part. Either trying to gain support that you are in fact town or maybe because you want to give other players a reason to see me as Mafia with as I said a case which I have already dropped whether you think I did or not.

Not to get into semantics here, but when you're talking about who you find scummy, that technically doesn't mean you have a case on them DY.

On the other hand ghostly, I find it hard to believe that nobody else in the last 15-20 pages has posted something scummy. When you're going over your list of suspects, the same 3 people keep coming up. You're implying that nothing has seemed scummy to you in several days, which strains my credulity.

[strike wolf]

Well most of the pages have been the same 7-8 people. I'd like to hear from Victor and a few others. I'll see who's inactive. Also is there a replacement for Pancakemix?

[new guy1]

I have been quite innactive, but this is a product of not being able to choose a side between ghostly and his competitors (if you can call them that). I have to agree with him on one thing though, and that is that CLEVER is getting passes because he is a claimed doctor and hes new and nobody thinks hes smart enough to come up with a doctor fake claim. I have no idea how people still think that he could help town much as if he is insane and kills half the people he protects then hes no help, and if we make him keep his role to himself and not do anything then hes as good as a VT (as far as Im concerned they are expendable). That is pretty much my opinion. I believe that ghostly has been giving alot more cases then CLEVER, who seems to be posting fluff when he is called on and changing his words when he cant find a case for himself. I know, CLEVER is the claimed doctor, hes in God mode right now, but Im sorry, he is posting so many scum tells that any other claim would have had him lynched on the spot and then when hes "cleared" of his charges he just disappears. I will not vote, as the deadline is near and I dont think we could get a lynch anyways, but I think we should maybe pursue CLEVER tomorrow, maybe find out who he protected tonight and such, and go from there.

[ghostly447]

When was the case dropped? As of last page, you still said I was scummy.

The particular case was dropped once disproven. You even for mad when I said that if I saw any reason to go after you again I would and it turned out you took it too literal and thought I was a framer until someone mentioned that it was actually me saying that if you made a slip I wouldn't be hesitant to continue pressuring you.

I feel as though that right now all your doing is buffering an already confirmed loss on my part. Either trying to gain support that you are in fact town or maybe because you want to give other players a reason to see me as Mafia with as I said a case which I have already dropped whether you think I did or not.

Not to get into semantics here, but when you're talking about who you find scummy, that technically doesn't mean you have a case on them DY.

On the other hand ghostly, I find it hard to believe that nobody else in the last 15-20 pages has posted something scummy. When you're going over your list of suspects, the same 3 people keep coming up. You're implying that nothing has seemed scummy to you in several days, which strains my credulity.

I agree the last 15-20 pages have yielded other players posting things I could consider scummy. But at the same time, the last 15-20 pages have basically been me trying to make cases against people based off of (I have said it half a dozen times) WEAK evidence to see if they would flip out under pressure, if they would make scum slips, etc. BUT if your going to try to say those last 15-20 pages are evidence against me being biased, you are incorrect. It has simply been discussion leading to several cases, etc however strong or weak they are, and therefore it doesnt mean I am tunnel visioned. It just means I want them to THINK I am singling them out. It just means, in general, I havent had time to start building anything else against anyone else.

[strike wolf]

There are so many flaws with that statement I don't even know where to begin.

[new guy1]

There are so many flaws with that statement I don't even know where to begin.

which one, mine, or ghostly's?

[strike wolf]

There are so many flaws with that statement I don't even know where to begin.

which one, mine, or ghostly's?

Ghostly's

[ghostly447]

There are so many flaws with that statement I don't even know where to begin.

which one, mine, or ghostly's?

Ghostly's

Please point them out. the last 15-20 pages have been discussion on the cases brought up, in general. Would it help if I brought that list of who I think is scummy up again? Where I said that I would tell another time who else I thought was scummy? And said that 2 players were on there that I hadnt brought up yet? Please take the time to break down my statement, I want to prove my innocence. The deadline is too close to be continuing on with a townie case.