HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[Nebuchadnezer]

While Harry was the ultimate quick win player, beyond that, he didn't have much in the way of power. So, we need to get past his loss and move on with the rest of the town here.

The best option to me is to go for our "body guard." He really does no good without knowing the power roles to protect anyway. He'd just be flailing around in the dark protecting on hunches. If he did succeed in protecting anyone, it wouldn't matter anyway, as that gives us no clue as to who he protected, and therefore doesn't clear anyone. I will agree that it is a good mafia claim, as even if a tracker (watcher) targeted him, he could still target Harry and we'd be no wiser to if he was mafia targeting him, mafia busdriver targeting him, or an actual body guard protecting him. Rather fool proof.

Given that he didn't protect Harry last night, I'm willing to test his claim.

VOTE SAFARIGUY

Again, like I said, two wrongs don't make a right. All I can say is that I did target jonty to protect, but again, it's not like mafia didn't know who I was because I claimed. Honestly, all you have on me is that jonty died, and there are several possible reasons why that happened. While me "flailing around in the dark" is all well and good, you also realize I do have a small chance of saving the mafia NK right? Considering we probably have other protective and investigative roles, my death could be a lot more useful than a lazy town lynch on Day 2.

How is it a lazy lynch, if I don't actually believe your claim? In fact, it would be one hell of a tough lynch to get people to vote for you. You seem to have everyone here believing your claim. I'm just not so sure it adds up, and it's a little too convenient for you to keep "missing" protections night after night. Because, here's what will happen: the next townie to claim will hope to be protected at night. Once again, you will fail to protect. We come back the next day and the same thing happens. Why do I say you will fail to protect? Because you failed last night. Whatever you did or did not do, the mafia already have a template as to how to eliminate town. So, again, please tell me how you will magically protect anyone when you couldn't do so last night?

Now, I must consider alternatives...one being, Harry sacrificed himself, per the story. Did he actually find Voldemort last night, and thus "seeled" his own fate of having to "die" first? Possible, but very unlikely, and would be way outside normal mafia roles. There may also be other possibilities, but the most likely, to me right now, is that you made a fake claim, and had a hand in killing jonty.

Neb

[thehippo8]

@Iron - Your logic doesn't gell with me. You've been absent without comment for a very long time and then what you do say is so obtuse that it couldn't be deemed to help town at all. I have some other ideas, but I want to save those until later but want to see what everyone else thinks of your post first.

@Neb - Again, I can't see the point in loosing a townie. If saf is lying then he'll survive the night. If he's not then he'll get lynched. Seems there are better targets than Saf.

Fastposted by Neb ... but no change in my thoughts.

[Nebuchadnezer]

@Iron - Your logic doesn't gell with me. You've been absent without comment for a very long time and then what you do say is so obtuse that it couldn't be deemed to help town at all. I have some other ideas, but I want to save those until later but want to see what everyone else thinks of your post first.

@Neb - Again, I can't see the point in loosing a townie. If saf is lying then he'll survive the night. If he's not then he'll get lynched. Seems there are better targets than Saf.

Fastposted by Neb ... but no change in my thoughts.

Why will Saf not survive the night if he's telling the truth? You have to explain that logic to me.

[thehippo8]

@Iron - Your logic doesn't gell with me. You've been absent without comment for a very long time and then what you do say is so obtuse that it couldn't be deemed to help town at all. I have some other ideas, but I want to save those until later but want to see what everyone else thinks of your post first.

@Neb - Again, I can't see the point in loosing a townie. If saf is lying then he'll survive the night. If he's not then he'll get lynched. Seems there are better targets than Saf.

Fastposted by Neb ... but no change in my thoughts.

Why will Saf not survive the night if he's telling the truth? You have to explain that logic to me.

Maybe I overstated, but he seems an obvious Mafia target for the night!

[Iron Butterfly]

Hippo you are the last person to be talking about obtuse logic. You were one of the prime canidates for a lynch in day one due to the comments posted by yourself. The only reason you are not the focus right now is because folks are trying to figure out what happened last night.

[thehippo8]

Hippo you are the last person to be talking about obtuse logic. You were one of the prime canidates for a lynch in day one due to the comments posted by yourself. The only reason you are not the focus right now is because folks are trying to figure out what happened last night.

So am I!

[safariguy5]

@Iron - Your logic doesn't gell with me. You've been absent without comment for a very long time and then what you do say is so obtuse that it couldn't be deemed to help town at all. I have some other ideas, but I want to save those until later but want to see what everyone else thinks of your post first.

@Neb - Again, I can't see the point in loosing a townie. If saf is lying then he'll survive the night. If he's not then he'll get lynched. Seems there are better targets than Saf.

Fastposted by Neb ... but no change in my thoughts.

Why will Saf not survive the night if he's telling the truth? You have to explain that logic to me.

Whether or not I survive the night is up to WIFOM. Mafia could just as well not NK me and then frame me for a lynch. Which is probably what the've done for today.

What exactly do you mean by "missing protections"? How could I miss a protection if I got roleblocked or jonty was busdriven or something? So you don't believe my claim, fine. But realize that you're basically saying that we should lynch the claimed bodyguard because of one night's worth of actions.

How sure are you that I'm scum? Would you be willing to bet your life on it on Day 3 when I get lynched/killed and flip town? Because I'm a town protective role, and losing me would definitely hurt town more than a commuter.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Assuming that Saf. is a bodyguard and did what he said and protected Jonty that gives us an idea of possible roles that mafia has. I am hoping that Jonty was able to guess who "the one that shall not be named" and that is the reason for his death to only come back and kill him.. slightly far fetched for a mafia game but happens in HP.

Saf stating that lynch him to prove himself is hard to decipher since he claimed bodyguard and HP was killed this could be possible ploys to keep people off of his tail but very hard to prove.

But MC now you have my suspicion perked, with a 14 day deadline you come straight in saying there is no concrete evidence lets just find someone to lynch for the sake of lynching them cause then state that 10 people to make a lynch is to much. Why are you looking for a quick lynch? What information is it that you might be holding that you want to get back to night so quickly?

Your remarks stand out to be completely scummy FOS MC05025

1) I was the one defending Spartacus when people voted for him. I am the least suspicious from all players at that game.
2) Search for a quick Lynch??? not at all. I did not voted, I did not say to go for a quick lynch. Actually, exactly the opposite. I said if someone have something from N1 to think if he should tell it. I just said we should base our voted at evidence from the D1 and not from N1 because we have nothing concrete from N1
3) My role is not strong, but I can prove I am wizard during the day if needed. Do not make me do that
4) I beleive scums voted spartacus or they did not vote at all. You did not vote at all which is suspicious. Are you afraid or something? You did not have opinion?

Because of 2 your post is totally wrong. Why posting something like that?

That's a WIFOM statement.

It's more than wifom, even. It's a common scum tactic.

But MC now you have my suspicion perked, with a 14 day deadline you come straight in saying there is no concrete evidence lets just find someone to lynch for the sake of lynching them cause then state that 10 people to make a lynch is to much. Why are you looking for a quick lynch? What information is it that you might be holding that you want to get back to night so quickly?

Your remarks stand out to be completely scummy FOS MC05025

He's not wrong, though. With no reported investigations results or other night actions, we don't have hard evidence and have to go over D1's posts and rely on old-fashioned hard work. There are also too many scenarios that are being speculated upon when we don't have data to back it up. Neither the scene indicated bus actions nor have we heard other reports of night actions. For all we know, there could be a nexus, or re-director, or lightning rod, or blah blah blah... and we have not any way yet to discern the mechanics.

-Tails

[thehippo8]

@ Tails ... I guess the problem is that we're all too scared to actually give information given the way Saf's been treated. This is the problem early on with information. WHo wants to stick their nexk out and say something?

[thehippo8]

EBWOP

@ Tails ... I guess the problem is that we're all too scared to actually give information given the way Saf's been treated. This is the problem early on with information. WHo wants to stick their neck out and say something?

[Leehar]

Are we getting any cohesive opinion forming, or is there just a lot of accusations and flailing going about?
I still think our best bet would be someone who's still subtly submarining. Is there anyone still yet to Post in Day 2? There're 16 of us so I think so, and it makes sense that there's also be some here who are watching all our struggles to get something concrete, but are staying out of it to avoid drawing attention to themselves?
I suppose Iron was a good candidate for that as Hippo mentioned, but I'm sure there are others?

[dazza2008]

Are we getting any cohesive opinion forming, or is there just a lot of accusations and flailing going about?
I still think our best bet would be someone who's still subtly submarining. Is there anyone still yet to Post in Day 2? There're 16 of us so I think so, and it makes sense that there's also be some here who are watching all our struggles to get something concrete, but are staying out of it to avoid drawing attention to themselves?
I suppose Iron was a good candidate for that as Hippo mentioned, but I'm sure there are others?

2 players have not yet posted on day 2. Alt and pancakemix. Should we pressure 1 of them?

It seems there are too many things that could have happened last night and we don't seem to be getting far trying to guess which.

Although Jonty died I still believe Safari's claim so I don't think we should lynch him.

Of the people who have posted today I am most suspicious of Hippo.

[Djfireside]

I tend to agree that Hippo again just seems to be out there but who knows. Do I believe Saf? I dont know as it seems to convienent that he claimed right after jonty but can we stand to lose more town. I dunno.

As for the statement of if he survives the night, that makes no sense cause playing that if thats our logic mafia would just abide by it and leave him be.

[strike wolf]

I'm more or less making this as I read back through so some of my opinions may change. I'll try to note when they do.

There is a sixth possible scenario (and I'm delving into flavor again, my apologies) that Harry will be revived after a set period of time.

But back to the possible scenarios, I'm willing to take the fall for this one if nobody believes me. I have to believe we have other protective roles anyways, and assuming we don't out any other town power roles today, I'm probably going to be high on the mafia kill list anyways. Not necessarily saying that two wrongs make a right, but I understand how Harry dying makes me look bad.

I'm not prepared to loose you just yet.

I repeat my suggestion in case y'all didn't get it first time. Consider this. A roleblocks B. C protects Harry. Someone switches C with B. Therefore A blocks C and Harry looses his protection. Mafia go for the kill on Harry knowing that Harry has lost his protection. That makes the busdriver mafia. A more likely scenario IMHO. Assuming Safari is C, then it's not his fault. The questions worth asking is what was B doing, if B wasn't busy killing Harry? The second question is who is A and why did they block B. One key to uunravelling this is finding out more info from Saf. If we had a town watcher/investigator then some informaiton from there would be helpful also. But I'm not keen on loosing Safari just yet, certainly not without more information.

This seems like an overly complicated scenario that wouldn't guarantee a sucessful kill and preoccupying two mafia roles to do what? Protect the roleblocker from having the watcher see him?

I am agreeing with Leehar and with strike about a busdriver being unlikely.

The only that works is to have a mafia busdriver, which can easily happen, but doesn't really fit the flavor much and gives a lot of advantage to the Death Eaters, IMO.

To expand on saf's flavor filled 6th scenario, Harry could have given himself up, knowing that it is the only was to kill Voldemort. You have to kill the horcruxes first and Harry was one of the horcruxes. The problem with this scenario is how it fits into a mafia game. It doesn't seem like it it would. And it seems like if that were the case, Harry should have waited until other horcruxes were dead, ie Nagini.

I mostly find busdriving unlikely because the scene doesn't hint at a busdrive. It's possible but I was leaning against it and still am. As far as Horcruxes, I think having Harry with a horcrux condition would be possible. Maybe even Nagini but I doubt the others come in to play.

Too many scenarios and too many guesses.

Maybe someone innocent have informations from the night that benefit more the wizards than the deatheaters. Think a lot before reveal informations but do that if you think it worth it, because we have no concrete evidence for someone.

I beleive we have no evidence from the night. We should select someone to Lynch considering Tonks death.

I think that 10 people voting someone are too much. Maybe the Hippo is a scum and so deatheaters voted the other part to save him?

I don't know it's not what bleed mentioned but something does strike me as odd with this post.

Because of 2 your post is totally wrong. Why posting something like that?

I beleive we have no evidence from the night. We should select someone to Lynch considering Tonks death.
him?

Because of the above. You are completely dismissing what happened at night stating that there is no evidence but there is. Harry Potter died, Safaria claimed bodyguard and stated that he protected HP but he still died. The evidence would point to some possibilities, a fake claim from Saf, possible Bus Driver, possible role blocker.

If you would have stated that you could not come to a conclusion from the nights events and that maybe someone seen something on Day 1 that they would like to bring forward, but you did none of this just right away said lets look for a lynch.

4) I beleive scums voted spartacus or they did not vote at all. You did not vote at all which is suspicious. Are you afraid or something? You did not have opinion?

I FOS'd to bring to the front what you had said give you a chance to clarify what you said and what others seen from that comment and D1 actions so definitely do not start claiming anything to much information has been leaked already. I am treading for carefully before I jump to conclusions because of what happened on D1. I misinterpreted what Neb said and I did not want to do it again and I thought I had a solid case against Jonty which totally F'd things up especially from this I am being extremely careful with all the evidence that I find. I did not vote for Spartacus as I had stated I believed is claim to be plausible but by the time I got back from snowboarding/hospital he was already lynched.

Actually maybe it was what bleed was saying.

Assuming that Saf. is a bodyguard and did what he said and protected Jonty that gives us an idea of possible roles that mafia has. I am hoping that Jonty was able to guess who "the one that shall not be named" and that is the reason for his death to only come back and kill him.. slightly far fetched for a mafia game but happens in HP.

Saf stating that lynch him to prove himself is hard to decipher since he claimed bodyguard and HP was killed this could be possible ploys to keep people off of his tail but very hard to prove.

But MC now you have my suspicion perked, with a 14 day deadline you come straight in saying there is no concrete evidence lets just find someone to lynch for the sake of lynching them cause then state that 10 people to make a lynch is to much. Why are you looking for a quick lynch? What information is it that you might be holding that you want to get back to night so quickly?

Your remarks stand out to be completely scummy FOS MC05025

1) I was the one defending Spartacus when people voted for him. I am the least suspicious from all players at that game.
2) Search for a quick Lynch??? not at all. I did not voted, I did not say to go for a quick lynch. Actually, exactly the opposite. I said if someone have something from N1 to think if he should tell it. I just said we should base our voted at evidence from the D1 and not from N1 because we have nothing concrete from N1
3) My role is not strong, but I can prove I am wizard during the day if needed. Do not make me do that
4) I beleive scums voted spartacus or they did not vote at all. You did not vote at all which is suspicious. Are you afraid or something? You did not have opinion?

Because of 2 your post is totally wrong. Why posting something like that?

That's a WIFOM statement. So is number 4. Scum will defend town members to appear townish because scum know who is guilty and who isn't. We don't know who mafia is, so it's just as likely that some scum voted for Sparticus and some didn't.

Also, just because you can prove you're a wizard doesn't say much. Death Eaters are wizards too. If you can prove you're NOT a wizard, that might be something.

I don't want to read too much into this as iwe were wrong in regards to the green argument yesterday but this looks like another slip from Safari.

I died heroically and am now talking to Dumbledore at Kings Cross Station

Tell him I said hi.

What I find funny is that I was under the impression that if Harry targeted a player and it was Voldemort, Voldemort would be killed. Harry /Jonty also said his ability was able to trigger end game.

One would also think that the same would hold true if Voldemort kills Harry. I was under the impression that only Voldemort could kill Harry, at least that is the lore?

So either Voldamort killed Harry and we did not hit end game or someone else killed harry and like Sadari suggested he may rise again.

Well every time Voldemort tried to kill Harry it went wrong somehow because of their connection however if another Death Eater was to kill Harry then there is no connection to stop it from killing Harry. The dillema is Voldemort was very adamant that he had to be theone to kill Harry.

What I find funny is that I was under the impression that if Harry targeted a player and it was Voldemort, Voldemort would be killed. Harry /Jonty also said his ability was able to trigger end game.

One would also think that the same would hold true if Voldemort kills Harry. I was under the impression that only Voldemort could kill Harry, at least that is the lore?

So either Voldamort killed Harry and we did not hit end game or someone else killed harry and like Sadari suggested he may rise again.

Yeah, because someone who wasn't a Death Eater or Voldemort would kill Harry.

Also, Voldemort is the one who "killed" Harry when he came back to life.

I died heroically and am now talking to Dumbledore at Kings Cross Station

I'm not sure if this is just talking from the grave or if he is coming back. That is what happens in the book and movie. Harry gets killed, has a dream like thing where he talks to Dumbledore at King's Cross and then decides to come back and fight Voldemort instead of dying.

I'm gonna treat it like talking after death until can be proven otherwise.

What I find funny is that I was under the impression that if Harry targeted a player and it was Voldemort, Voldemort would be killed. Harry /Jonty also said his ability was able to trigger end game.

One would also think that the same would hold true if Voldemort kills Harry. I was under the impression that only Voldemort could kill Harry, at least that is the lore?

So either Voldamort killed Harry and we did not hit end game or someone else killed harry and like Sadari suggested he may rise again.

What he actually said was ...

OK guys, sorry I haven't posted in a bit my sis' birthday party & my internet connection has caused me to miss 48 hours but I am Harry Potter (Wizard Hero) . Every night I may "investigate" someone if they are Voldemort, they die, we win. Going to have another read of the pages since m...

That means that he had to investigate and find Voldemort. Assuming he investigated, he didn't find Voldemort. Had he found Voldemort then we win! We havn't won yet, so it's simple logic. I assume that you are right that only Voldemort can kill Harry, and we can take it from that Voldemort killed Harry. I think your statement is incredibly scummy therefore ... unvote vote Iron Butterfly

The point I was trying to make was that Harry is dead and the game still continues while Harry said that if he finds and kills Voldamort the game would be over. If Voldamort killed Harry why is the game still going? Its WIFO... we do not know Voldamorts win condition but one would assume its the same as Harries.

I guess you need somthing to take tye focus off your irratic behavior from yesterday. I would like you to explain why my statement is scummy.

I don't think it's safe to assume that Voldemorts win condition would be that simple. He had a lot of plans many dating back before Harry was born.

The best option to me is to go for our "body guard." He really does no good without knowing the power roles to protect anyway. He'd just be flailing around in the dark protecting on hunches. If he did succeed in protecting anyone, it wouldn't matter anyway, as that gives us no clue as to who he protected, and therefore doesn't clear anyone.

Well, the point of a bodyguard role isn't to clear anyone. Rather it is to act as a meat-shield to buy fellow town players (particularly power roles) an extra day of life. At this exact moment he may not know who to protect, but if a town power role is forced to claim then he can protect that person to either buy them another day, or scare the scum away from killing that person.

I will agree that it is a good mafia claim, as even if a tracker (watcher) targeted him, he could still target Harry and we'd be no wiser to if he was mafia targeting him, mafia busdriver targeting him, or an actual body guard protecting him. Rather fool proof.

If a tracker tracks a bodyguard to a target, and then the target turns up dead and the bodyguard doesn't, then it is clear that the bodyguard was not actually a bodyguard. If a tracker tracks a bodyguard to someone who doesn't die then we don't know anything beyond that the bodyguard didn't (successfully) kill the target.

This.

While Harry was the ultimate quick win player, beyond that, he didn't have much in the way of power. So, we need to get past his loss and move on with the rest of the town here.

The best option to me is to go for our "body guard." He really does no good without knowing the power roles to protect anyway. He'd just be flailing around in the dark protecting on hunches. If he did succeed in protecting anyone, it wouldn't matter anyway, as that gives us no clue as to who he protected, and therefore doesn't clear anyone. I will agree that it is a good mafia claim, as even if a tracker (watcher) targeted him, he could still target Harry and we'd be no wiser to if he was mafia targeting him, mafia busdriver targeting him, or an actual body guard protecting him. Rather fool proof.

Given that he didn't protect Harry last night, I'm willing to test his claim.

VOTE SAFARIGUY

Again, like I said, two wrongs don't make a right. All I can say is that I did target jonty to protect, but again, it's not like mafia didn't know who I was because I claimed. Honestly, all you have on me is that jonty died, and there are several possible reasons why that happened. While me "flailing around in the dark" is all well and good, you also realize I do have a small chance of saving the mafia NK right? Considering we probably have other protective and investigative roles, my death could be a lot more useful than a lazy town lynch on Day 2.

How is it a lazy lynch, if I don't actually believe your claim? In fact, it would be one hell of a tough lynch to get people to vote for you. You seem to have everyone here believing your claim. I'm just not so sure it adds up, and it's a little too convenient for you to keep "missing" protections night after night. Because, here's what will happen: the next townie to claim will hope to be protected at night. Once again, you will fail to protect. We come back the next day and the same thing happens. Why do I say you will fail to protect? Because you failed last night. Whatever you did or did not do, the mafia already have a template as to how to eliminate town. So, again, please tell me how you will magically protect anyone when you couldn't do so last night?

Now, I must consider alternatives...one being, Harry sacrificed himself, per the story. Did he actually find Voldemort last night, and thus "seeled" his own fate of having to "die" first? Possible, but very unlikely, and would be way outside normal mafia roles. There may also be other possibilities, but the most likely, to me right now, is that you made a fake claim, and had a hand in killing jonty.

Neb

It's a bit early to say he will fail every night isn't it?

@Iron - Your logic doesn't gell with me. You've been absent without comment for a very long time and then what you do say is so obtuse that it couldn't be deemed to help town at all. I have some other ideas, but I want to save those until later but want to see what everyone else thinks of your post first.

@Neb - Again, I can't see the point in loosing a townie. If saf is lying then he'll survive the night. If he's not then he'll get lynched. Seems there are better targets than Saf.

Fastposted by Neb ... but no change in my thoughts.

Don't think this comment holds weight as Safari could easily survive either way.

Overalll alt needs to be prodded someone mentioned Pancake but I thought he had been replaced. Not sure. All things considered...I have a couple candidates that I find suspicious but I'm not ready to vote. My FoSes go to Mc05025 and safariguy.

[spiesr]

I tend to agree that Hippo again just seems to be out there but who knows.

Yeah, he always seems to be his own particular brand of scummy no matter if he is town or scum. So, it is hard to draw any conclusions there.

Why will Saf not survive the night if he's telling the truth? You have to explain that logic to me.

Well, if he is telling the truth then there is a decent chance that the scum will kill him or he will jump in front of a bus for whomever they do try to kill. That is not a sure thing of course though. If we don't have a town power role claim today or something else to provide an obvious mafia target like we had yesterday then his chances of finding who the scum are trying to kill are not that high. Also, if the scum have a roleblocker or something they could just block him and leave him alive to draw suspicion tomorrow.

[pancakemix]

Are we getting any cohesive opinion forming, or is there just a lot of accusations and flailing going about?
I still think our best bet would be someone who's still subtly submarining. Is there anyone still yet to Post in Day 2? There're 16 of us so I think so, and it makes sense that there's also be some here who are watching all our struggles to get something concrete, but are staying out of it to avoid drawing attention to themselves?
I suppose Iron was a good candidate for that as Hippo mentioned, but I'm sure there are others?

2 players have not yet posted on day 2. Alt and pancakemix. Should we pressure 1 of them?

It seems there are too many things that could have happened last night and we don't seem to be getting far trying to guess which.

Although Jonty died I still believe Safari's claim so I don't think we should lynch him.

Of the people who have posted today I am most suspicious of Hippo.

Chill, amigo. I'm still getting grounded in this one.

Neb's take is an interesting one, but at this point I see no reason to disbelieve saf's claim. There are too many other factors at play in this situation to jump to the conclusion that he's lying. I will not, however, discount that conclusion entirely.

Fastposted by strike and spiesr.

[safariguy5]

I'm not seeing where I scumslipped strike. You'll have to spell that one out for me.

Bottom line is this: I already outed myself, so telling me to protect a certain person is going to be limited utility at best because then it sets up a WIFOM situation with regards to whether mafia want to negate my night action or not. I mean, what exactly do you want me to do?

I do find Neb's accusations an oversimplification of the circumstances, but given that I already established a willingness to take the fall for Harry's death, I feel that it would be inconsistent with my position to vote him. Also, there's no guarantee that the mod would put night action hints into the scenes, so I'm not going to expect much help in that sense.

FOS Neb

[strike wolf]

Sorry. I thought I bolded it. The part where you said that death eaters are wizards too.

[Iron Butterfly]

While Harry was the ultimate quick win player, beyond that, he didn't have much in the way of power. So, we need to get past his loss and move on with the rest of the town here.

The best option to me is to go for our "body guard." He really does no good without knowing the power roles to protect anyway. He'd just be flailing around in the dark protecting on hunches. If he did succeed in protecting anyone, it wouldn't matter anyway, as that gives us no clue as to who he protected, and therefore doesn't clear anyone. I will agree that it is a good mafia claim, as even if a tracker (watcher) targeted him, he could still target Harry and we'd be no wiser to if he was mafia targeting him, mafia busdriver targeting him, or an actual body guard protecting him. Rather fool proof.

Given that he didn't protect Harry last night, I'm willing to test his claim.

VOTE SAFARIGUY

Again, like I said, two wrongs don't make a right. All I can say is that I did target jonty to protect, but again, it's not like mafia didn't know who I was because I claimed. Honestly, all you have on me is that jonty died, and there are several possible reasons why that happened. While me "flailing around in the dark" is all well and good, you also realize I do have a small chance of saving the mafia NK right? Considering we probably have other protective and investigative roles, my death could be a lot more useful than a lazy town lynch on Day 2.

How is it a lazy lynch, if I don't actually believe your claim? In fact, it would be one hell of a tough lynch to get people to vote for you. You seem to have everyone here believing your claim. I'm just not so sure it adds up, and it's a little too convenient for you to keep "missing" protections night after night. Because, here's what will happen: the next townie to claim will hope to be protected at night. Once again, you will fail to protect. We come back the next day and the same thing happens. Why do I say you will fail to protect? Because you failed last night. Whatever you did or did not do, the mafia already have a template as to how to eliminate town. So, again, please tell me how you will magically protect anyone when you couldn't do so last night?

Now, I must consider alternatives...one being, Harry sacrificed himself, per the story. Did he actually find Voldemort last night, and thus "seeled" his own fate of having to "die" first? Possible, but very unlikely, and would be way outside normal mafia roles. There may also be other possibilities, but the most likely, to me right now, is that you made a fake claim, and had a hand in killing jonty.

Neb

With the evidence so far i choose to beleive Saf as there is no reason not to. He claimed and stated what he was going to do. Obviously one can either choose to beleive or not to beleive. Look at what happened with Sparticus. Everyone was so gung ho sure he was scum because of all his slips, errors and flaws in how to interpret his claim.

You can choose to not beleive but you logic is complete WIFO. You speak as if Sadari is the sole protector of town and that if people continue to die it is because of him. You have no idea of what roles Town posess so to base your argument as if you have it all figured out is silly.

How would mafia have a template to kill Town? We had a mislynch day one and we had one Night go by. The only substance mafia had to go on was that Saf was a claimed body guard and that Jonty was Harry. Thats not a template to kill Town..thats a huge bullseye for Mafia night one.

At this point of the game everything is one big what if...nothing more.

I have said this before but with such a huge bullseye on Jonty and Safari someone has to know somthing. I mean come on...if your a tracker or watcher are you going to target some random player hoping for a lead or are you going target the person mostlikely targeted by mafia?

Freezie is quoted as saying that this game will be harder then your average game, so that can mean anything but i also take it to mean that things dont/wont easily fall into place like a regular game. We dont even know if Harry is dead for good.

The point I make is that if you choose not to beleive Safari do so not because of WIFO but because of solid eveidence.

[strike wolf]

For the record its WIFOM as in Wine In Front Of Me. not WIFO.

[chapcrap]

For me, the top 3 scum candidates are

safariguy5
mc05025
Nebuchadnezer

That wasn't necessarily in order. I don't think that town should just ignore the fact that Harry was killed and saf's claim role didn't do what it was supposed to. There are obviously mechanics that can effect this, but it can't be ignored, no matter what your gut is telling you.

FASTOSTED x2

[safariguy5]

Sorry. I thought I bolded it. The part where you said that death eaters are wizards too.

Oh ok, so you're delving into the flavor spec of Fenrir/Nagini possibly being in the game. Fair enough.

My point is that most characters in this game are going to be wizards. Telling us you're a wizard says far less than telling us you're not a wizard. The character list for non wizard town characters is longer than non wizard mafia members IMHO.

For me, the top 3 scum candidates are

safariguy5
mc05025
Nebuchadnezer

That wasn't necessarily in order. I don't think that town should just ignore the fact that Harry was killed and saf's claim role didn't do what it was supposed to. There are obviously mechanics that can effect this, but it can't be ignored, no matter what your gut is telling you.

FASTOSTED x2

Point taken. Again, I do understand if town wants a lynch, it being my word against the night actions, but I would hope people would not read too deeply into one night's actions, especially since my intended night action was out in the open.

That said, I'd rather take the lynch than possible reveal a tracker or watcher claim. As said before, I'm more or less a meat shield, and I think in the long run, town is better off with me dead and the investigative roles hidden as mafia definitely has some sort of manipulative roles.

[Bleed_Green]

I have to say thank you Saf for being honest and willing to make to take a lynch so we do not out any other power roles. Since we have 12 days to go I have to believe Saf claims with no counter claim especially since HP is dead and no real other power roles relieved. That being said I am still suspicious of MC, Hippo but leaning towards alt since he has not shown up as of yet..

[Nebuchadnezer]

I have to say thank you Saf for being honest and willing to make to take a lynch so we do not out any other power roles. Since we have 12 days to go I have to believe Saf claims with no counter claim especially since HP is dead and no real other power roles relieved. That being said I am still suspicious of MC, Hippo but leaning towards alt since he has not shown up as of yet..

UNVOTE SAFARIGUY

Alright, I'm done with my "kill Safariguy" crusade for now. While I'm disappointed with Alt's activity, I'd be interested in seeing a case on MC or Hippo. I'd do it, but it won't happen for a couple days.

[alt1978]

I apologize for being thin on posting...i actually like the safari case best at this point. Harry should have been hard...very hard to kill. Safari's timing of the claim is suspicious. Harry dying double suspicios. Turning around and finger of suspitioning neb after the case looks three times fishy.

I had other suspicions before safari attacked neb...but now i'm not sure. Big fos at safari.