Italian Style Mafia Thread: FSO wins!

[jgordon1111]

Sorry dazza I did read your post,now I am getting confused about who has and hasnt. So at this point MoB is the only non claimer

[MoB Deadly]

Okay claim time -

I am the (Mafia Paparazzi). I choose one person per night, if I get nightkilled, that player's role will be revealed publicly. I think I was supposed to find the Usurper or the Quack doctor, or obviously any agents we have running around.

Night 1 - Targeted WW - simply for his "woot" statement after it was nighttime. I really thought it was a scum slip.
Night 2 - Targeted Safari - After PCM died, I figured either Safari was next (because of being a veteran), or he would live and could be scum.
Night 3 - Targeted WW again - Mostly random - I just caught up on Day 3 discussion today.


On a side note, I definitely think Dazzas claim is fake. If I received a silencer role I think I may have announced or at least breadcrumbed my action during day 1. Yeah actually thats exactly what I would do. In one post I would be like "Oh I hope this game doesnt get silent" or I hope "Sparticus doesnt go silent again" and actually do it night 1. He could tell us by day 3 he was silenced and dazza would be clear right now.

That means to prove it now, he needs to survive another day, which will buy the anti-mafia another night. Good try at a fake claim IMO

[dazza2008]

On a side note, I definitely think Dazzas claim is fake. If I received a silencer role I think I may have announced or at least breadcrumbed my action during day 1. Yeah actually thats exactly what I would do. In one post I would be like "Oh I hope this game doesnt get silent" or I hope "Sparticus doesnt go silent again" and actually do it night 1. He could tell us by day 3 he was silenced and dazza would be clear right now.

That means to prove it now, he needs to survive another day, which will buy the anti-mafia another night. Good try at a fake claim IMO

I never thought to actually use it. When I got my role I thought it was useless in this game so I have just been playing it like I have no powers at all.

[safariguy5]

Man, there are a couple of roles that I think could be fake. The bomb could be fake, the poisoner could be fake...

The silencer could be fake, but that could be tested. Paparazzi could also, and it's harder to be tested.

I think with all the question marks, we should test a couple of them. I think we should have one of the claims we're not 100% with hammer the bomb claim. That way, we test two claims at once.

[everywhere116]

Whatever you guys choose to do, you have 24-33 hours to do it.

[everywhere116]

Vote Count 1

Spartacus: 1 (Leehar)
jgordon: 1 (Spartacus)
Not voting: 5 (Safariguy, MoB Deadly, Sparticus, dazza2008, jgordon, jak1111)

4 to lynch.

As I said, either 24 hours or 33 hours (depending on activity) remaining.

[jak111]

3. Safariguy- claimed Hider
4. MoB Deadly- claimed paparazzi
8. Sparticus- claimed bomb.
10. dazza2008- claimed silencer
11. jgordon- claimed watcher? (Something close to that)
13. jak1111- claimed busdriver (Also cleared by Safari)
17. Leehar- claimed Poisoner

Alright boys, before we cast our votes randomly lets think this over and see who everyone else thinks is suspicious, if we're gonna do this we're gonna have to do it as a team. Now from what I gather some of you can be cleared easily by tomorrow. And I'm willing to go matyr for the team if it means helping us win this thing.

So I myself KNOW I am busdriver, but for some of you may still be suspicious of me, that's why I wish to see who everyone else is thinking about and coordinate who to go after. I also believe Safari is who he says he is because he's been right twice by now, while he could be evil and already know who's good through that way goes untouched by me because he's proven himself again and again in my eyes.

Now Leehar I believe because that's a good/bad role but he finally chose not to poison someone and make his powers be useful and which I MUST believe or else we'd be out numbered by tonights end anyhow if we had 3 more killers left.

Which leaves me with these people:
4. MoB Deadly- claimed paparazzi
8. Sparticus- claimed bomb.
10. dazza2008- claimed silencer
11. jgordon- claimed watcher? (Something close to that)

So in my eyes we can easily test dazza by him silencing someone for tomorrow, preferably not safari since we need him to say who he's cleared. (And Safari, we're gonna need your target tonight just in case you die bud.) Also dazza whoever you silence say it out loud so.. if the person can't speak tomorrow you'll be cleared.

With MoB, Spaticus, and jgordon left is where my suspicions go sky high. While MoB has not contributed that much to the public my suspicions lie on sparticus and jgordon. sparticus because mafia bomb? Really? I find that very hard to believe we could take out a killer if he targeted you. And jgordon for just being a hunch. I don't think we'd have 3 insanes (quak, cop, AND watcher???)

But yea, those are the two my suspicions are more on at the moment. I'd like to hear your guys thoughts and who you guys think should be lynched or protected...

[dazza2008]

I don't believe MoB Deadly's claim. The main reason for this id that we play games in our clan forum and MoB modded 1 recently.

He used this role Town Oracle . Seen on this link http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Oracle

Mafia Paparazzi is pretty much the same role and as you can see is on the same site(if you scroll down to the mafia roles).

It all just seems a little too convenient to me.

@Jak. So you want me to state who I am going to silence before the night phase?

[dazza2008]

I don't believe MoB Deadly's claim. The main reason for this id that we play games in our clan forum and MoB modded 1 recently.

He used this role Town Oracle . Seen on this link http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Oracle

Mafia Paparazzi is pretty much the same role and as you can see is on the same site(if you scroll down to the mafia roles).

It all just seems a little too convenient to me.

@Jak. So you want me to state who I am going to silence before the night phase?

Fogot to add Vote Mob

[MoB Deadly]

leehar i may not post alot as i have been busy at work,
ok so safari and jak i think we can be certain are town but you leehar im still unsure why you would use your poison on the first nights?
i am Mafia Bomb[color=#000000][/color]so no real powers but if i get targeted at night by scum i blow them up as well so we both die .

I was thinking about the hammering technique Safari suggested, however, Sparticus only claimed he blows up at night, not during the day.

[MoB Deadly]

I don't believe MoB Deadly's claim. The main reason for this id that we play games in our clan forum and MoB modded 1 recently.

He used this role Town Oracle . Seen on this link http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Oracle

Mafia Paparazzi is pretty much the same role and as you can see is on the same site(if you scroll down to the mafia roles).

It all just seems a little too convenient to me.

@Jak. So you want me to state who I am going to silence before the night phase?

I honestly didn't even know about the Mafia Paparazzi until I looked it up. I immediately thought, isn't this an oracle? If I was fake claiming, I would claim "Mafia Oracle", not a role I didn't even know existed.

[SPARTACUS1974]

i still think its between jgordon and leehar for fake claim my gut is saying jgordon but im still unsure about leehar using his poison on first 2 nights way to risky .
Mob yes if a scum tries to kill me at night then we both die

[dazza2008]

I don't believe MoB Deadly's claim. The main reason for this id that we play games in our clan forum and MoB modded 1 recently.

He used this role Town Oracle . Seen on this link http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Oracle

Mafia Paparazzi is pretty much the same role and as you can see is on the same site(if you scroll down to the mafia roles).

It all just seems a little too convenient to me.

@Jak. So you want me to state who I am going to silence before the night phase?

I honestly didn't even know about the Mafia Paparazzi until I looked it up. I immediately thought, isn't this an oracle? If I was fake claiming, I would claim "Mafia Oracle", not a role I didn't even know existed.

Well you would say that if it was a fakeclaim. I just really find it pretty convenient.

[safariguy5]

i still think its between jgordon and leehar for fake claim my gut is saying jgordon but im still unsure about leehar using his poison on first 2 nights way to risky .
Mob yes if a scum tries to kill me at night then we both die

That's really odd, usually a bomb also blows up the hammer vote if he gets lynched. This is also a classic scum fakeclaim because he uses the bomb fakeclaim to deter town lynching him.

Now we have to think about whether today is MYLO. I would assume that the two mafia factions would still have 2 NK's, which would theoretically take us down to 5 people on Day 5. If I hide behind someone who is targeted for the kill, then it would take us down to 4 people. Minimum 2 of them are mafia according to our assumptions, and depending on whether or not they have a linked victory condition, it could be endgame for us. So I have no problem telling you guys who I will hide behind, but it may be the end for us.

As for who dazza should silence and who I should hide behind, I suggest this. dazza silences me and I hide behind dazza. So if I die tomorrow, then we know dazza was lying. Me being silenced tomorrow should be fine, hopefully you guys won't need my input to decide on a lynch.

So to go back to my original plan of hammering the bomb (sparticus), then I think it should come down to jgordon, leehar, or Mob because dazza and I are going to cross check our roles basically.

jgordon- most of the heat coming down on him is due to getting codie lynched. With the insane cop results and the busdriving, I'm inclined to chalk this one up to inexperience. Of course, he could be pulling a huge WIFOM by wanting to be lynched for his mistake, but I admit that I would be confused by all the roleswitching and I don't think jgordon has a real good grasp of what his role does. I'm pretty sure that the mafia stalker is a tracker claim not a watcher claim. Which to me makes sense if we have several night abilities that are killing (hitman, poisoner? 2 scum NK's?). If jgordon is really fakeclaiming his role, hat's off to him, because I'm buying it.

MoB- again, heat seems to be coming down because his role doesn't really match the website names. I would like to point out that some rolenames have been changed in this game. Mafia Hitman sounds like a vig to me, but you don't often see a town vigilante called a hitman. I suppose, if we're talking about flavor spec, why would mafia have paparazzi? Most mafias don't want publicity for their actions. I think he could potentially be a good candidate for casting the hammer lynch.

Leehar- this comes down to whether we think we would have 2 killing roles. Honestly, I think Leehar has probably done more harm than good, but I'm not necessarily going to hold his actions against him. If he says he didn't use his night action last night, then all we have to do is wait for the night 4 scene. If we see any kills that imply some sort of poisoning, lynch him.

So to conclude, I think that Mob should hammer sparticus and test both the bomb and the paparazzi claim. To set MoB up for the hammer, I will

vote sparticus

[SPARTACUS1974]

take a look at this safari like said only kill the people who target me at night i dont know how to do links but http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bomb

[MoB Deadly]

Im fine with that idea.

However if you are silenced tomorrow do you lose your ability to vote as well or just talk? We may need your vote tomorrow, thats all I am worried about.

[SPARTACUS1974]

so as you can see it does Not save me from being lynched at all but it does stop scum from trying to kill me at night so as a fake claim it would be no use at all lol

[MoB Deadly]

hmmm about sparticus' role. Im not sure

[jak111]

Vote Sparticus Pretty obvious why and to help safari with his hammer plan.

[dazza2008]

My point with MoB was more that the roles are pretty much the same and on the same site. Not that he called it the wrng name just they are on the same site. Along with a lot of other roles he used in our clan game.

I do not trust a few of these claims but MoB's is the scummiest in my eyes.

I am really worried about Safari saying whaere he is hiding because the scum have an easy double kill there.

[jak111]

Well then safari will just have to not hide behind him. But either way, we gotta get something figured out within the next 24 hrs.

[jgordon1111]

everywhere I did vote, you missed it. begining of the day as soon as I saw the scene with codie.

and again I caution against a speed lynch with no supporting evidence. Use your night actions instead, you got to send somebody down to see where you stand, I have already said lynch me and I stand by it.

But then use your night actions with the info you feel make the person that stands out the scummiest.

[MoB Deadly]

My point with MoB was more that the roles are pretty much the same and on the same site. Not that he called it the wrng name just they are on the same site. Along with a lot of other roles he used in our clan game.

I do not trust a few of these claims but MoB's is the scummiest in my eyes.

I am really worried about Safari saying whaere he is hiding because the scum have an easy double kill there.

Oh really? Here is the role list I used, so everyone has the same info as dazza. Im glad you know my source of the roles I get.

Setup:
Doctor
Desperado (infinite shots, but shoots town, he kills also kills himself)
Flavor Cop (given 3 possible results, all closely related, multiple alignments)
Mayor (upon publicly revealing, all votes count as 2, doc cant heal)
Day Vigi (1 shot, publicly declares action)
Commuter (odd nights)
JOAT (investigate, Track or Watch) (infinite any choice)
Elite Bodyguard (dies, kills attacker, unless bulletproof)
Oracle (upon death, player targeted gets role-revealed)
Nexus ( 3 uses)

Witch (players notified, wins with any group but town.)

Godfather (bulletproof, undetectable)
Mafia Tracker
Mafia Framer

Serial Killer (bulletproof, undetectable)

Amnesiac (players notified)

Listing all the abnormal ones:
Desperado - I honestly cannot refind this role. I do not know where I found it, but its on the internet somewhere lol. NOT ON EPIC MAFIA or mafiascum.
Flavor Cop - Got that from SC2mafia - its called an investigator there. http://wiki.sc2mafia.com/index.php/Investigator I had to google to figure out it was called something else.
Mayor - Also SC2 Mafia = http://wiki.sc2mafia.com/index.php/Mayor
Oracle - skipping that for now.
Nexus - Mikeburnsfire

Witch - Also SC2 Mafia - http://wiki.sc2mafia.com/index.php/Witch

Amnesiac - Also SC2 Mafia - http://wiki.sc2mafia.com/index.php/Amnesiac

Not saying these roles are in epic mafia or mafia scum, but its interesting they are in sc2mafia, which does not have a lot of roles at all.

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Now for the oracle..
The ONLY reason I found it, is because TFO replied to me in the discussions forum. If he never said that post I would of never of found it.

One setup i've played before that is done well, is called the Wolf Hunter, and it's TvMvW. You have 4 Gunsmiths (A role that hands out guns, the guns have a 50% chance of revealing who shot it or not), 1 Oracle (Oracle picks 1 person at night, if the oracle dies, that person's role is revealed), a Vigil, 2 Werewolves, and a Thief (Non-killing mafia role that steals items).

Added role descriptions, because i'm unsure if they are used here >.>

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I understand this is all WIFOM, but Dazza is using my "picking of roles while modding" thinking that is how I "pick roles while fakeclaiming". I feel like I needed to address that I didnt even use that website for picking out roles.

[everywhere116]

everywhere I did vote, you missed it. begining of the day as soon as I saw the scene with codie.

and again I caution against a speed lynch with no supporting evidence. Use your night actions instead, you got to send somebody down to see where you stand, I have already said lynch me and I stand by it.

But then use your night actions with the info you feel make the person that stands out the scummiest.

Can't vote for yourself except to hammer.

[jgordon1111]

Ah ok, did not know that. thank you