Get Rich from the Bank [5/12] Town Wins!

[Leitz]

Can you confirm if you targeted PCM Day 1?

I did not target PCM.

Leitz I never said you were "mafia" 2 night kills a night would be OP. However it is possible you are a Serial Killer. I have personally make the Serial Killer immune to investigations in several of my modded games.

I request a full name claim from you, we need an explanation why your weapon of choice is a knife.

If I were serial killer, how do you explain only one player got killed in N1?

[MoB Deadly]

I quoted it in an earlier post. PCM was targeted by 2 different players.

[Iron Butterfly]

I would be interested to hear from Leharr about his role. How did he revive. What is his win condition?

[catnipdreams]

I would be interested to hear from Leharr about his role. How did he revive. What is his win condition?

Yes, I would like to know this as well.

Because of all the pressure that catnip & I should reveal our roles, I've decided to do so but not completely: I'll admit at killing jonty.

Could you explain why you chose Jonty as your target?

I am waiting on a PM from the mod to clarify something that I do not understand, and then I will be able to add more to this discussion.

[MoB Deadly]

Hes not allowed to specifically say his win condition, but he can claim Town Mafia or Third party, but no copying and pasting

[MoB Deadly]

Neither of you have anything to comment about Leitz?

[Iron Butterfly]

Neither of you have anything to comment about Leitz?

Im not sure what they can say.

We know we have two killers, one of wich has been revealed. IF we do have two anti town killers how do we take them both out today with 100% assurance. Sundog could take out Lietz if Sundog is telling the truth.

We can only know if Sundog is telling the truth if he uses his ability. We can only take out two people today if he uses his ability.

I completely overlooked the serial killer/knife aspect. It appears that PCM was targeted by two folks. I was strong on the busdriver theory, which I beleive is not possible now. I had depended on there being one death from bad guys and one from Town. Now I am not so sure.

Sundog thought Mob and I were killers. Both of us can not be. If Sundogs ability is real we need to know if Lietz is Town or killer.
Worst case scenario is both turn Town, which would leave 4 of us, 2 Town and 1 killer plus deuce. If duece is VT or survivor he can only win by joining Town as Cat and I would outnumber Mob.

Personaly I think Sundog is lieing as his ability is pretty useless in helping Town given the setup.

[Leitz]

Could you explain why you chose Jonty as your target?

He was mafia.

... If Sundogs ability is real we need to know if Lietz is Town or killer.

Town.

[Iron Butterfly]

Could you explain why you chose Jonty as your target?

He was mafia.

... If Sundogs ability is real we need to know if Lietz is Town or killer.

Town.

In Lietz's defense. A serial killers win condition is to be last man standing. They play alone. I dind it hard to beleive we would have 2 seperate third party factions plus mafia playing.

[MoB Deadly]

IB have you ever ever EVER heard of a town aligned player who kills people with a knife? I challenge you to find any mafia role whatsoever. Actually anyone can search, I will tell you that it simply does not exist.

Leitz needs to fully claim to make it easier to google search. Or continue to stall as you try to fudge a claim

By assumption Sundog is mafia until he proves his townness by killing Letiz

Leitz is a serial killer. GG town wins if we can actually think about facts

[Iron Butterfly]

IB have you ever ever EVER heard of a town aligned player who kills people with a knife? I challenge you to find any mafia role whatsoever. Actually anyone can search, I will tell you that it simply does not exist.

Leitz needs to fully claim to make it easier to google search. Or continue to stall as you try to fudge a claim

By assumption Sundog is mafia until he proves his townness by killing Letiz

Leitz is a serial killer. GG town wins if we can actually think about facts

Here is the problem. if Sundog is lieing we will need to vote to lynch lietz. If Sundog is lieing he has no ability and he certianly wont help, which means we can only lynch with Deuce.

Unvote Vote Lietz

[Leehar]

Somebody wants to lynch me, woot wait?!

Otherwise, I'm confirming I'm here, and will read a bit more and come back to the discussion a bit later. I don't want to say too much to make a blooper and then kill my game before it even begins

[Leitz]

IB have you ever ever EVER heard of a town aligned player who kills people with a knife? I challenge you to find any mafia role whatsoever. Actually anyone can search, I will tell you that it simply does not exist.

Leitz needs to fully claim to make it easier to google search. Or continue to stall as you try to fudge a claim

By assumption Sundog is mafia until he proves his townness by killing Letiz

Leitz is a serial killer. GG town wins if we can actually think about facts

It does exist, I am proof: I am “Ex-CIA Agent” Town JOAT

[Iron Butterfly]

IB have you ever ever EVER heard of a town aligned player who kills people with a knife? I challenge you to find any mafia role whatsoever. Actually anyone can search, I will tell you that it simply does not exist.

Leitz needs to fully claim to make it easier to google search. Or continue to stall as you try to fudge a claim

By assumption Sundog is mafia until he proves his townness by killing Letiz

Leitz is a serial killer. GG town wins if we can actually think about facts

It does exist, I am proof: I am “Ex-CIA Agent” Town JOAT

If we are to beleive you you need to disclose all your abilities and weather you used any.

LOL I am not sure who to beleive anymore BUT there is still the issue of the "knife kill"

weather Lietz is telling the truth or lieing does not matter for the moment. What matters is if Sundog can do as he claims.
If he can we can endgame by killing lietz. If he can and does we lynch Mob.

[Leitz]

I have 4 different abilities that I can use only once. I investigated jonty in N1, he came back guilty. I decided not to claim/tell so I could follow his actions up during D2 to see who his scum buddies were. I had my eyes on zimmah & Rodion. That is why I went for the zimmah case. I then killed jonty in N2 because I thought it was best that mafia didn't get too strong compared to town. I still have two abilities left: 1 role block & 1 doctor.

[MoB Deadly]

sundog wont be able to end game - there is still mafia out tehre. if letiz is lying, he is a SK who is third-party not Mafia. We would need a claim from catnip on Day 4 to decide between... but I feel like both sundogs and leitz claim are both very suspect we can save catnip for tomorrow. It comes down to who do you believe is more reasonable/possible.

a "Suicidal Hero - Town Martyr"
I have never heard of a town martyr before, and through lengthy searches I cant find it. I found a couple, but not at all with the powers sundog suggested. I know I have been super picky about the Quotations, but look at even Leitz' no one else quoted their entire name. Its always "Character Role" Alignment - Role, Sundog quoted the whole thing. Both of those facts make me think it's fake.

or

"Ex-CIA Agent" Town JOAT - He has been spoonfeeding us little info at a time not giving us the whole claim. It is possible JOAT's would have a killing power, however I have never ever seen a JOAT, or even moreso ANY town aligned player kill with a knife. We have to look at on Night 1 PCM was targeted by two characters, even though Leitz says he did not target PCM I am pretty sure he is lying and he did. It's no coincidence that on Night 2 there were 2 kills.


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Todo:
Leitz needs to fully claim any and all information, no more holding back
We need input from Leehar - and I am praying you are town.
Also need input from Catnip again about recent events
Need to know if Sundog is willing to use his power on Leitz sometime during day today
Decide as a group if that is what we want to do

Its going to be hard for anyone to convince me to lynch anyone but sundog or leitz today. I feel like Leitz is the safer kill, I believe him a lot less than Sundog, but if Sundog refuses to use his power, he is 100% lying and he is most likely the last mafia and we can lynch Leitz tomorrow


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[MoB Deadly]

I have 4 different abilities that I can use only once. I investigated jonty in N1, he came back guilty. I decided not to claim/tell so I could follow his actions up during D2 to see who his scum buddies were. I had my eyes on zimmah & Rodion. That is why I went for the zimmah case. I then killed jonty in N2 because I thought it was best that mafia didn't get too strong compared to town. I still have two abilities left: 1 role block & 1 doctor.

Thats very convincing, but someone needs a legit theory/explanation on why PCM was targeted by 2 players, before I can believe it. If you are telling the truth we can definitely win with you.

[MoB Deadly]

Any flavor on why the hell you use a knife?

[Leitz]

Any flavor on why the hell you use a knife?

Nope, nothing at all. I understand your concern about the knife thing, but I have no idea how I kill: knife/gun/beat to death/sniper/bazooka/...

About N1: I'm telling you I investigated jonty. His D1 protective behavior over zimmah made me investigate him. I have no idea how PCM got targeted twice, but I can guarantee you I wasn't one of them.

[catnipdreams]

I have the answer to my question that I asked the mod; now I would like to hear from Leehar before I add anything more to this, but I do have some things to say BEFORE we kill anyone!

[Iron Butterfly]

Somebody wants to lynch me, woot wait?!

Otherwise, I'm confirming I'm here, and will read a bit more and come back to the discussion a bit later. I don't want to say too much to make a blooper and then kill my game before it even begins

It seems he is playing the same game as Deuce was. Im not sure if he is post restricted. Why would he say "somebody wants to lynch me, woot wait?!"

Once again Leehar just like Deuce before him is an Emigma. I do not think we will get more from him. Leehar has been following the game. Don't for a moment think that he hasn't.

[Leitz]

I'm starting to think catnip might not be as town aligned as we are expecting her to be.

[catnipdreams]

I'm starting to think catnip might not be as town aligned as we are expecting her to be.

If I wasn't town, I would have been fine with anybody getting killed, the more the merrier...

[Leehar]

I have the answer to my question that I asked the mod; now I would like to hear from Leehar before I add anything more to this, but I do have some things to say BEFORE we kill anyone!

What would you like to hear my dear?

As I said, without reading any more of the 35+ pages I haven't read just yet, I'm not sure what to say that would resolve everything nicely, but without getting into any details, let me assuage everyone's concerns that while I'm not sure if I can state my win condition as asked previously, my aim is very much to help the blue people...

Otherwise, I've only read the last 2 or so pages, and from what I understand there's a lot of uncertainty over pancake? Perhaps it would help if we knew a bit more about his role?

[catnipdreams]

What would you like to hear my dear?

After all the abuse I have tolerated in this game, your words are music to my ears, Leehar. ♥

I would like you to fully claim your role, please.