StorrZerg wrote:His last statement about preparing a case as to push jonty over himself was 7 hours ago.
Yes, I do have a life Storr, and I apologize that I cannot be on my laptop every 7 hours. I had family matters to attend to, and I figured that the game could wait a little bit. But before I begin...
StorrZerg wrote:James regarding why he didnt check me.
I was going to try and push a case on you to get you to claim, so it made no sense to waste a night action on something that would be gained the next day. Looks like everyone else pitched in with that.
Seems like if he checked me he would have gotten confirmed information to either damn me or save me. He could have even proven if my claim was false. Once a mafia is dead form a day 1 lynch, why the heck don't you check your number 1 suspect.
As I said, I had a feeling you would be getting heat day two. And I turned out to be right. If you want me to check you tonight, I'll waste my action on it. But I, nor anyone else in their right mind, would like that, especially since I may be the only investigative role for town.
And besides- Day 1 is always a complete shot in the dark, no pun intended. I'll try to pick someone who doesn't die tonight I guess?
And now onto my case for Jonty. I'll be going through all of his posts and nitpicking it for details. Normally it isn't something I like to do, but Storr, you want me to do it to prove my innocence so I will.
jonty125 wrote:StorrZerg's vote is seriously rubbish,
StorrZerg wrote:Now virus failed to read OP
this makes me think he is scum
reading the OP and been scum are independent of each other. so my vote is now a serious vote on Zerg.
Also, virus' comment was a joke before D1 started, so in my eyes, you can't read anything from it, and I believe that by trying to construct a case from said post is scummy.
Defense of virus, one of the first to do it- I don't believe he ever got questioned over that as hard as I did by you, Storr.
jonty125 wrote:StorrZerg wrote:Reasoning was 2 part jonty. I'd hardly consider outing someone as a role with your first post a joke.
See, I disagree that virus outed spiesr, I think spiesr was just confirming in a different way.
Which means to me your case has no merit whatsoever - hence useless to talk about - hence you should be lynched for bringing a case with no merit.
In other news, mtam said he used fake votes to trap people, I find using fake votes allows scum to vote scummily and backtrack, so I dislike them (fake votes) and find them that use them scummy.
Hard to get reads from this- however, a continued agreement with Virus and a debate against confirmed town doesn't look good.
jonty125 wrote:unvote, vote Virus for scummarining and as a 1-shot vig, you wouldn't shoot N1, even if you were outed, and also claiming a killing role seems a very easy fakeclaim for mafia (granted this is WIFOM) but the scummarining is the main point.
Quick Point of View change, and no explanation besides switch of opinion on the argument why he thinks Storr is clear. Definitely strange, but maybe not scummy. Open for interpretation
jonty125 wrote:OK looking back virus hasn't scummarined. His laying low comment caught my eyes as scummarining.
And Streaker, I put him at L-1, with a claim on the board, there is nothing wrong with that, I aren't looking for a fast lynch, if I had hammered him I would understand your case but as of now I don't. Also, yes I changed my opinion on virus but the game changes with time, and the case on virus changed in that time, so naturally my opinion changes.
... And a half explanation to my previous point. Weak, but I'll try to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Is the first line admission to skimming?
jonty125 wrote:I have to agree Storr was incredibly scummy towards the D1, and the fact that we was protecting mafia cannot be ignored.
Also, I believe the cult recruiter in the scene either tried to target PGO/Mafia/SK, not vig.
vote StorrZerg
Here's something I can work with.
We are now back to Storr. At first it was because he was pushing Virus, now it was because he was "protecting" Virus, and soon there will be some other crazy reason. Weak argument on my end, but when you can't even get your own reasoning straight, how are you supposed to do it with someone else's?
Also, while it seems clear that Hotshot approached someone other than Virus, killing him, speculation on the fact to "guide the game" in a different direction could be interpreted as anti-town.
jonty125 wrote:Storr, you're at L-2, it's very unlikely people are going to unvote, until you claim. Also Storr, I disagree with you claiming town creds because tambo thought you were town because he had a "town mindset", that doesn't mean he's infallible and also that Newbie Mafia, there were lots of players there with town mindsets, and yet the mafia weren't lynched. Also, the I'd never kill Tambo, doesn't do anything for me, it sounds like the kind of thing I hear when I play mafia with my mates and the lynch is based on weak cases and it's all a laugh and a joke.
In reference to me putting Storr @ L-1IB wrote:you just don't jump in and put someone at L1 before they claim. That has been CC mafia protocol forever.
L-2/L-1 are very similar IB at this stage of the game we're not at LYLO, if someone had speed-hammered Storr after his claim - then we would have an easy D3 suspect.
Do I honestly believe you[Storr] were protecting virus? At the end of D1, yes. If you want me to give some reads Storr, you're probably gonna be disappointed but I like to keep everyone close or on neutral, unless they do extreme things (as that way I can try to keep an open mind)
So I currently see pcm & mets, as leaning slightly town, that D1 argument smelt town on town but it could verily easily not have been. And everyone else I'm keeping at neutral.
Failing to give reads is for sure scummy. "Staying neutral" to avoid making enemies and having to claim is definitely a problem. Plus, it keeps you from having to take a fall or any pressure for any misconceptions you may have provided.
jonty125 wrote:A couple of questions Storr.
You targetted yourself N1, does that mean if you die on any night information on the killer will show up in the day post? Or is it one night only you have to target the soon to be deceased on the same night as there death?
Also, do you have any idea what information you would receive?
Not sure what to make of this. Could be mafia trying to figure out the power of the role if he were to kill it, or town trying to verify the claim.
jonty125 wrote:Iron Butterfly wrote:It is standard play here at CC that mafia shoots and serial killers chop or kill.
Is it? I have never used that in the few games I have modded.
I am content with lynching virus today & I didn't jump on "suddenly" on D2, I did vote you early on D1, but then virus claimed. (or at least that is how I remember it).
Another example of guiding with role possibilities. No reads on second part.
jonty125 wrote:Streaker wrote:jonty125 wrote:
You targetted yourself N1, does that mean if you die on any night information on the killer will show up in the day post? Or is it one night only you have to target the soon to be deceased on the same night as there death?
Also, do you have any idea what information you would receive?
This is clearly, if ever, fishing. If I was mafia, I would want to know exactly this. Storr also already noticed this on his next post. ''Can we kill you this night, Storr, without giving information to town?'' ''Or do we go for someone else''?
... Now jonty, I would very much like to hear a reason for your fishing that much detail about Storr's power.
I wouldn't quite call it fishing, but I am information on the role because I was at the time unsure of what it did because I've never seen Crier before. Also, I wanted all the facts before I decided if Storr's role, was worth keeping alive. Now I have more information, I don't think it is.
Iron Butterfly wrote:We have played many games with mafia double voters
I can't think of "many" off the top of my head or even any but this is a balance not included, maybe I shouldn't of put him at L-1.
L-2, I'll claim. I'm Edgar Gries-Town Fumigator. It's kinda of like a super jailkeeper. In that every night I target someone and they get a bulletproof vest, and they are roleblocked until the vest is removed by a kill attempt. N1 I targetted DJFireside, because he was quiet.
What the heck is a Fumigator? I've never heard of that, and a Google search wasn't helpful whatsoever. I don't want to speculate too much into this, but if DJ turns up mafia, we definitely need to crack down on Jonty over this. But I will leave it until then.
jonty125 wrote:spiesr wrote:Interesting. Can the target voluntarily remove the protection/block, and can you have it on multiple players at once?
Not that I'm aware of and yes.
unvote, vote James randomly confessing that you were at the scene of the crime. That's not town play. And for clarity. I'd still like Virus lynched.
He definitely skimmed over my posts, and for the few that I had at that point I would definitely hope that everyone read them. Virus-Storr mistake is understandable, but the vote is not. However, until I get my name cleared, I guess this won't be looked into much.
Vote Jonty125. I can only hope others would do the same. I might not be the best at presenting or creating arguments, but when I have to do reads on a guy who has been playing for years and I'm on the hotseat... Guess who's at a huge disadvantage.
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