****Looney Land Heist**** -- End ~ Abandoned, Revisit Later

[wicked]

.... save his ass!

oh wait, I just answered my own question....

[Phobia]

if there are locked roles in this, i would think andy would pick new ones to do make it different, there might a chance theres a vigliante here, but its most likely going to have new twists and roles

hmm lets look at the possiblities. if rk is cop, then he would either be killed off the next day or he wont be to make us think that he is mafia (because mafia wont kill themselves...) theres a lot of things mafia could do and we need to think through it carefully...

anyway, i think mach said that his aim was "Win Condition: All instigators of the heist must be eliminated. " i got this message too, so either the mafia know that we got this message, or mach is in fact a townie. so im not going to vote for mach because i doubt andy would randomly give the mafia the aim we got...

[sully800]

That is a good point sully you were the cop last game is what Rev said the same as what you received last game?

Yeah, I'm just going to forget RK's response to my inquiry because it doesn't matter anyway.

I received 5 investigation results from Andy last time (well 4 really because RK poisoned me once). They ALL looked similar, and none look like what RK just posted.

The second I saw RK's post it looked like a forgery to me. Initially I typed up a description of hwo Andy responded to my investigations, but I think its better to leave that unknown. That way we can test anyone else who claims to be a cop in this game.

Perhaps Andy just changed his style, but this looks like a fake cop to me.

Why would RK do this? Well if he is mafia and wicked is innocent then he would have known wicked was innocent and thought he might gain her as a clear believer. If they are both mafia then she would have been in on the plan, and they might think they'd both appear innocent by trying this.

Either way, it makes sense for Rev Kyle to do this simply to save his ass.

If everyone seems to agree with this thinking I will change my vote to RK, but as I said a few pages ago, I don't like changing my votes willy nilly because it makes things difficult for Andy.

[moz976]

Well with the information you gave sully it makes me think that rev might be trying to save himself.
And it's hard to say where that leaves wicked but I quess we will find out soon enough though.
If everyone thinks Rev is a fake I will change my vote back to him. I thought his game play thus far had been very shifty

[sully800]

anyway, i think mach said that his aim was "Win Condition: All instigators of the heist must be eliminated. " i got this message too, so either the mafia know that we got this message, or mach is in fact a townie. so im not going to vote for mach because i doubt andy would randomly give the mafia the aim we got...

Well that's why I asked and I was hoping for Mach to respond with the exact quote. It doesn't matter now though since you just stated it.

In the last game my win condition was: "Win Condition: All aides and instigators of the invasion must be eliminated.

And mach had the same win condition because he was a townie. You had the same one too Phobia so you can check yourself.

This time my win condition was exactly like you said: Win Condition: All instigators of the heist must be eliminated.

Earlier in this thread mach said his win condition

And my win condition is that all aides and instigators of the heist must be eliminated.

I wasn't sure if he just paraphrased it from memory or not. If so that might explain the melding of the two win condtions.

HOWEVER, mach might have tried to fake this win condition (which would make sense especially since he told the truth last time- it makes him stating his win condition more believable). If he did fake it, he was smart enough to change "invasion" to "heist" but he didn't know that Andy left out the word "aides" this time.

It could be an honest mistake, and its nothing concrete but my suspicion of Mach just increased 10 fold.

[sully800]

See how much more information we get when we talk?

Now imagine how well people will be able to use the information once a few are knocked off!

[wicked]

wait a sec, how do we know that you are not lying sully? I'm still suspicious of you just b/c of your association with Mach. I'm on the fence here, so won't change my vote just yet. I'm travelling today, so won't be back on until tonight.

[AK_iceman]

Wow, lots of new info. Good job guys.

I'm going to stay with my vote on Rev, especially after hearing sully say that it looked like a fake. If the doctor believes him and tries to protect him then its just a waste because it seems he will be protecting mafia.

As moz said, I dont know where that leaves wicked, but for now Rev seems the most guilty.

Mach also is beginning to look suspicious. I believed him for the most part up until you guys noticed his win condition was different then the others.
My win condition is Win Condition: All instigators of the heist must be eliminated.
No aides in this one either. He appears to be faking a townie role along with RK.
Perhaps he just tried to remember it, but along with him giving his name last, and now the different win condition for a townie, its starting to build up.

[sully800]

Wow, lots of new info. Good job guys.

I'm going to stay with my vote on Rev, especially after hearing sully say that it looked like a fake. If the doctor believes him and tries to protect him then its just a waste because it seems he will be protecting mafia.

As moz said, I dont know where that leaves wicked, but for now Rev seems the most guilty.

Mach also is beginning to look suspicious. I believed him for the most part up until you guys noticed his win condition was different then the others.
My win condition is Win Condition: All instigators of the heist must be eliminated.
No aides in this one either. He appears to be faking a townie role along with RK.
Perhaps he just tried to remember it, but along with him giving his name last, and now the different win condition for a townie, its starting to build up.

Agreed on all accounts.

[Phobia]

wow, i never realised mach included aides when everyone else hasnt! that sounds very suspicious, i thought he said just instigators (i should really start looking back properly now )

[moz976]

Well I'm glad so much information has come out it's hard to beleive this is day one. Mach has made himself very suspisous but right now I think the most suspisios is Rev. His apparent false claim on being a cop and the fact that I have seen him online recently without posting anymore makes me beleive he is guilty and doesn't have anything else that will help him. Which is kind of what happened to me last game.

So I will be voting Rev

this lynching/night should give us a lot of information to work with on the next day.

[sully800]

Perhaps Rev hasn't posted because he's trying to talk to fellow mafia members before speaking but still reading along? I don't really know how the mafia works since I haven't played their side...

Anyway, our time is running thin. I am unsure about Rev because he was mafia last game and started out this time acting very differently. However as moz said his game play has been shifty throughout- talkative in the beggining, then quiet, then accusatory again, now quiet. Could just be a coincidence, I don't know...

unvote wicked

vote Rev Kyle

[sully800]

For the folks counting, I believe that makes 5.

Moz, myself, AK, MB and jaydog.

I'm still a bit worried though. RK did say a view times "I can't say why I don't suspect wicked" before saying he was the cop. So if we're wrong, don't think I made up the fact that his PM looks forged!

My feelings in this game are constantly shifting. Mood swings are a bitch

[moz976]

That is actually 6 FP voted for rev a page back at the top.

[Machiavelli]

I have some very important info coming in a minute, I just re read part of one page and I nee to read it all before I post.

[Machiavelli]

I really thought that it wa s against the rules to quote the mod (IT is in most mafia games) but apparently here it is not so here is my role that Andy sent to me...

Machiavelli
You are Yosemite Sam. You are Pro-Town. Before the heist in Looney Land, you could often be seen shooting your pistols into the air while cheering and jeering quite loudly. You were a rambunctious little devil of all bluff and bluster. You wanted nothing more in life other than to catch that varmint Bugs Bunny. Unfortunately Bugsy found your one weakness—your inability to step down from a challenge. Late in one duel Bugsy drew a line in the sand and dared you to ‘step across this line’. With an outburst puff of your chest and macho manliness flowing, you stepped across that line—and fell straight into a mine shaft breaking both your legs. But being the tough guy you were, you dusted yourself off and realigned your bones and proceeded to climb out. Ever since that accident, you’ve spent most of your money on a campaign as a public advocate to fill in old mine shafts no longer in use. Now that the heist has happened in Looney Land, you’ve been unable to live up to your campaign promises due to the lack of funds coming in. You need to get to the bottom of the WB vault heist, to protect and serve the community of Looney Land. Due to your experience with firearms, you are also a Cop. Each night you may investigate one suspect who you think perpetrated the vault heist. PM me with the name of a player and you will know if they’ve had a hand in the heist or not (Townie).
Win Condition: All aides and instigators of the heist must be eliminated.



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Make sure to check out the thread for more info and rules. Delete this message at your own risk.


--Andy

As you can see, it does hint that Bugs is behind the mafia. Maybe I am reading to far into this but I think that Andy was giving me a clue.

I stand by the fact that my win condition says "aides" you are correct in the fact that last game my win condition said "aides" too. I had a special role then and I have a special role now. Maybe regular townies have slightly different win conditions then the mafia do, maybe Andy just had a little variation, I don't really know.


I'm sure that you are all wondering who I investigated. Many of you may have guessed, I investigated Sully800

Here is Andy's reply...

sully800 did NOT have a hand in the heist.


--Andy

Andy replied to me in the exact same way that he replied to Rev, which tells me that Revis NOT lying.

Because having two cops would give a huge advantage to the town, I believe that either Rev or I are either "insane," "random" or "gullible."

A gullible cop will find everyone innocent.

A random cop also really has no power. Basically Andy flips a coin, heads means he tells the cop guilty tails equals innocent.

An insane cop will find people to be the opposite of what they are. So if someone is guilty, they will be found innocent.


I advise you not to lynch kyle.

[Master Bush]

Everyone suspects Rev and Mach of being Mafia, and as soon as everyone starts to vote for Rev, it's Mach that comes to his aid? The question is, how do we know that Mach isn't lying as well, just to save his mafia partner? They both know the cop doesn't want to come forward, being that the mafia will for sure kill him/her off the next night, so they can both can get away with lying.

The only problem is, Kyle could still be lying but really be a townie. Either way his saving his own butt. And it's mudding the waters here.

[Fireside Poet]

Is it me or did the game just get compromised?

[Master Bush]

Yea, I am thinking the samething. If that's what we're gonna do, then why not just get everyone to post their PMs from Andy, and the 3 that dont, we'll know they are mafia. I'm pretty sure posting your role PM is against the rules.

[AndyDufresne]

Vote Count

• reverend_kyle - (jaydog, master bush, ak_iceman, Fireside Poet, moz976, sully800, )
• wicked - (mach, marv)
• Machiavelli - (Telvannia, wicked)
• Ak_iceman - (Reverend)
  
  
• Not Voting, everyone else

7 Total Votes are needed to Lynch a Toon (or take away the power)

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Also, voting for replacement of Telvannia (see bottom page 25). Please vote for replacement or not, otherwise a random mod kill may ensue as punishment.

• Phobia
• Wicked
• Mach
• sully800
• Master Bush
• Ak_Iceman
• Bogusbet
• moz976

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--Andy
(P.S. Hope I didn't miss any votes!)

[AndyDufresne]

Announcement:

I'm sorry to say this is one detail I over looked, while writing up the rules and game. Perhaps I thought no one would do it, or perhaps I simply forgot it, most likely a little of both. It is a mistake on my part, and I am sorry for that. As for quoting PM's I should have made a mention that no quoting can be done, to keep such 'compromises' from happening. So, I will leave it up to all those playing, on what to do.

• Continue on with the game, with the new rule of no directly quoting pms from the mod.
  
• Abandon the game (perhaps coming back to a changed variant of it months from now).
  
• Alternate (Suggest something else)

I'm currently suspending lynch vote counts, until there is a consenus on what will be done.


--Andy

[Master Bush]

Vote Count

[*]reverend_kyle - (jaydog, reverend, ak_iceman, Fireside Poet, moz976, sully800, )
[*]wicked - (mach, marv)
[*]Machiavelli - (Telvannia, wicked)
[*]Ak_iceman - (Reverend)
[*]No Lynch - (Fireside Poet)

I doubt Rev voted for himself. That should said Master Bush Andy.

[Master Bush]

And you have Poet down for Rev and No Lynch

[AndyDufresne]

Tough to follow without unvotes and so many votes.


--Andy

[Master Bush]

Understandable. That's what I'm here for!