Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[UltrasPlot]

Also, in case it wasn't clear, Virus dies both ways.

[crasp]

Storr has already asked but are you the only person virus can save or is he some kind of reviver.

[StorrZerg]

Need to explain more mate. Why does he die if you are lynched

[rishaed]

Vote Count:

Pancakemix (1) - Zivel
Streaker (1) - Virus90
Virus90 (2) - Hotshot53, Storrzerg
Storrzerg (1) - Anarkistsdream
Ultrasplot (6) - Pancakemix, Streaker, Ultrasplot, Whatsausage, ArmyofGod, dd515087
Anarkistsdream (1) - Strikewolf

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is Nov. 8th. I believe this is correct.. Notify me if i missed something.
Also enjoying the activity. More periods like this would be nice.

[anamainiacks]

I'm back, and there have certainly been some major developments since I left...

My immediate thoughts are that 1 of the pairs of lovers should be scum... otherwise mafia would easily diminish town numbers with some lucky guessing, and mislynches. Though there does seem like there might be safety mechanisms in place where a lover doesn't necessarily die if his lover is killed - which I'm wondering why isn't revealed to the lovers themselves, but it is what it is. So yes, in this does seem possible that all 3 pairs are town lovers, but it might be imbalenced if there aren't any scum lovers thrown into the mix as well.

ZIVEL
Of the 3 claims, I do trust Zivel's counterclaim the most. If he were scum and didn't have the knowledge that there was a 3rd lover pair out there, it would've been a pretty gutsy move to CC and have the lynched pair turn town - the town would definitely turn on him for the next vote. So at this point I trust Zivel to be town.

DD
If dd were scum, he could well have kept quiet and let Ultra be quickly mislynched based on Zivel's counterclaim, as it seemed to be going. In this scenario, Zivel could've been mislynched next since his CC would've ensured Ultra's lynch. So it seems like claiming like dd did isn't the most natural scum play, though dd could still have done it in an attempt to gain town cred for him and his scum buddy in the long run. I'm still neutral towards dd. One thing that strikes me about dd's claimed lover pairing is that Zivel and the Ultra/Virus lover pairings seem to be allowed to talk in the day, whereas dd can only talk to his lover at night. Why the difference in this? Could the lovers mechanic work differently for him because they're a mafia lover pair?

ZIVEL AND/OR DD?
Another alternative is that Zivel and dd are scum buddies with a day QT and plotted this whole thing - but I think this line of thought can be put to sleep by the fact that Zivel and dd provided different information about talking during the day, which draws too much attention to both of them. And as a whole if they were scum buddies, this would be a bad play, attracting lots of attention on both of them going into Day 2. So I'm ruling this out. Of course the possibility that both are town is still strong - but between the two, I'm more inclined to think Zivel is town.

ULTRA/VIRUS
Going for Ultra and having virus sacrifice himself in his place does seem like a good way to get a confirmed townie and keep from losing 2 townies in a day. But are there any scenarios where scum abilities would allow them to avoid a lynch, and gain powers that would outweigh the loss of another scum buddy? (We don't know if there's a janitor out there that might keep the information of Virus' death from the town.) I think it's unlikely?

Can we please have Ultras' and Virus' full character and role claims, along with how exactly Virus' saving mechanic works? Virus also seemed to think that Ultra had the same ability to save him from the lynch, but Ultra says otherwise. Looking at flavour might help us decipher some of this.

[StorrZerg]

someone wanna talk about something other than lovers right now

kinda wanna do something, and i don't wanna continue the discussion on lovers till more questions are answered. (well more like im waiting for responses to continue that)

tambo. your playing weak sauce

anark was full of crap earlier in the game. Claiming to have lots of experience playing with me. Which is actually
Day 1 of breaking bad, both town alignment (he was lynched day 1, i died n2)
And the full game of werewolves, (i was the 2nd mafia party) and he was town.

Multiple games with his name as Storr and his previous name which escapes me at the moment... He wasn't always StorrZerg here, and, if you didn't know that, then it proves that I have the experience.

specifically this quote is funky. I was "x-stor-x" in the first game, "breaking bad" which was only about half of day 1 iirc. It was switched, and that was the only that game, not to mention him knowing about a name change and having 2 games of experience with me, i wouldn't say he should be boasting about that to tambo.

So then why are you asking? We have played tons of games together... Sounds to me like there is a significant conflict of interest in you two defending or harassing each other at all as you two DO know each other... That makes me even less likely to trust your arguments toward one another.

I'm assuming anarks comment is about, himself and myself playing. again "tons" when its actually 2 games. is strange.

i'm interested in his response, on the situation.

Not to mention, a re look at him is in order, yes he has been busy, and he has promised he will get some content up.


@TFO where you at man....
Its tomorrow... and i see nothing from you....Please refrain from most of your content being about lovers(unless you have something new to add)

[StorrZerg]

Where'd he check in?

this is weird as hell.... if you are a lover with someone, and havn't posted in the thread, one would think you might have had contact with your lover...

So this seems odd as to why ultra missed it. So @ultra why is it that you didnt know he was posting? Certainly he would have been talking to you since he had such a long absence in making a presence in the thread... is this a valid assumption?

[StorrZerg]

Postby UltrasPlot on Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:26 pm

(Also, we decided to call each other scummy to avoid having to claim Lovers...)

He essentially forced me because it looked like scum supporting scum.

which would force us to claim

which would be bad...

aage your vote is still on virus

This is a strange post in regarding to the bold and green.
Postby UltrasPlot on Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:58 pm

also FoS Virus, feel like he's trying to set me up for something =/

virus view on ultra
Postby virus90 on Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:04 pm

Ultra is pointing on a no lynch for arguments i think are valid, although i dont agree. so basicly i dont want to vote ultra.

Postby virus90 on Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:45 pm

Ultra: I think it would be rather dumb for mafia to advocate a no lynch day 1 as its certain to gain discussion. (although it would be brilliant counterlogic, if so NICE! ) also i think he is contributing nicely and countering the votes / discussion pretty nicely. pro town feeling.

Postby virus90 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:46 am

i more and more understand why people tend to think ultra's scummy, some real strange shit, dont see how i would set him up in anyway. but well in dutch we have a saying which kind of means: when under a lot of pressure people do strange things.

I think this is important because, why would anyone who is paired with a fellow confirmed town suggest and agree to "hey lets call each other scummy so we don't have to claim lovers"
What do scum do "lets bus each other"
Honestly i would have expected more "blind" defense of ultra from virus. and virus calling ultra scummy, isn't really the case its. "its him understanding why people think ultra is scummy"
Also, a read from ultra, on virus being town at some point. Hell, if i was in ultra's shoes with virus, who was fairly inactive, i would have been bashing him in the talks to make a post. Specially if i knew he was confirmed, cause not posting is terrible. Or i'd at least be able to confirm, virus was discussing the game, and maybe present somethings we learned together, or hunches we collaborated on. There seems to be no "togetherness" about them at all.
In my experience with lovers, when a claim from them happens when one is getting pressured really hard. "yo we are lover, back the fk off" since while it sucks to make that claim, it does help push town in the direction to move off a wrong lynch. In this case we had them trying to call each other scum, which is strange, not to mention the claim wasn't a full claim. It was counter claimed by zivel with " not just a simple lover, but we got powers" which now we learn, virus has a power, but ultra claims none. (i think dd5 said both him and his partner have powers too) this inconsistency is odd.

[Whatsausage]

New thought: what if all of us who have claimed lovers are town and this is just an evil twist rishaed is throwing on us... We could all be screwed
I'm tired and going to bed, I have gone through almost everything. Here are some general reads:

1.Hotshot53- leaning town
2.Pancakemix - Neutral/ leaning town
3.mtamburini - town
4.Streaker - not sure about you yet, going to have to go back through all your posts
5.Virus90- scummy
6.aage - town
7.Storrzerg - was town at first, but the more I read the more scummy he seems... going to go back through
8.Ultrasplot - scummy
9.Zivel - leaning town
10.Whatsausage - scummy
11.Army of God - scummy
12.Anamainiacks - leaning town
13.Crasp - need to find more posts
14.dd515087 - charming, easy on the eyes, I would have his children
(14.dd515187 was town, dissapeared. he played more active last game and he was mafia there.)
^ streaker's read from a couple days ago - decided to include it because it was the only one on me that didn't say "he's scum for being inactive" IIRC
15.Anarkistsdream - Neutral, leaning scum
16.Strikewolf - probably the town mayor honestly
17.Crazymilkshake5 - uhh... I don't remember seeing anyone with this name

If anyone has comments or concerns or would like to know more, you can reach me on this forum (possibly )

So this is back a couple pages, but here I am with comments/concerns DD.
Previously you read anark, myself, and aage as scum with no reasons provided. And now in this post, anark has become primarily neutral, aage has become town, and I have stayed the same while you have added AOG, ultra, and virus to the scum list.
So what are reasons for the original scum reads, the changes, and the current scum reads. (You can also give reasons for your town reads)

[UltrasPlot]

Virus can only take the bullet himself the first time I die. Essentially he can only revive me.

[pancakemix]

@Storr's response to my post: This is why I hate in-post responses to some extent, because they're really hard to respond to themselves. In broad points, I think our lines on what defines "mechanical" are in different places, as are our interpretations of the extent to which mechanical discussion can be indicative. That itself could become considered mechanical discussion, so I'm not gonna delve too deep there lest I risk of being accused of starting another.

ok, so then it's filler in your post. Not to mention I'm sure no one thought it was a joke.

Sorry, I'll include these guys more in the future.

You responses to my reads are basically that there are two sides to each coin. And that's true. But saying that interpretation could go one way or the other doesn't really generate anything.

Moving on from there:

You bring up the joke vote a lot, that happened a long time ago in the day. Basing you reads of that far ago goes against what you state as reading the game as you go along as you seem to be still using information from early in the day to relate to what is happening now.

The joke was directly addressed by Storr, so it warranted response. Outside of that, it is much involved in the reads on certain players, such as Anam, whose first post had a great deal to do with that. My point really is that it's moot and we shouldn't keep talking about it or reading into it. As for using early day info (and in Anam's case that's basically all there is), you wanted reads on particular people and that requires research/citations to double check that I'm refering to the correct person. Plus, the idea is we get the whole field of info about everyone and have that for reference. Isn't that why the "no-edit" rule is in place?

On Ultra's claim: I'll agree with aage that there is a tendency for opposite alignment lovers to be a thing, but that also proves to be untrue as often as it is actually true. Which kinda blows. 1:1 town to mafia is typically a good trade for town, but the question is is that worth the gamble? For ultra's part, I doubt he'd be the scum side of such an arrangement. That said, it's also the type of claim that would spook anyone who might dare challenge it. Oh, but that's a whole other dance...

Hmmm I am a lover, and my partner and I are confirmed town. And no, you are not my partner....

Scum slip? Tell me why the hell would you pick lovers to fake claim in a group this large of non vanilla? Did you really think there would not be a pair of lovers to counter claim you?

Oh, now THAT is interesting...

@PCM, I can understand you feeling i'm too agressive on Ultra, but don't accuse me of going for an 'easy' case. It's anything but easy as nobody is giving a crap to lynch him, while i'm trying to persuade everyone to lynch him.

With the situation as it is, I don't feel we can let go of Ultra's claim (and the counterclaim that followed). Would there be 2 pairs of lovers in this game? Unlikely, not impossible. Mafia would never counterclaim here (I think).

"Easy" is relative, to be sure. My concern is less about the difficulty and more about pounding the hammer.

As for your second question, no. Two sets of lovers is bastard modding unless BOTH of the lovers have a scum pairing, which is bastard modding the other way.

Also, if you believe it's unlikely that there are two pairs of lovers, it's more unlikely that there are 3... And no neither Ultra or Ziv is my lover. Ultra seems very scummy for claiming that he is a lover first. Ziv gets townie points for coming forward to counterclaim.

...

'Kay, I need to Unvote and take a step back here for a minute...

So, some analysis for a moment. There are 6 lovers now in the mix:

1. Ultra/Virus
2. Zivel/???
3. DD/???

Of those six, the likelihood that at least one of them is mafia is very high just based on numbers alone (think: if we had 6 people whose deaths were tied together and they were all town, we'd be boned from the get-go). I think it behooves us then to roll the dice lynch at least one set of lovers today because we probably have like a 1/3 chance of finding a scum in the process, which is decent odds. The downside here is guessing wrong, in which case it's at worst a 6:1 trade. That's reeeally bad. Also, we're basically going to have 4 deaths by tomorrow if we do that, but at this point we're probably going to have 3 deaths minimum anyway.

So virus doesnt believe he dies with his lover. DD seems confident he does. Virus says hes been talking to his lover today, DD says they can only communicate at night. DD says he has another ability. Virus dodged the question. Did I miss anything?

Don't think so. It's awful fishy.

Unvote dd
Lynch Ultra
Best course of action.

Of course, this is assuming we have a bg to keep me alive til tomorrow.

nopenopenope



I think you're the scum and you're totes bussing your townie lover. Which becomes a strange conundrum. Actually, his entire power makes no sense. Are you lovers or not? Because him saving you would make you die anyway, the way you tell it.

God, this is totally baffling. Some consistency at the very least would be nice...

Want to hear more from others. PCM what is your read on all this?

Oh, how I love being picked on.

Ultra wants to self sacrifice himself to prove himself, thats retarded if hes mafia or 3rd party.

The first CC might be the most scummy of the 3 if there is any,
DD counter counter claiming is the most towny.

Either that or he's crazy like a fox. It's very possible he's taking a huge gamble here/doesn't care about virus.

Virus can only take the bullet himself the first time I die. Essentially he can only revive me.

So if you have no value, what use is it to keep you around? Or rather, why should we sacrifice another townie if you are our only reward for it? Also, how do you feel about the fact that the more you throw your partner under the bus, the more you paint a target on his back should he live through the night? I'm pretty certain there's more to this than you're actually telling us.

[TheForgivenOne]

Sorry everyone, work was a complete hoebag.

Anyways, I tried keeping up whenever I got a chance (Which wasn't often) and I had a lot of catching up to do when I got home.

Virus:
Since he started posting, I've continuously had scummy vibes coming from him. His logic seemed... backwards to me. He said mtam and Storr talk too much town/mafia read out of them. Shouldn't that make it easier if you have more to exam on them?

Ultra/AoG:
God I was bashing my head against the wall in the earlier stages of the game with the whole NL thing (as I mentioned, I was following the thread a bit). Before the Lover/Mason claim, I was more inclined to vote Ultra, but with everything that occurred, my scumdar lower a few notches on Ultra.

Also, Ultra's initial hints his partner having a really important role seems... *Rolls hands in the air* strange. He says that then comes back with Virus being able to take a bullet/lynch for him. Why would he do that if you're role isn't all that productive?

(** Typing this after my initial train of thought) God, this whole Virus-Can-Save-Ultra-But-Ultra-Can't-Save-Virus seems like a complete bastard thing to me. It's making my mind twist and turn and it seems so unfeasible. I'd like more detail on your role. Can you guys Day-Talk because of your Lover Mechanic? Are you Mason togethered? Is that why you can talk? (I may have missed this, I've been typing and stopping for too long) If not, Are you a Recruiting Mason? If not, and virus isn't your Mason Partner, do you have a mason partner?...

Also, Ultra's initial hints his partner having a really important role seems... *Rolls hands in the air* strange. He says that then comes back with Virus being able to take a bullet/lynch for him. Why would he do that if you're role isn't all that productive?

I'm giving up on this portion tonight, I fried myself.

AoG, on the other hand, is still up there for me. His posts just seem so... Blegh. They're there, but they have nothing to them. His reads on Ultra have just been weird to me. He went from calling him his "Towniest read", to voting him because "It wasn't terribly strong". Really? You went from "Towniest" read to "Scummiest" that fast? Huh.

Anarkist:

Gods, I really don't know with him. As I was going along with the thread, I kept thinking to myself: Okay Nark, move on from that point.
One thing that kinda irked me was one comment he kept saying in one post was that people have "More inside information than others on this game". As if he knew others got something else out of their roles. I really didn't know what to think of it at first, and I still don't. (I'm having troubles converting this from jumbled thought to coherent thought, so bare with me). Was he given inside information on something, and he's assuming others have gotten something similar too? (Unless he's just referring to roles that get info, then disregard, but that seemed kinda stupid to me). Also anamainiacks touched my thoughts on Nark's thoughts on the whole do we have SK/mafia thing that went down.
Once he comes back and makes a few more posts, i'll try and follow up with my read on him.

Storr/mtam/Zivel:

I've overall liked their play, only once or twice I got a headscratcher of a post out of them this game, but besides that, I've liked their train of thoughts.

A few others I need to go back and read over, but Streaker seems to be going so damn hard after Ultra, he almost seems like a Lyncher type role to me. His sights have been solely set on Ultra and from what I remember, he hasn't put much input on anyone else (Besides Virus).

Okay, I'm going to finish up my thoughts tomorrow at Lunch. Or if my boss leaves the office

[TheForgivenOne]

EBWOP: To make it clear, the person highest on my scumdar right now is AoG.

[mtamburini]

@storr 6/17 are supposed lovers, my brain is bleeding right now and what kind of set up we could possibly be palying with as in 3 nights we can lose 6 people with 2 lynches that are town brings us to 8 and then there are 9 people left in game.

I wanted pressure on crazy, he got replaced, replacement has not reported in with anything. Im usually against lynching the inactives day 1 but since they have already been replaced and is still inactive.

Seems to easy but no 1 has really been pushing for info from crazy/TFO but me.

FPD TFO

I think hes town. Back to no leads, probably gonna sheep AOG read didnt like his play thus far but had other people that I wanted to lynch so didnt pressure.

[Army of GOD]

AoG, on the other hand, is still up there for me. His posts just seem so... Blegh. They're there, but they have nothing to them. His reads on Ultra have just been weird to me. He went from calling him his "Towniest read", to voting him because "It wasn't terribly strong". Really? You went from "Towniest" read to "Scummiest" that fast? Huh.

I didn't necessarily think Ultra was the scummiest...my vote was to out pressure on him to claim because I could tell him and virus had something going on between them. And then obviously now we know that they're lovers.

I'm gonna invite because right now out of the 3 lover pairs, ultra and virus seem the least possible for scum. Ultra was willing to lynch himself and virus' ability to save ultra doesn't make sense if he was scum.

The way I see it, I would guess there's a 90% chance that one of the other two pairs have at least one scum in them. I know this is a farcry from my earlier vote for a no kymch, but we have a 50/50 shot at lynching scum (along with a townie probably) if we end up lynching either zivel or dd.

[Army of GOD]

EBWOP: unvote my bad

[dd515087]

So this is back a couple pages, but here I am with comments/concerns DD.
Previously you read anark, myself, and aage as scum with no reasons provided. And now in this post, anark has become primarily neutral, aage has become town, and I have stayed the same while you have added AOG, ultra, and virus to the scum list.
So what are reasons for the original scum reads, the changes, and the current scum reads. (You can also give reasons for your town reads)

The original reads were my thoughts on like half the game at the moment. I felt like I needed to post something after I was prodded, after reading through the rest of the posts I changed my mind.
As for Ultra and virus... Did you skim through everything? They have been read as scum for numerous reasons: poor reads, weird votes, calling each other scum and then coming out as lovers... Do I need to say more? I will go back and quote everything if necessary, but if you read through the last 4ish pages you will find everything on them.
AoG I originally thought was suspicious because we got on Ultra's case for advocating a No Lynch and then he went ahead and did it himself. He gave his reasoning and that was okay, but I tend to find No Lynch advocates scummy. Then there's this post by TFO that really sums up his scumminess:

AoG, on the other hand, is still up there for me. His posts just seem so... Blegh. They're there, but they have nothing to them. His reads on Ultra have just been weird to me. He went from calling him his "Towniest read", to voting him because "It wasn't terribly strong". Really? You went from "Towniest" read to "Scummiest" that fast? Huh.

[dd515087]

@whatsausage here's more comments on AoG

AoG, on the other hand, is still up there for me. His posts just seem so... Blegh. They're there, but they have nothing to them. His reads on Ultra have just been weird to me. He went from calling him his "Towniest read", to voting him because "It wasn't terribly strong". Really? You went from "Towniest" read to "Scummiest" that fast? Huh.

I didn't necessarily think Ultra was the scummiest...my vote was to out pressure on him to claim because I could tell him and virus had something going on between them. And then obviously now we know that they're lovers.
"obviously now we know" because there's no possibility that they're lying?

I'm gonna invite because right now out of the 3 lover pairs, ultra and virus seem the least possible for scum. Ultra was willing to lynch himself and virus' ability to save ultra doesn't make sense if he was scum.

The way I see it, I would guess there's a 90% chance that one of the other two pairs have at least one scum in them. I know this is a farcry from my earlier vote for a no kymch, but we have a 50/50 shot at lynching scum (along with a townie probably) if we end up lynching either zivel or dd.

Ultra and Virus seem the least possible for scum? Really?
I've had confirmation from the mod that lovers are the same alignment (He could have been referring to my lover pair specifically, but they way it was worded makes me believe that it refers to all). Why would I falsely claim something that the mod has told me? Anyone could easily ask the mod the same question and receive the answer themselves...
You are now a very scummy read on my list

[Streaker]

Unfortunately my thoughts have been said by others in the previous pages.

I will summarize the main issues with the new discussion that I feel about:

-Ultra said if we lynch him we'd 'lose more then just a vote'. Turns out that he will be saved now? Contradiction here.
-So Ultra and virus are lovers, but they don't die if we lynch Ultra. Strange, but maybe a mechanism... Can't really get much from this, except that it's so strange mafia could try and pull this off.
-Ultra and virus calling each other scummy (or was it just Ultra calling virus scummy), and Ultra stating virus is setting him up? This is not a town play, EVER. Even if both are town this is the worst play ever, completely misdirecting town here.
-The counterclaim to lovers. Mafia will never counterclaim for the lulz, I will believe multiple lovers are in the game. But AoG stated of all 3 pairs, Ultra and virus are the LEAST scummy? Even when counterclaimed? Even after all this? FoS Army of God (bringing him on my 3rd mafia spot after Ultra and virus).
-Ultra voting himself. Well. If you are town you are realllly helping town out here. Yep. Like storr said, if you really are town, you should be trying to defend yourself like crazy.

It's pretty obvious that all Ultra has done so far was misleading town, making up his story as he went on. First 'i'm too powerfull to lynch me', then 'you can't lynch me' to 'i'll lynch myself'.

FP'd dd, i'l read after my post.

[Zivel]

Virus can only take the bullet himself the first time I die. Essentially he can only revive me.

And he sacrifices himself for you? And then you die when he dies?

[Zivel]

Also, in case it wasn't clear, Virus dies both ways.

This needs to be explained....

[Zivel]

Sorry for the double post.

[virus90]

since i dont want to givve any reason for a modkill im gonna summarize only the important stuff

so my full claim:
name: Yuuki Asuna,
ability: shield lover
explanation ability: if ultra dies i get a pm and i can choose to revive him at cost of my own live. (this is for both day and night kills)

im not gonna claim for ultra, think i shouldnt be the one to do that, but if you search my character it shouldnt be a surprise when he claims.

Well its already told we have a QT and can talk during day and night.
Also since i can choose to save him i assumed that we dont both die. its rather an irrelevant function to have if i die the next day anyway.
i therefore assumed that the lovers dont both die, and assumed it was like that for the other pairs aswell. neither have explicitly cited that it was not the case so i think my assumption is right, or atleast it is for us. when dd apparently asked rishead he got this response:

I also asked if both would die and I was told that that couldn't be answered

also i assumed the others had a QT, since in my role pm it was just said. here is your QT (well not literally but just a link), without further note about it. Apparently the QT might be something not all lovers have and so might be "the ability".

also i would like to point out, that everything i claimed/assumed, and asked for confirmation from the other lovers so far has turned out true.
sure someone is gonna debate or twist that into: "they know since they are maffia" but just a pointer...

also when i think about it it doesnt realy matter if you want to lynch me or ultra. i die anyway. i guarentee you ill flip town and if abilitys are shown i flip shield lover, but apparently some people want our blood that desperatly. i suggest lynching ultra since we neither are 100% sure we dont both die, its an assuption we did, which i explained in this post but also before.

But what i really suggest is lynching someone else;

I agree that bad plays have been made by me and / or ultra, we havent coordinated our posts well enough. But anyone who still is not atleast seeing the possibility that we are not scum is in my opinion not making a great play either.

For instance i got the feeling people still think the lover claim was made up, that it was a fake claim; in my opinion if your mafia member gets caught, just let him die alone. i wouldnt be putting my life at risk for someone who is going down, i rather put the last nail in the coffin myself to gain some town creds.

@ anamaniaks: At no point i have thought that ultra could save me, i did assume we dont automaticly both die if 1 gets lynched, as i said: otherwise my role would be rather pointless, and 6 people would be able to die rather quickly.

[virus90]

on another note (double post intended) you know what i think is funny, or atleast a remarable follow up of events (summarized):


we (ultra) claims lovers:

Zivel counterclaims: says WE GOT THEM i am lover
DD: saves us because of his counter-counter-claim. (claiming 3th lover pair)

then: i claim a QT and daytalk ability
DD: claims only nighttime says WE GOT THEM
zivel: saves us because of him acknowledging to be able to have a QT and talk during the day.

Ultra and virus can apparently talk in a QT during the day, where I can not. @ziv can you and your lover? If ziv says only night it makes me think Ultra and virus are scum and are talking in that QT, not their lover QT.

, me and my lover can talk during the day, we have been yabbering away, actually quite proud of our QT.

And the last point: we claim we dont both die as lover and they both can not counterclaim that we are lying:

Also not 100% sure we both die together..... It is what a lover is and I have been called a lover in my PM but it is not explicit and the Mod is non committal.

I've received confirmation that lovers are the same alignment. I also asked if both would die and I was told that that couldn't be answered. Not sure how to take that yet.

so maybe guys, just maybe, our claim is not total bullshit. (saracasm intended)

[aage]

since i dont want to givve any reason for a modkill im gonna summarize only the important stuff

so my full claim:
name: Yuuki Asuna,
ability: shield lover
explanation ability: if ultra dies i get a pm and i can choose to revive him at cost of my own live. (this is for both day and night kills)

Okay, but why would you do that? Ultra has no further use since he has no power role and you are just as much confirmed townie as he would be. Stuff like empathy aside, why would you get yourself killed if it doesnt help you or your game goals? You know you are a townie! Do you have a death wish?


I fear what pcm said... either Ultra is throwing you under the bus, or you're just both lying.

The fact that he other two lovers have inconsistent stories does not help. Rish mak
ing a point of being vague also points to foul play, though I'd rather not use that argument.