HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

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Vote Count

L-3Spartacus(7): Spiesr, Alt, safari, Everywhere, Strike, Dazza, Jonty

Strike(1): Drake

Safari(1): Chapcrap

TheHippo8(4): McHammer, Spartacus, Iron, Leehar


With 18 alives, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline in 2 days.

[Iron Butterfly]

Yes, agreed ...unvote sparticus

Im curious for your reasons for unvoting.

General lack of interest in the sparticus case. Also the inceased pressure on me. I thought it easier I keep out of the sparticus case (for now at least) and see whether there becomes a more suitable case. I understand people not liking my jumping between things and hippos have a degree of impatience so its a deeply ingrained character trait For what its worth I've been softclaiming for ages but it's dawned on me that the majority aren't that up with the character in the Deathly Hallows enough for that so I'm going a softly softly for a while. It's against my personal character but maybe its time I listened rather than spoke for a while!!

You can not "keep out" of somthing you already have a history of being part of. It was only two pages ago that you were counting Sparticus as good as lynched two votes ahead of time, so dont tell me it was due to lack of interest. You only pulled your vote after I called you on your scummy behavior and felt your neck was truly on the line.

If you have a strong enough case you beleive in you better be willing to fight for it to the death.

Now if you are saying you are soft claiming...I did find somthing interesting in your exchanges with other players...I will give you that. You could also be covering your arse for future use.

[jonty125]

I think we should save hippo for D2, and lynch spartacus today, because hippo's vote does seem to hop about more than usual but spartacus denied his own claim which is a greater offense in my ideas.

[strike wolf]

I think we should save hippo for D2, and lynch spartacus today, because hippo's vote does seem to hop about more than usual but spartacus denied his own claim which is a greater offense in my ideas.

This. I mean I've never seen so many town who are willing to give someone who can't keep their own role straight such a high benefit of the doubt.

[Iron Butterfly]

I think we should save hippo for D2, and lynch spartacus today, because hippo's vote does seem to hop about more than usual but spartacus denied his own claim which is a greater offense in my ideas.

This. I mean I've never seen so many town who are willing to give someone who can't keep their own role straight such a high benefit of the doubt.

I understand and hear you. For me the reason is that if he is innocent mafia knows he is innocent and smell blood. I would be less then honest if I were to say I have not been torn. BUT I have also been in the position he has been in in making a huge error in gameplay knowing I am innocent...that combined with the way certian players such as Dazza have jumped in to lynch after sunmarining only to disappear again makeses me side toward giving him the benifit of the doubt.

Could I be wrong? Yes.

[dazza2008]

I think we should save hippo for D2, and lynch spartacus today, because hippo's vote does seem to hop about more than usual but spartacus denied his own claim which is a greater offense in my ideas.

This. I mean I've never seen so many town who are willing to give someone who can't keep their own role straight such a high benefit of the doubt.

I understand and hear you. For me the reason is that if he is innocent mafia knows he is innocent and smell blood. I would be less then honest if I were to say I have not been torn. BUT I have also been in the position he has been in in making a huge error in gameplay knowing I am innocent...that combined with the way certian players such as Dazza have jumped in to lynch after sunmarining only to disappear again makeses me side toward giving him the benifit of the doubt.

Could I be wrong? Yes.

In what way did I "just jump in to the lynch"?

I got far behind in the thread. I was busy at the end of the week and weekend as I said already. Then when I caught up he had acted scummy so i voted. Since then I have stayed active.

Are you saying if someone falls behind they are not allowed to think what they think when they catch up?

Seems crazy to me. If I continued to be inactive after voting I would understand your point.

[SPARTACUS1974]

Conversely, Moody might make a very good vigilante or perhaps bulletproof role.

Except for he died...

I think there is too much that doesn't add up with SPART's claim. His actions before the claim were scummy enough, but Tonks was definitely not an Animagus. She could change her hair color. Could she be a commuter role? Maybe, but not with the described information.

the info i have given is what i got in my role pm you are still thinking that the mod has made no mistakes more fool you .
i think i have a way to prove i am a wizard by revealing my WC because it will be the same as the rest of the wizards word for word and there is no way i could no this , but if i do i break the mod rules but as the mod has made a mistake with the animophagus part of my role would this be ok ?
i am asking the other 2 wizards who have claimed for your advice , if you dont want our WC revealed i wont and i will post no more and take the lynch if it will harm the game .

and to those of you who keep posting about me making a mess of my claim guess what i know i have and it wont change as i have said my role is what i was given .

[strike wolf]

two wrongs don't make a right.

[SPARTACUS1974]

two wrongs don't make a right.

even if this me proving my innocence ?

[Djfireside]

For some reason I tend to believe you and I want to go back, AGAIN! and read on hippo. I was all set on Spart but for some reason I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as you seem to be grasping at straws and flailing wildly. You have a stay of vote from me for about 10 minutes unless I can find something else.

As for claiming your WC, that may set you free in more ways than 1. Claiming it would probabally Mod Kill you so I wouldnt do that.

[dazza2008]

It actually makes me believe Sparticus less. He knows it is against the rules to do it so any scum could say the same in a last effort to look really townish.

[SPARTACUS1974]

It actually makes me believe Sparticus less. He knows it is against the rules to do it so any scum could say the same in a last effort to look really townish.

but as its the mod who gave the wrong info for my role all i want to do is prove im innocent

[spiesr]

two wrongs don't make a right.

even if this me proving my innocence ?

There is nothing that you can do without violating the bold part of rule 2.

2. You ARE allowed to quote the GREEN part of your role pm if you so choose to. You cannot quote anything else in your pm, nor your win condition, how many words are in it or any other genius way to get around it. You can still claim normally if you choose to, aswell. Which way you choose to do it, be very careful when you claim in this game.

Any attempt to do anything like what you appear to be proposing would result in a mod-kill. Ans since you would be doing it with full knowledge that it is against the rules it would also likely lead to a blacklist.

[SPARTACUS1974]

ok i wont then but its pissing me off that the mistake in my role is the final nail in my coffin , i just wanted to try to clear my name

[dazza2008]

ok i wont then but its pissing me off that the mistake in my role is the final nail in my coffin , i just wanted to try to clear my name

The reason I voted you was for saying you were a commuter then saying you were not a commuter. Just made it all look a wee bit fake claimy in my opinion.

[safariguy5]

ok i wont then but its pissing me off that the mistake in my role is the final nail in my coffin , i just wanted to try to clear my name

The reason I voted you was for saying you were a commuter then saying you were not a commuter. Just made it all look a wee bit fake claimy in my opinion.

This.

Also, you never explained whether you were a regular commuter or not. Can you commute every night or every other night or x times per game? Are you immune to all night actions or just kills?

You've both denied the commuter claim and not fully elucidated the claim either. Clarifying what exactly you are would be great.

And also, now that you're claimed, the claim basically makes you a slightly harder to lynch VT. Not a particularly useful role, and the risk/reward analysis makes me more willing to lynch you because the potential loss to town of a claimed commuter is pretty low, especially considering you'd be low on the mafia kill target anyways.

[Djfireside]

ok i wont then but its pissing me off that the mistake in my role is the final nail in my coffin , i just wanted to try to clear my name

The reason I voted you was for saying you were a commuter then saying you were not a commuter. Just made it all look a wee bit fake claimy in my opinion.

This.

Also, you never explained whether you were a regular commuter or not. Can you commute every night or every other night or x times per game? Are you immune to all night actions or just kills?

You've both denied the commuter claim and not fully elucidated the claim either. Clarifying what exactly you are would be great.

And also, now that you're claimed, the claim basically makes you a slightly harder to lynch VT. Not a particularly useful role, and the risk/reward analysis makes me more willing to lynch you because the potential loss to town of a claimed commuter is pretty low, especially considering you'd be low on the mafia kill target anyways.

This does make sense, that once you are outed it you are pretty much a VT. I think everyone got flipped in that he was a busdriver. However, the question does stand as to how your power does work.

As for Hippo, if he is soft claiming it crosses between two people I can think of but Ill leave that be for now and since Spart is active see what he says but unfortunately almost seems worth the chance to lynch him and test the theory.

[SPARTACUS1974]

ok i wont then but its pissing me off that the mistake in my role is the final nail in my coffin , i just wanted to try to clear my name

The reason I voted you was for saying you were a commuter then saying you were not a commuter. Just made it all look a wee bit fake claimy in my opinion.

my role said wizard commuter but then the next line down it said animorphagus and that i could change my apperance to escape night action thats why i thought it was different i was wrong i know now,

saf
i can change my apperance every other night and when i use this action im immune from all actions sent towards me , and the only use i will be for town is for voting purpose i know this

[Djfireside]

It does fit to a point. The battle over the word metamorphagus vs animorphagus I guess is trival at this point as I dont think you would have made it up and whether it was fake or real it comes at least close to what it is mean to reveal.

[thehippo8]

For some reason I tend to believe you and I want to go back, AGAIN! and read on hippo. I was all set on Spart but for some reason I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as you seem to be grasping at straws and flailing wildly. You have a stay of vote from me for about 10 minutes unless I can find something else.

As for claiming your WC, that may set you free in more ways than 1. Claiming it would probabally Mod Kill you so I wouldnt do that.

I'm pleased I dropped the sparticus case, I am of the firm view that he is VT. Of course, DJ, you should go back and look at my posts - they are there for all to read. In doing so, you may twig to who I am. In the meantime, I'm still reading also and will let you know if I think there is a case worthy of pursuing.

[chapcrap]

I'm not sure whether or not I believe SPART or not. The whole thing seems a little crazy to me still. However, I think hippo is scum more, so I will unvote vote hippo. I think that puts him 1 behind SPART.

[everywhere116]

Excuse me while I hit my head with a hammer.

[strike wolf]

Excuse me while I hit my head with a hammer.

So I'm not the only one feeling that way right now.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Where does this leave us? Hippo and SPARTY were teh biggest BWs going. I can't say either of them are very good at being a good townie, but I also can't say that I think they are mafia.

Time is running short...I have a feeling that mafia is sitting back on not voting anyone, as they will wait for the day to end, and let the numbers lynch whoever it is. So, I will go see who has not voted...

[strike wolf]

I'm predicting this game will have a difficult time getting anyone lynched.