Stool Pigeon Mafia - Game Over! Mafia Win!!! MVP- Zimmah

[FoxMists]

Read over the past few pages. Sorry I haven't been around as much. Massively busy at work right now and contemplating acting scummy at work just to see if they'll get rid of me.

I don't like the replacement of LSU back in the game for a simple reason: It gives away too much info. We know there can be only mafia and town. Clearly whoever LSU was the first time, he is again. Granted I don't mind being given another person on our side (at least I think he is....) but it still compromises a bit of the game. FOS Vio for messing with my head.

And on that note, since we have one actively inactive person, I will have to vote Irish.

As for Hippo, I still think his biggest problem is either a lack of ritalin or a lack of valium. But I do recognise that it could be construed as scummy.

[FoxMists]

Apologies for been MIA, was sick.

Is it normal for a player to be subbed by a player that has already died in game ?

I've seen it happen... thing is it should mean that the 2 roles don't affect one another... meaning that a mafia that was killed cannot return as a townie... etc.. I'm wondering how this affects this game... and what the roles are

While it should be possible, I can't see how an informant should be brought back into the game.

Probably just been pedantic though, so ignore me.

I'll jump on the current bandwagon

VOTE TIGER

You may wish to specify a Tiger, there, bloke

[skillfusniper33]

I don't disagree with getting rid of dead weight but we are just giving the 2 killers an opportunity to further their chances of gaining the upper hand.

I am thinking that hippo is scum since he is pushing so hard on quick lynches and for lynches on in actives, and gets extremely sensitive once anyone puts a vote on him, as well as call them out.

Hippo is bouncing around here from waggon to waggon. He seems really eager to lynch someone and get to night. That along with a fair few crazy statements i will vote Hippo.

You must have missed the point that we are chruning our way through the submariners.

It is crazy. If the SK knows who the mafia are the game would be done quick. Also it would not be a sk it would be a vig. No? Sometimes your posts make loads of sense and I think you are ok then you do some crazy shit

Given you are always so obtuse and never follow what the town are doing FOS Dazzer! But otherwise get on board and help put -pressure on Irish Tiger!

Another example of just targeting submariners, and hoping for the best rather than trying to actually build a case

All I can suggest now is that we hammer the submariners and hope like hell that works!!

This seems to me like he wants only quick lynches and of the submariners so that his mafia crew can spend the nights targeting the actives, and let us deal with all the dead weight. So they can try to gain that upper hand and be able to help push for the late game with all their members still alive.

I am just sitting back and waiting to see what happens now. I'm still thinking that the submariners are the ones to go for at this stage. In fact, if we do some quick days getting rid of them then the game may become more interesting? Vio indicated earlier that she thought the game was going slowly and all I can suggest is that we speed up the days from the mod end of things. My vote remains.

He does realize he made a slip up and try to have everyone disregard it because we aren't moving "fast enough" for him or the mod (and I don't remember/can't find anything about Vio saying the game was going slow) and is frustrated...

Oh, and the reference to speeding up the time limit was my (frustrated) desire to see others committing to this game a bit more! But again, if everyone is happy in silence then fine!

He is also tends to focus on the people who haven't posted at all rather than the ones who post vary rarely, which in my opinion is scummier than the ones who don't show up.
Vote Hippo

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I'm still rereading, but a couple of things. One a 3rd party/townie generally can come back without affecting the power of the game in any role since most townies can't talk and once dead lose their "powers" that they may have had. Third parties by nature tend to keep to themselves so no new knowledge comes with that role and becoming scum would make them aware of who the actual scum is in the game. With that said, I am not claiming scum or third party lmao. I am NOT allowed to really talk about my past life and transgressions and what is said although for the most part they are mute with the numbers being changed now and deaths that have occurred since I gave out that prior clue. I do think that all informants should "float" their clues out there in some form so town can work on solving who is bad or not. Either tomorrow or Friday, I'll throw my new clue out for discussion, but for now I'll say it is double the trouble with what I do know this go round.

[thehippo8]

@ Skill, you said ...

I don't disagree with getting rid of dead weight but we are just giving the 2 killers an opportunity to further their chances of gaining the upper hand.

Well, don’t you change your tune … at page 10 you vote for Zimmah because he was silent ... and at page 25 you explained …

Yes shield I did have a quick bandwagon vote for Zimmah, but that was more of a plan to try and get us off of all the joke voting, and start working some actual pressure. I am pretty sure the SK would have killed off LSU since he was pointing them out, and not wanting LSU to continue to try and help lead to their lynch. Which leaves Zimmah being killed by mafia.

Meanwhile at page 21 you said ...

Last vote count gave Sully on 8, and chapchap, conzocool and edocsil all voted. I almosted posted the same thing. But there are 22 players, so half +1 would make it 12 for a lynch. I think the mods forgot that they replaced the person they mod-killed.

Your major gripe with me is …

He is also tends to focus on the people who haven't posted at all rather than the ones who post vary rarely, which in my opinion is scummier than the ones who don't show up.

What gives you the right to do that but then FOS someone else for doing the same thing. This is no reason to FOS me, it is logical considerations in a mire of silence.
So what does that say about you?.

On a more important note, we first met at page 3 when you corrected me for seeing Willy! on the site when in fact he had been banned. You’d think that would be the end of it but no, you persist in your attacks on me on pages 13, 15 and 18.

SO let’s look at some of your other behaviour. On page 23 you seek to confuse LSU’s clue and further your attack on me with...

The LSU death wasn't surprising to me at all after his major clue as to who the scum players were. Town Vig or a SK would be interesting to have in this game, the vig I think is out the door since I wouldn't qualify them as an anti-town roll, and if there is a vig, they seem a bit over-eager. The two mafia fractions would be an interesting twist to the game. I disagree with you on Victor not being town though edoc, I think he was a VT. Especially since he didn't try to create a very strong case to protect himself, If I were in Victors place, and scum I would have tried to pull something off to save my life, instead of just letting yourself die so early on. I have a feeling zimmah wasn't town, or at least a vanilla, he could have been an informant of some kind. I do have very strong feelings that Hippo isn't telling us the truth, and if he is scum he could have targeted zimmah since he couldn't get everyone to lynch him. As for the layout, I would think that it is totally plausible to have 6 scum, with 1 pigeon to know who each of them are, 1 pigeon to know who all the true VT, then finally 1 pigeon to know all possible 3rd party roles. This could be slightly altered if there are 2 fractions, and 1 pigeon for each, which would bring us very close to our total of 22 players. I am working on LSU's hint and removing the people who were killed, as well as all the odd, and even number combinations since he said they weren't all one, and will post the results once I get everything removed.

As we have all discerned, LSU was warning us about an SK, pure and simple. Again, the attack on me is worthless given Skill did the same. But Skill takes the confusion further that page with a version of LSU's puzzle,w hich is in error and misleading. And even more misleading information to edoc, Skill further attacks me with ...

And Hippo can you please point out my errors, and your logic behind why the player would be a 3rd party killer? I do buy your logic for replacing Jens if he was a 3rd party killer, but just not sure how you could possibly conclude to that, and not consider the possibility of 2 Fractions. Now the chances of having 2 fractions is probably smaller than the probability of having a 3rd party killer.

To which there is a backtrack on page 24 to allay suspicion ...

The reason why I had omitted Edoc was because as you said we had to remove numbers 3, 6, and 18. This first set on your list is 22, 18, 1. Which would remove edoc from the list entirely, since that is the only combination that would allow for him to reach a total of 41. I must have just missed the completely odd sets of numbers then.

Which could hardly be deemed a backdown on the attacks on me, nor even after Skill agrees with me without crediting me ...

Now that we have come to a better conclusion that it is probably a SK instead of a group of scum, which was my first initial thoughts, so the list I created and removed numbers from is no longer valid.

Another backtrack (and another uncredited repetition of a point I made) at page 25 ...

off of the clue LSU gave there are a few key words that I first overlooked and am now pretty sure it is one person instead of a fraction. ... If there is a SK, and they are town, I would advise them to not kill unless they were completely sure of one person's alignment.

All in all, you have to credit Skill for being consistent in attack but for goodness sake, give it up already!

So, enough banter ... back to the game.

Unless we have any specific plan then it remains the consensus (and yes that still includes you Skill) that we need to get the silent to speak up. LSU is right that informants need to speak up. On that note, please read my posts carefully – particularly the ones that have been criticised for irrationality. There’s more than one reason to come from left field!! Removing Sully was one of a three part puzzle for me but to unravel it requires removal of at least one more.

[thehippo8]

I'm still rereading, but a couple of things. One a 3rd party/townie generally can come back without affecting the power of the game in any role since most townies can't talk and once dead lose their "powers" that they may have had. Third parties by nature tend to keep to themselves so no new knowledge comes with that role and becoming scum would make them aware of who the actual scum is in the game. With that said, I am not claiming scum or third party lmao. I am NOT allowed to really talk about my past life and transgressions and what is said although for the most part they are mute with the numbers being changed now and deaths that have occurred since I gave out that prior clue. I do think that all informants should "float" their clues out there in some form so town can work on solving who is bad or not. Either tomorrow or Friday, I'll throw my new clue out for discussion, but for now I'll say it is double the trouble with what I do know this go round.

If I read this right you are suggesting that LSU before the reincarnation was telling us a puzzle that is real and not just a vehicle to point to an SK. How frustrating!

[terrafutan]

You may wish to specify a Tiger, there, bloke

Good spot, sorted.

UNVOTE VOTE IRISH

[wildwilliam]

You may wish to specify a Tiger, there, bloke

Good spot, sorted.

UNVOTE VOTE IRISH

You guys are voting for a person who no longer part of the site.

Apologies for been MIA, was sick.

Is it normal for a player to be subbed by a player that has already died in game ?

sounds like you don't want him in the game. since he was almost guaranteed a good guy, why would you not, unless you are scum.

vote terrafutan

[shieldgenerator7]

wildiwlliam, we are voting the guy to get him out of the game, or to get him replaced. We realize that he probably won't come back soon, tho he might. We are just voting him to make sure something happens

[wildwilliam]

wildiwlliam, we are voting the guy to get him out of the game, or to get him replaced. We realize that he probably won't come back soon, tho he might. We are just voting him to make sure something happens

I understand what you are trying to do but it makes no sense. I would understand this if he had played in games, posted in other forums, but this is not the case. He has not logged into the site since early October. He is not submarining, he is not hiding, he is just gone and no matter how many vote you put on him he is not coming back. So to vote him is a waste of time. Lets get him replaced and move on. He is a potential PRO TOWN role and may have a clue that will help us.

[edocsil]

wildiwlliam, we are voting the guy to get him out of the game, or to get him replaced. We realize that he probably won't come back soon, tho he might. We are just voting him to make sure something happens

I understand what you are trying to do but it makes no sense. I would understand this if he had played in games, posted in other forums, but this is not the case. He has not logged into the site since early October. He is not submarining, he is not hiding, he is just gone and no matter how many vote you put on him he is not coming back. So to vote him is a waste of time. Lets get him replaced and move on. He is a potential PRO TOWN role and may have a clue that will help us.

Replacing or mod killing are the only options at this point. I reluctantly pursued inactives yesterday due to time constraints and the general ineffectiveness of D1. We however cannot continue to do so again today. Perhaps if we run out of time we can quickly lynch an inactive, it is better then nothing. However, pursuing inactives straight from the get go is foolish at best and is a classic move by scum to appear pro-town and highly active. It however is a facade, it allows the scum to quickly advance to their night phase. To that point I will VOTE HIPPO for attempting to force the lynch of inactives and discouraging all relevant hunting.

[edocsil]

* VOTE HIPPO bold not red, my apologies.

[thehippo8]

wildiwlliam, we are voting the guy to get him out of the game, or to get him replaced. We realize that he probably won't come back soon, tho he might. We are just voting him to make sure something happens

I understand what you are trying to do but it makes no sense. I would understand this if he had played in games, posted in other forums, but this is not the case. He has not logged into the site since early October. He is not submarining, he is not hiding, he is just gone and no matter how many vote you put on him he is not coming back. So to vote him is a waste of time. Lets get him replaced and move on. He is a potential PRO TOWN role and may have a clue that will help us.

Replacing or mod killing are the only options at this point. I reluctantly pursued inactives yesterday due to time constraints and the general ineffectiveness of D1. We however cannot continue to do so again today. Perhaps if we run out of time we can quickly lynch an inactive, it is better then nothing. However, pursuing inactives straight from the get go is foolish at best and is a classic move by scum to appear pro-town and highly active. It however is a facade, it allows the scum to quickly advance to their night phase. To that point I will VOTE HIPPO for attempting to force the lynch of inactives and discouraging all relevant hunting.

Frankly, I agree with you - albeit I don't agree with your reasoning for lynching me

unvote

The old theory of attacking inactives works well in normal Mafia where pressure can be brought to bear requiring disclosure. Here those rules simply do not work.

All we are left with is what people actually say, and the quiet ones go scott free! On that basis I fear that my attempts at being helpful are themselves now being turned against me. Sigh!

So, in my usual style of being suspicious of those who unreasonably try and create a case against me, vote skill

No point in turning on you edoc, I cinserely believe you to be town based on your posts and think that skill has created confusion yet again!

[skillfusniper33]

@ Skill, you said ...

I don't disagree with getting rid of dead weight but we are just giving the 2 killers an opportunity to further their chances of gaining the upper hand.

Well, don’t you change your tune … at page 10 you vote for Zimmah because he was silent ... and at page 25 you explained …

Yes shield I did have a quick bandwagon vote for Zimmah, but that was more of a plan to try and get us off of all the joke voting, and start working some actual pressure. I am pretty sure the SK would have killed off LSU since he was pointing them out, and not wanting LSU to continue to try and help lead to their lynch. Which leaves Zimmah being killed by mafia.

Meanwhile at page 21 you said ...

Last vote count gave Sully on 8, and chapchap, conzocool and edocsil all voted. I almosted posted the same thing. But there are 22 players, so half +1 would make it 12 for a lynch. I think the mods forgot that they replaced the person they mod-killed.

Your major gripe with me is …

He is also tends to focus on the people who haven't posted at all rather than the ones who post vary rarely, which in my opinion is scummier than the ones who don't show up.

What gives you the right to do that but then FOS someone else for doing the same thing. This is no reason to FOS me, it is logical considerations in a mire of silence.
So what does that say about you?.

On a more important note, we first met at page 3 when you corrected me for seeing Willy! on the site when in fact he had been banned. You’d think that would be the end of it but no, you persist in your attacks on me on pages 13, 15 and 18.

SO let’s look at some of your other behaviour. On page 23 you seek to confuse LSU’s clue and further your attack on me with...

The LSU death wasn't surprising to me at all after his major clue as to who the scum players were. Town Vig or a SK would be interesting to have in this game, the vig I think is out the door since I wouldn't qualify them as an anti-town roll, and if there is a vig, they seem a bit over-eager. The two mafia fractions would be an interesting twist to the game. I disagree with you on Victor not being town though edoc, I think he was a VT. Especially since he didn't try to create a very strong case to protect himself, If I were in Victors place, and scum I would have tried to pull something off to save my life, instead of just letting yourself die so early on. I have a feeling zimmah wasn't town, or at least a vanilla, he could have been an informant of some kind. I do have very strong feelings that Hippo isn't telling us the truth, and if he is scum he could have targeted zimmah since he couldn't get everyone to lynch him. As for the layout, I would think that it is totally plausible to have 6 scum, with 1 pigeon to know who each of them are, 1 pigeon to know who all the true VT, then finally 1 pigeon to know all possible 3rd party roles. This could be slightly altered if there are 2 fractions, and 1 pigeon for each, which would bring us very close to our total of 22 players. I am working on LSU's hint and removing the people who were killed, as well as all the odd, and even number combinations since he said they weren't all one, and will post the results once I get everything removed.

As we have all discerned, LSU was warning us about an SK, pure and simple. Again, the attack on me is worthless given Skill did the same. But Skill takes the confusion further that page with a version of LSU's puzzle,w hich is in error and misleading. And even more misleading information to edoc, Skill further attacks me with ...

And Hippo can you please point out my errors, and your logic behind why the player would be a 3rd party killer? I do buy your logic for replacing Jens if he was a 3rd party killer, but just not sure how you could possibly conclude to that, and not consider the possibility of 2 Fractions. Now the chances of having 2 fractions is probably smaller than the probability of having a 3rd party killer.

To which there is a backtrack on page 24 to allay suspicion ...

The reason why I had omitted Edoc was because as you said we had to remove numbers 3, 6, and 18. This first set on your list is 22, 18, 1. Which would remove edoc from the list entirely, since that is the only combination that would allow for him to reach a total of 41. I must have just missed the completely odd sets of numbers then.

Which could hardly be deemed a backdown on the attacks on me, nor even after Skill agrees with me without crediting me ...

Now that we have come to a better conclusion that it is probably a SK instead of a group of scum, which was my first initial thoughts, so the list I created and removed numbers from is no longer valid.

Another backtrack (and another uncredited repetition of a point I made) at page 25 ...

off of the clue LSU gave there are a few key words that I first overlooked and am now pretty sure it is one person instead of a fraction. ... If there is a SK, and they are town, I would advise them to not kill unless they were completely sure of one person's alignment.

All in all, you have to credit Skill for being consistent in attack but for goodness sake, give it up already!

So, enough banter ... back to the game.

Unless we have any specific plan then it remains the consensus (and yes that still includes you Skill) that we need to get the silent to speak up. LSU is right that informants need to speak up. On that note, please read my posts carefully – particularly the ones that have been criticised for irrationality. There’s more than one reason to come from left field!! Removing Sully was one of a three part puzzle for me but to unravel it requires removal of at least one more.

So lets see here, you just attack me for building a reasonable case, and try to discredit everything saying I have some kind of vendetta against you? I haven't ever run across you in any of the forums until this game started. Am I just saying to myself lets pick some random person and try to get them killed off....

As for your fist point, about me voting zimmah because he was silent, if you actually went and looked at my post it has nothing to do with being silent, I was just trying to get some pressure on one player, and try to get the game moving.

The second quote I think speaks for itself, and if anyone is confused or wants a more detailed explanation of it just post and let me know.

I have no clue what you are getting at with your third quote, since there was mass confusion on if a lynch would take place and when it would happen. I was hoping to try and help everyone understand

And yes my "major gripe" with you is that you focus on the people who aren't posting at all. Most of the time they are not even on, or check the forums rarely. Most of us that are on this site do other things that just play mafia games. It also gives your mafia crew the ability to easily get to night phases, as edoc said (crediting, since you bring up that I don't do it enough...), and might I add you agreed with (this makes no sense at all, why would you agree with a case against yoruself?)

I don't even know what you are trying to get at with me FOSing someone, and not having the right to. I have the right to FOS anyone I want, it may not be a completely logical reason to most, but it also means you have some kind of gut feeling they are doing something wrong (oh and let me just FOS everyone in this game, for who knows what kind of reason, I am sure they all have made a mistake...)

As for me "attacking you" before the game even started in page 3, WTF is with that. I just figured I would let Vio know that one of her players wasn't going to be around. I don't know the ins and outs of what a player can do if they get banned, nor do I want to go and get banned to figure it out.

Now please point out where there was an "attack" on you, I did point out that I didn't think you were telling us the truth (and yes that was my opinion, everyone might not be so upfront about their thoughts, especially when they might not have a full case built) and if you consider than an attack then I think you have the wrong definition of attack.

And at that point in the game we hadn't come to a complete consensus that it was a SK, and you call me out on having you clarify where I made my errors. And no I may not have been as quick as you to notice that it was a SK he was pointing out, but you make me sound like I am incompitant to live my own life, and make my own decisions. You also crossed off around 8 of the 11 people who were on the list leaving just the in actives again to focus on.

Now if you want credit you can have all the credit you deserve for those 2 quoted posts, and if I were to post every time I liked an idea of someone my posts would look extremely annoying, and have something to the fact of "I would like to credit ___________ for whatever they said"....

Consistently attacking, that is just of bolarky... And the fact that consider my entire case just banter. Then continue with your consensus you made for the entire group that you should just go after the in actives.

I really think you are getting a little nervous about my case, and have to try and shut it down as fast as possible by trying to confuse the hell out of everyone and turn everything I just said into something that sounds like I am a complete idiot.

[thehippo8]

@ Skill

Aha, I understand. Fair enough, we have said our respective pieces. Incidentally, all is fair in Mafia War but nothing here is personal so please don't take offence.

So (throws dice) ... I wonder where the dice will land ...

Just to divert away from the fuedette for a moment, you (and the others) should consider again my three part conundrum. Whilst I am not at liberty to say more, my information includes a puzzle between Victor and two others but I am not at liberty to say more - at least not until more information is known. LSU (#2) is right, the other informants need to start giving us something here to avoid the potential to squable.

And, credit where credits due, I loved the idea of just FOSing evyone and being done with that exercize!!

[FoxMists]

@ Skill

Aha, I understand. Fair enough, we have said our respective pieces. Incidentally, all is fair in Mafia War but nothing here is personal so please don't take offence.

So (throws dice) ... I wonder where the dice will land ...

Just to divert away from the fuedette for a moment, you (and the others) should consider again my three part conundrum. Whilst I am not at liberty to say more, my information includes a puzzle between Victor and two others but I am not at liberty to say more - at least not until more information is known. LSU (#2) is right, the other informants need to start giving us something here to avoid the potential to squable.

And, credit where credits due, I loved the idea of just FOSing evyone and being done with that exercize!!

So you're an informant, then?

[chapcrap]

I agree with edoc. We shouldn't vote off Irish unless we have absolutely nothing else to go on and we are pushing the deadline. We need to do some actual scum hunting, which will most assuredly not happen going after someone who isn't even here. I would understand if there were many people like this and it was a larger game, but he is not who are focus should be on.

As crazy as hippo has been, I am leaning toward thinking that he is someone who is town and just has way too much time on his hands. However, his crazy antics and going all over the place are just too much for me to ignore. So, I will succumb to what I've been trying to avoid for a few days now and unvote vote hippo.

[edocsil]

@ Skill

Aha, I understand. Fair enough, we have said our respective pieces. Incidentally, all is fair in Mafia War but nothing here is personal so please don't take offence.

So (throws dice) ... I wonder where the dice will land ...

Just to divert away from the fuedette for a moment, you (and the others) should consider again my three part conundrum. Whilst I am not at liberty to say more, my information includes a puzzle between Victor and two others but I am not at liberty to say more - at least not until more information is known. LSU (#2) is right, the other informants need to start giving us something here to avoid the potential to squable.

And, credit where credits due, I loved the idea of just FOSing evyone and being done with that exercize!!

Gah, he is claiming informant guys, lay off him. Unvote I should have seen that earlier.

[chapcrap]

@ Skill

Aha, I understand. Fair enough, we have said our respective pieces. Incidentally, all is fair in Mafia War but nothing here is personal so please don't take offence.

So (throws dice) ... I wonder where the dice will land ...

Just to divert away from the fuedette for a moment, you (and the others) should consider again my three part conundrum. Whilst I am not at liberty to say more, my information includes a puzzle between Victor and two others but I am not at liberty to say more - at least not until more information is known. LSU (#2) is right, the other informants need to start giving us something here to avoid the potential to squable.

And, credit where credits due, I loved the idea of just FOSing evyone and being done with that exercize!!

Gah, he is claiming informant guys, lay off him. Unvote I should have seen that earlier.

I thought he was saying that one of the LSU's was an informant, not actually claiming it himself.

[dazza2008]

If hippo was the informant he would not be all over the place with his votes. He would know who was scummy and stick to it. I don't trust him 1 bit here. unvote vote Hippo

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Hippo is claiming informant based off of his post. Despite that consistantly pushing for an inactive to vote off is very anti town at this point seeing how we had 2 deaths on night one from a mafia group and a sk most likely. Wild william at this point seems like town to me by pointing out that we had several people want to vote for someone that isn't a part of the site anymore. If we're going to vote for someone for being inactive, then I vote for Pancakemix as he seems to be quite quiet and I think a bit suspicious.

[thehippo8]

ok SO INVITING A MOD KILL HERE it was sully or terra or jens .... duh ...ok?

[thehippo8]

Hippo is claiming informant based off of his post. Despite that consistantly pushing for an inactive to vote off is very anti town at this point seeing how we had 2 deaths on night one from a mafia group and a sk most likely. Wild william at this point seems like town to me by pointing out that we had several people want to vote for someone that isn't a part of the site anymore. If we're going to vote for someone for being inactive, then I vote for Pancakemix as he seems to be quite quiet and I think a bit suspicious.

but that has to be the most reasoned thing I have heard in this VERY long day ... unvote vote panecakemix

[trinicardinal]

ok SO INVITING A MOD KILL HERE it was sully or terra or jens .... duh ...ok?

Hippo is claiming informant based off of his post. Despite that consistantly pushing for an inactive to vote off is very anti town at this point seeing how we had 2 deaths on night one from a mafia group and a sk most likely. Wild william at this point seems like town to me by pointing out that we had several people want to vote for someone that isn't a part of the site anymore. If we're going to vote for someone for being inactive, then I vote for Pancakemix as he seems to be quite quiet and I think a bit suspicious.

but that has to be the most reasoned thing I have heard in this VERY long day ... unvote vote panecakemix

given this I have to agree so unvote panecakemix

[pancakemix]

Cool it, Cool it. I'm having a hard time following my games lately. I'm officially on brake now so hopefully I can catch up.