pmchugh wrote:strike wolf wrote:Uggh. Ive got a headache and youre all being WAY TOO LOUD! Can someone get me a f***ing coffee?
So Fall Guy isn't a role I think I've ever played with before. I don't think not telling him would necessarily be bastardish, it just depends on the game and how it's balanced. Closest roles I can compare it to are Miller and Innocent Mafia (may not be the exact name). The Miller role is a weaker version of the Fall Guy where they would flip mafia on investigation but town after they were killed. Mafia also usually didn't know about the Miller. Whether the Miller knew they were a Miller usually depended on the game.
An innocent mafia is kind of an inverse Fall guy. They're a mafia that appears town on investigation. Key difference between an innocent mafia and a Godfather is that they would know who mafia are but mafia would not know about them.
Scenario 1: LC is telling the truth.
Hiding the Fall Guy role would be kind of weird in a presumably non-vanilla game if it's his only power. So him knowing he's the Fall Guy could make sense. It also lines up with his statements about Vot telling the truth despite the guilty result. From a balance perspective with an arsonist, a PGO and a Fall Guy in the mix, mafia would probably be pretty weak. Either reduced numbers or weaker roles. If mafia has normal numbers (3) for this size game though and we lynch LC then we could be a MYLO situation tomorrow and not even be able to prove it. (Lynch LC (10), mafia and other killer each get a kill (8), we lynch a townie (7) and then any townie death would give mafia the win).
Scenario B: LC is lying
Him lying fits with his hesitancy to claim. It also seems a bit easier to believe than trying to get a balance with a PGO, an arsonist and a Fall Guy in the mix.
Or maybe I just need some beer to keep me from over thinking this whole balance thing in a role Madness game.
PMC's behavior perplexes me a bit. If PMC is town then he has no reason to sound as confident that LC is telling the truth as he does unless he knows something about LC that the rest of us don't. However, I also can't see scum PMC defending a scumbuddy this hard and it seems even harder to believe that Scum PMC would defend a Fall Guy this hard. It would all but guarantee he'd be lynched the following day.
In short, you are all giving me a headache. Don't wake me up until the sun is down or someone fetches me another beer.
I feel like you are deliberately over stating my confidence levels.
Well, *hic* in yer first two posts after LC's claim, you shtated that you believed him and used that to paint a picture where me and Dega are scum. It'sh only affer people were all calling you out Fer it that you back off shum and start talking about yer douths. Maybe I'm jush seein double but that seems a bit two headed to me. Alsho, vot is right that it has felt like LC has been following yer lead. First with his EW vote D1 and then wif the whole wait for these playersh to show up and then claim affer ya tell him tooo.
Tha part that I have a hard time wrapping my head around ish why you would defend LC as hard as you did. It has me thinking you were town eay 1 but it All I can figure is that either you are tunneling or you knew people were going to associate you two anyways and tried to double down and sow confusion with your theory about Dega and me. Tunneling doesn't explain why LC seems to also be linking himself with you.
List:
Scum:
1. LC-Cop verdict and I don't find the fall guy claim thst believable.
Lean scum:
1. PMC-hes linked with LC.
Neutralish-
1. Dega-Hes said some things that peaked my interest. On opposite ends from LC and PMC. Might mean he's town. Could mean that PMC and LC decided to hard steer away from him so that he'd appear town.
2. *Pix*- a little aloof but mostly playing within his M.O. don't know if I trust him but he has no hard connections as of yet. More likely 3rd party than mafia.
3. Fusi-Generally like what he's said but has still been quieter than normal
Lean town
1. Dev-seems legitimately curious about the game. No strong connections with other players.
2. Swang-if PmC is scum then Swang is almost certainly town. He was one of the first to call BS on PMC and has generally been more active than he was in the game he was scum.
3. Kong-Seems town but his analysis earlier was pretty good for someone supposedly new. So I've moved him down to leans town.
4. Traf-doeant act like third party and doesn't appear connected with anyone.
Town
1. Me
2. Vot-the only way I see him being scum is if LC is the Fall Guy and mafia was given Cop as a fake claim which would IMO be bastard modding.
I don't think we've reached the 6 votes. Vot was already on LC before he unvoted and voted and I believe Pix was #5. 4 if DDS counts Devantes unvote.
