M:tG Planeswalker mafia - Town wins!

[Victor Sullivan]

Jace knew that there was something evil stirring in the Multiverse. Although he had his organization, the Infinite Consortium, to run, he knew he had to take action: to use his powers of telepathy to find the truth behind this evil. As he was preparing his last items for his travels, he suddenly felt a darkness behind him. It seemed so familiar, yet so strange and powerful. He tried to turn, but he felt his life force disappearing in front of him, and only managed to catch a glimpse of his killer before he collapsed on the floor of his office.

Oh dear, this is going to suck even more



-Sully

[TA1LGUNN3R]

f*ck



-Tails

[Iron Butterfly]

Ok for 3 people to be killed?

Mafia has a NK.
Freezie perhaps died role blocking someone or was targeted by town or third party.
Third party serial killer?

[sheepofdumb]

I am so sorry. My week has been hectic and somehow my CC tab got closed. Thankfully it doesn't look like I missed much.

[pancakemix]

Well.

Picking up where I left off, Vote Victor

[Iliad]

Welp, that was a lot of deaths for a 15 player game. Will re-read to see freezie's posts.
Now: vote victor

Hasn't offered anything to the game and his ''enough discussion for one day let's get onto night'' is as scummy as scummy can be.

[jgordon1111]

so now that a townie was lynched,because the hammer fell. 2 more are night killed,again i ask what is the good of lynching someone you knew was town?
Vote Victor

[Iron Butterfly]

The game is more then just Rodion.

What would the ramifications be if you are Mafia and I am Town?

There wouldn't be any, since you wouldn't feel threatened by the vig killing you if Rodion ( and yourself, for that matters ) are found out to be town.

What Illiad said, and you missed the point it seems, is that you're deeply linking yourself to Rodion, and if he is scum, then you're also a danger. If you and Rodion are town, Illiad's point stay the same. However, The vig should know to look somewhere else...Which mean nowhere, normally.

VOTE ILIAD

From his first post he has been proven 100% wrong. His whole argument against Rodian was completely wrong. For me the DAMNING evidence is that we know Freezie was Mafia. On page 22 Freezie goes out of his way to defend Iliad not once but twice.

Granted Victor Sully needs to step up. BUT for me watching Iliad trying to speed lynch Sully when he was so off the mark with Rodian tells me he is Mafia. I beleive he knows who his mafia buddies are, which is why he has voted so quickly for Sully.

This does not illiminate the possibility that Sully is perhaps a 3rd party....but to me to want to speed lynch someone after 3 players are killed first night without discussion tells me all I need to know about Iliad.

[jgordon1111]

good points Iron and correct after looking at them,But Victor in my mind is still suspect without answering the question,what was the good of hanging a player that was town

[wildwilliam]

The game is more then just Rodion.

What would the ramifications be if you are Mafia and I am Town?

There wouldn't be any, since you wouldn't feel threatened by the vig killing you if Rodion ( and yourself, for that matters ) are found out to be town.

What Illiad said, and you missed the point it seems, is that you're deeply linking yourself to Rodion, and if he is scum, then you're also a danger. If you and Rodion are town, Illiad's point stay the same. However, The vig should know to look somewhere else...Which mean nowhere, normally.

VOTE ILIAD

From his first post he has been proven 100% wrong. His whole argument against Rodian was completely wrong. For me the DAMNING evidence is that we know Freezie was Mafia. On page 22 Freezie goes out of his way to defend Iliad not once but twice.

Granted Victor Sully needs to step up. BUT for me watching Iliad trying to speed lynch Sully when he was so off the mark with Rodian tells me he is Mafia. I beleive he knows who his mafia buddies are, which is why he has voted so quickly for Sully.

This does not illiminate the possibility that Sully is perhaps a 3rd party....but to me to want to speed lynch someone after 3 players are killed first night without discussion tells me all I need to know about Iliad.

I agree with iron. I see sully as being taken advantage of.

vote iliad

[edocsil]

Here is the thing Iron. Freezie is a good player, more then intelligent enough to align himself with a town in the even that the townie may die. You also are voting him for having made an incorrect case (one that I still think was valid) You cases isn't all that damning.

That being said if we don't hound victor, Illiad still would be my second choice.

[Victor Sullivan]

Ha! Hound.

Look, I've already explained myself. Plus, anyone who throws down the gauntlet on a lynch wagon is going to look scummy. Think about it, my vote would have been far less damning if I never took my vote off of Rodion to begin with.

Besides that, there's not much else to say that hasn't already been said.

-Sully

[Iliad]

The game is more then just Rodion.

What would the ramifications be if you are Mafia and I am Town?

There wouldn't be any, since you wouldn't feel threatened by the vig killing you if Rodion ( and yourself, for that matters ) are found out to be town.

What Illiad said, and you missed the point it seems, is that you're deeply linking yourself to Rodion, and if he is scum, then you're also a danger. If you and Rodion are town, Illiad's point stay the same. However, The vig should know to look somewhere else...Which mean nowhere, normally.

VOTE ILIAD

From his first post he has been proven 100% wrong. His whole argument against Rodian was completely wrong. For me the DAMNING evidence is that we know Freezie was Mafia. On page 22 Freezie goes out of his way to defend Iliad not once but twice.

Let's clear up a few things.
Firstly you clearly have an axe to grind. If I didn't link you to Rodion yesterday would you still be making this case? Don't take mafia too personally and don't try and pursue vendettas they're kinda pointless.

Secondly being wrong in a case, especially on day 1, isn't a scumtell. To try and use objective language to attack is me is really disingenous. You can't be sure with any case, even with a cop investigation the cop could be lying, or insane, etc. What is uncontested is that Rodion acted scummily and dropped scumtells. I had a high enough opinion of him to think that, mainly the rolefish, was calculated and self-serving. You cannot deny that Rodion dropped scumtells. It is a rare day 1 which doesn't mislynch. It does suck, more so because Rodion is a good player whereas the jailer role is quite hard to use. So yes I ended up being wrong about Rodion being scum, but I wasn't wrong about him being scummy.

Thirdly, it's kinda ironic that the main thrust of your case is my alleged assosciation with freezie. You do not have any other argument against me, other than that freezie once said that I was a reasonable fellow. That isn't a connection as players are bound to side with each other occasionally. More importantly freezie was offerring quite basic mafia information on the implications of Rodion's alignment. Freezie can glide under the radar quite well like that, didn't trip off too many alarms in my head. It differs from you and Rodion, in that you repeatedly tried to shift attention, if unintentionally, from Rodion and Rodion specifically advised you.

Simply putting damning in caps lock doesn't make it so.. You don't have a case and it seems I was wrong about you; you're not a scummate of Rodion. You're simply very tunnel visioned.

Granted Victor Sully needs to step up. BUT for me watching Iliad trying to speed lynch Sully when he was so off the mark with Rodian tells me he is Mafia. I beleive he knows who his mafia buddies are, which is why he has voted so quickly for Sully.

This does not illiminate the possibility that Sully is perhaps a 3rd party....but to me to want to speed lynch someone after 3 players are killed first night without discussion tells me all I need to know about Iliad.

This is a nonsensical argument. Most importantly because there is no indication of a speed lynch, it's merely something you've conjured up. It's true a Sully lynch would be great, I'll go into the reasons in a sec, but I am quite interested in hearing what he has to say, but more importantly how others will react.

This is the complete opposite, I'm creating discssion and cases and Iron's case is that at the same time that I'm not omnipresent and perfect and that my solitary vote and condemning of Sully is enough for a speed lynch. Don't try and create cases out of thin air, you were going after shield and yoshi yesterday, but after I incriminated you, you switched your tunnel vision onto me. Kinda bothersome.

Anyway reasons why people should vote/and or pressure sully.
Firstly he's offered no input. Only fluff, here and there, but it seems he is incapable of actually creating discussion or adding anything to it.
Here go through his posts if you want.

Eh, I think I'm ready for night.

unvote(?) vote Rodion

*yawns*

-Sully

I'm ready for night is basically very transparent code for enough with your town's discussions I want to go to night already and talk to my scummates. Considering Sully has not participated in any discussions, limply going along with town general consensus, this is pretty spot on. Also note that simply posting and going with town's consensus and expressing no interest in voicing your own opinions is very scummy. Keep in mind for the future.

Look, I gave you a chance to make your claims, and I still felt you were town, even when I voted for you (it's true), but it really is time for night, and if it wasn't by my hand, we'd wait another day or two before someone else did. You dug yourself too deep to be brought back.

-Sully

This is the post that rang all the alarms, on the basis of this post I vote sully when day 2 started. The screaming scummy elephant in the room is that Victor knew that rodion would flip town. He was already trying to defend his actions and downplay, in his opinion, the coming anger when rodion would flip town. Now say all with me: who does definitely know who wouldn't as mafia?

Ha! Hound.

Look, I've already explained myself. Plus, anyone who throws down the gauntlet on a lynch wagon is going to look scummy. Think about it, my vote would have been far less damning if I never took my vote off of Rodion to begin with.

Besides that, there's not much else to say that hasn't already been said.

-Sully

Scumtell bingo. There's absolutely plenty of more discussion but I have never seen Victor at any of it. I don't particularly care if he's just lazy but he doesn't offer anything to discussions and is either useless or mafia. Incompetence is not a defense.

[slowreactor]

Vote Count:

Victor Sullivan (3) - pancakemix, Iliad, jgordon1111
Iliad (2) - Iron Butterfly, wildwilliam

[Iron Butterfly]

The game is more then just Rodion.

What would the ramifications be if you are Mafia and I am Town?

There wouldn't be any, since you wouldn't feel threatened by the vig killing you if Rodion ( and yourself, for that matters ) are found out to be town.

What Illiad said, and you missed the point it seems, is that you're deeply linking yourself to Rodion, and if he is scum, then you're also a danger. If you and Rodion are town, Illiad's point stay the same. However, The vig should know to look somewhere else...Which mean nowhere, normally.

VOTE ILIAD

From his first post he has been proven 100% wrong. His whole argument against Rodian was completely wrong. For me the DAMNING evidence is that we know Freezie was Mafia. On page 22 Freezie goes out of his way to defend Iliad not once but twice.

Let's clear up a few things.
Firstly you clearly have an axe to grind. If I didn't link you to Rodion yesterday would you still be making this case? Don't take mafia too personally and don't try and pursue vendettas they're kinda pointless.

Secondly being wrong in a case, especially on day 1, isn't a scumtell. To try and use objective language to attack is me is really disingenous. You can't be sure with any case, even with a cop investigation the cop could be lying, or insane, etc. What is uncontested is that Rodion acted scummily and dropped scumtells. I had a high enough opinion of him to think that, mainly the rolefish, was calculated and self-serving. You cannot deny that Rodion dropped scumtells. It is a rare day 1 which doesn't mislynch. It does suck, more so because Rodion is a good player whereas the jailer role is quite hard to use. So yes I ended up being wrong about Rodion being scum, but I wasn't wrong about him being scummy.

Thirdly, it's kinda ironic that the main thrust of your case is my alleged assosciation with freezie. You do not have any other argument against me, other than that freezie once said that I was a reasonable fellow. That isn't a connection as players are bound to side with each other occasionally. More importantly freezie was offerring quite basic mafia information on the implications of Rodion's alignment. Freezie can glide under the radar quite well like that, didn't trip off too many alarms in my head. It differs from you and Rodion, in that you repeatedly tried to shift attention, if unintentionally, from Rodion and Rodion specifically advised you.

Simply putting damning in caps lock doesn't make it so.. You don't have a case and it seems I was wrong about you; you're not a scummate of Rodion. You're simply very tunnel visioned.

Granted Victor Sully needs to step up. BUT for me watching Iliad trying to speed lynch Sully when he was so off the mark with Rodian tells me he is Mafia. I beleive he knows who his mafia buddies are, which is why he has voted so quickly for Sully.

This does not illiminate the possibility that Sully is perhaps a 3rd party....but to me to want to speed lynch someone after 3 players are killed first night without discussion tells me all I need to know about Iliad.

This is a nonsensical argument. Most importantly because there is no indication of a speed lynch, it's merely something you've conjured up. It's true a Sully lynch would be great, I'll go into the reasons in a sec, but I am quite interested in hearing what he has to say, but more importantly how others will react.

This is the complete opposite, I'm creating discssion and cases and Iron's case is that at the same time that I'm not omnipresent and perfect and that my solitary vote and condemning of Sully is enough for a speed lynch. Don't try and create cases out of thin air, you were going after shield and yoshi yesterday, but after I incriminated you, you switched your tunnel vision onto me. Kinda bothersome.

Anyway reasons why people should vote/and or pressure sully.
Firstly he's offered no input. Only fluff, here and there, but it seems he is incapable of actually creating discussion or adding anything to it.
Here go through his posts if you want.

Eh, I think I'm ready for night.

unvote(?) vote Rodion

*yawns*

-Sully

I'm ready for night is basically very transparent code for enough with your town's discussions I want to go to night already and talk to my scummates. Considering Sully has not participated in any discussions, limply going along with town general consensus, this is pretty spot on. Also note that simply posting and going with town's consensus and expressing no interest in voicing your own opinions is very scummy. Keep in mind for the future.

Look, I gave you a chance to make your claims, and I still felt you were town, even when I voted for you (it's true), but it really is time for night, and if it wasn't by my hand, we'd wait another day or two before someone else did. You dug yourself too deep to be brought back.

-Sully

This is the post that rang all the alarms, on the basis of this post I vote sully when day 2 started. The screaming scummy elephant in the room is that Victor knew that rodion would flip town. He was already trying to defend his actions and downplay, in his opinion, the coming anger when rodion would flip town. Now say all with me: who does definitely know who wouldn't as mafia?

Ha! Hound.

Look, I've already explained myself. Plus, anyone who throws down the gauntlet on a lynch wagon is going to look scummy. Think about it, my vote would have been far less damning if I never took my vote off of Rodion to begin with.

Besides that, there's not much else to say that hasn't already been said.

-Sully

Scumtell bingo. There's absolutely plenty of more discussion but I have never seen Victor at any of it. I don't particularly care if he's just lazy but he doesn't offer anything to discussions and is either useless or mafia. Incompetence is not a defense.

There is no axe to grind here. This is just a game and I agree 100% about Sully. William as well. When william voted you and not Sully that was a big alarm for me and affirmed what Rodion was saying about those two.

UNVOTE Illiad

This is what bothers me. We have had 3 people killed during the night.

We also have the issue of SG7/Edosil. Are we now to assume they are town when the two counter points of why asking for them to claim are dead and both were Town? That does not sit well with me.

The last thing we need is to speed lynch victor without discussion on what the hell happened last night. Its not like we dont have the time to hash everything out.

[jgordon1111]

And I ask again as I have several times Victor what was the good of lynching someone that was quite probably town,now proven to have been town. This is the point that is bothering me most and as of yet no explaination which is also bothering me.

[freezie]

I call a mulligan...And tournament games are always best of 3.

[edocsil]

And I ask again as I have several times Victor what was the good of lynching someone that was quite probably town,now proven to have been town. This is the point that is bothering me most and as of yet no explaination which is also bothering me.

The thing is you never know who is town and who isn't. Not till they are dead and not even always then. It was very possible doom was pulling a fast one and was trying to fool the town. We could never trust him the rest of the game. While I don't approve of the way Victor ended things or much of his logic that is what needed to happen yesterday.

Also Iron, the bit about the people arguing for shields death or mine is full of WIFOM. I wont go any farther into it because of how messed up it can get. All I can say is don't even think about hanging either him or I unless we actually do something scummy. You are basically arguing to hang one of us because we were forced to claim and that is foolish.

[Iron Butterfly]

And I ask again as I have several times Victor what was the good of lynching someone that was quite probably town,now proven to have been town. This is the point that is bothering me most and as of yet no explaination which is also bothering me.

The thing is you never know who is town and who isn't. Not till they are dead and not even always then. It was very possible doom was pulling a fast one and was trying to fool the town. We could never trust him the rest of the game. While I don't approve of the way Victor ended things or much of his logic that is what needed to happen yesterday.

Also Iron, the bit about the people arguing for shields death or mine is full of WIFOM. I wont go any farther into it because of how messed up it can get. All I can say is don't even think about hanging either him or I unless we actually do something scummy. You are basically arguing to hang one of us because we were forced to claim and that is foolish.

I am not arguing to hang you or SG7...however your first paragraph holds true.

Rodion had the best of intentions and Im sure he didnt expect to get jumped on the way he did. I am new at this game and would have done the same as him. To be honest I was never sure if he was town or mafia BUT I also felt the band wagon was moving to quick. A lot of telling info came out of the exchanges after it was slowed.

I beleived Doom was Mafia because of his lack of being able to see anything other then what he beleived. He would perhaps argue differently but I felt he was molding his arguments to what he wanted to beleive. I was very surprised he was Town.

Heres the thing. Mafia knew they were both Town or at least not Mafia and so where content to sit back and let Doom have his bandwagon. If there is a third party element the same holds tru for them. It is intersting to read in hindsight.

While Sully is at the top of my list followed by William, Drake and RDS1212 concern me as well. They have both played turns in the last 2 days so its not like they have an excuse they arnt on CC website. Drake played his turn today.

[edocsil]

And I ask again as I have several times Victor what was the good of lynching someone that was quite probably town,now proven to have been town. This is the point that is bothering me most and as of yet no explaination which is also bothering me.

The thing is you never know who is town and who isn't. Not till they are dead and not even always then. It was very possible doom was pulling a fast one and was trying to fool the town. We could never trust him the rest of the game. While I don't approve of the way Victor ended things or much of his logic that is what needed to happen yesterday.

Also Iron, the bit about the people arguing for shields death or mine is full of WIFOM. I wont go any farther into it because of how messed up it can get. All I can say is don't even think about hanging either him or I unless we actually do something scummy. You are basically arguing to hang one of us because we were forced to claim and that is foolish.

I am not arguing to hang you or SG7...however your first paragraph holds true.

Rodion had the best of intentions and Im sure he didnt expect to get jumped on the way he did. I am new at this game and would have done the same as him. To be honest I was never sure if he was town or mafia BUT I also felt the band wagon was moving to quick. A lot of telling info came out of the exchanges after it was slowed.

I beleived Doom was Mafia because of his lack of being able to see anything other then what he beleived. He would perhaps argue differently but I felt he was molding his arguments to what he wanted to beleive. I was very surprised he was Town.

Heres the thing. Mafia knew they were both Town or at least not Mafia and so where content to sit back and let Doom have his bandwagon. If there is a third party element the same holds tru for them. It is intersting to read in hindsight.

While Sully is at the top of my list followed by William, Drake and RDS1212 concern me as well. They have both played turns in the last 2 days so its not like they have an excuse they arnt on CC website. Drake played his turn today.

I tend to point out good posts when I see them. That was one.

[drake_259]

While Sully is at the top of my list followed by William, Drake and RDS1212 concern me as well. They have both played turns in the last 2 days so its not like they have an excuse they arnt on CC website. Drake played his turn today.

On this yes i took turns this morning at like 4am, but that was just before i had to head to work as i always do and do not have time for mafia. I'm not gonna post anything on topic atm in this thread as i no longer have time as i'm on my break which is over.

[Iron Butterfly]

While Sully is at the top of my list followed by William, Drake and RDS1212 concern me as well. They have both played turns in the last 2 days so its not like they have an excuse they arnt on CC website. Drake played his turn today.

On this yes i took turns this morning at like 4am, but that was just before i had to head to work as i always do and do not have time for mafia. I'm not gonna post anything on topic atm in this thread as i no longer have time as i'm on my break which is over.

Enough time to post night actions?

[edocsil]

While Sully is at the top of my list followed by William, Drake and RDS1212 concern me as well. They have both played turns in the last 2 days so its not like they have an excuse they arnt on CC website. Drake played his turn today.

On this yes i took turns this morning at like 4am, but that was just before i had to head to work as i always do and do not have time for mafia. I'm not gonna post anything on topic atm in this thread as i no longer have time as i'm on my break which is over.

Enough time to post night actions?

Some people do thing more important then CC.

[wildwilliam]

While Sully is at the top of my list followed by William, Drake and RDS1212 concern me as well. They have both played turns in the last 2 days so its not like they have an excuse they arnt on CC website. Drake played his turn today.

On this yes i took turns this morning at like 4am, but that was just before i had to head to work as i always do and do not have time for mafia. I'm not gonna post anything on topic atm in this thread as i no longer have time as i'm on my break which is over.

Enough time to post night actions?

Some people do thing more important then CC.

That's blasphemous!!!

[sheepofdumb]

Sully, would you mind explaining the string of one liners you've been posting? Do you just not have much to say? Have you been busy lately?