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[blacky365]

I am here, just putting kids in bed and gonna read through... I’ll be back later on

[strike wolf]

What if he doesn't play till deadline, then? What do we do?

Hoping to kick up some discussion and get an extension.

[blacky365]

Town usually wins in my experience. It hasn't happened in DBD games yet because whoever is town in every game think they can win by not playing mafia.

This is ridiculous. No one is saying anything, and no one is doing anything. The stalemate plays into scum hands.

Let me understand this correctly, jmf. You want to lynch Pika because he wants to policy lynch someone claiming for no reason when that's a mafia 101 no-no, right?

This post by rage sums up my feelings here... I have nothing to go on, I can’t really read anything into what has been said.
Apart from pika asking lots of questions without offering much in return made him scummy to me before and tbh it’s still the case.
Although nowhere near scummy enough for me to vote him.

Essentially the way I’ve read it, there are a bunch of guys arguing that flavour is important or has some significant role. And then there are those (including me) saying defo not and move on.

Not sure where the votes for my have come from, but if it’s simply for not being too active in this game, there are two reasons for it... firstly I have been super busy in real life (even missed a few turns!) and also the general direction here hasn’t given me much to comment on.
If anyone has a specific question for me then I will try to answer as best I can.

[Ragian]

unvote

Sigh... I probably voted out of frustration.

@Blacky, do you think people talking flavour are trying to fake participation?

[blacky365]

unvote

Sigh... I probably voted out of frustration.

@Blacky, do you think people talking flavour are trying to fake participation?

Pika yes, jfm no... it’s just the way it comes across.
Also, not got any issues with someone voting for me, but dgz hammered on d1, he later claimed he didn’t realise, then he has voted me today with a claim that he may unvote later if he has time... not sure what to make of this but it is coming over as very scummy

[blacky365]

To clarify... pika generally is making a lot of noise without saying anything.
Jfm seems misguided and I’ve seen him lynched for playing this way a few times.

[Pikanchion]

@Blacky, do you think people talking flavour are trying to fake participation?

Pika yes, jfm no... it’s just the way it comes across.
Also, not got any issues with someone voting for me, but dgz hammered on d1, he later claimed he didn’t realise, then he has voted me today with a claim that he may unvote later if he has time... not sure what to make of this but it is coming over as very scummy

To clarify... pika generally is making a lot of noise without saying anything.
Jfm seems misguided and I’ve seen him lynched for playing this way a few times.

Point to a single post where I discussed flavour outside of direct responses to jfm10 which were attempts to get flavour discussion dropped, and which post(s) do you think are just me making noise without saying anything?
Also

Out of curiosity (and since you made no comment at the time), what did you make of this post?

Because you and pika don't recognize it means you are not with the same group as us so yous have abilities,care to share what each of yous were doing last night,blacky aswell i reckon.

[blacky365]

jeez... this game is abit of a mindfuck!
So I have read pikas posts only and actually he doesn’t go on about flavour as much as it felt when I was reading in order... for that I apologise and remove him from my fos list.

I guess I need another read

[strike wolf]

@Rage: I'm a bit confused here. What about Blacky's post made you feel he was worth unvoting there?

I still don't like DGZ. The Blacky vote noe looks like another opportunistic vote with the timing.

[ZaBeast]

Strike, it's tobi who preemptively apologized in case he missed something (when he asked if someone said anything about why chap and mets were missing). Unless you consider blacky saying he'll read back in case he missed anything an admission of skimming.

dgz seemed eager to participate now that he's less busy (and I'm in no position to blame him for his inactivity), so I wouldn't hold his inactivity too much against him for today. However the way he hammered raz, his fluff posts (and to that I add the part about selling his vote to the highest bidder) and him jumping on the blacky bandwagon for no real reason (the only one he gave on his previous post was that he was feeling one of blacky and pika was scum) makes me lean scummy and I wouldn't be opposed to voting him if he turned out to be the majority's choice. For now I'm sticking to dakky though. I would put blacky as a distant third.

Pika hasn't been voicing any reads publicly but that seems to be consistent with his town meta. Would be nice to have him be more vocal about his reads on the future though.

[Ragian]

@Rage: I'm a bit confused here. What about Blacky's post made you feel he was worth unvoting there?

I still don't like DGZ. The Blacky vote noe looks like another opportunistic vote with the timing.

I unvoted him because I think I'm voting out of frustration that no one is taking an active part in this game. Blacky has skimmed a lot (especially with regards to Pika), but I fear that it is irresponsible for me to vote for him just based on that. If I just go by the tiniest anti-town play, I could vote blacky, dgz, dakky, and perhaps Tobi because they don't add anything to the game. Maybe one or two of them is/are scum, but really it's a shot in the dark who of them it is... So yeah, I don't feel comfortable voting blacky after all. I felt comfortable voting Razor, though.

I like how jmf started out. I don't like his points or what he's focusing on, but he genuinely tried to do something. That's how I read it anyway.

Problem is that we won't get any real discussion going unless everyone friggin' buckles up and starts writing how they interpret the rest of the players instead of just going, "Well, I don't know..." Only scum knows. We have to deduce.

[jfm10]

Every game I have played I have tried to figure out who the scum are.This game has brought a unique situation for me as I am here with my entire family so I am trying to figure out who they are so I dont put a vote on them.So far I am at Ragian and Pika definately not family and DGZ and blacky probably not family.

[Ragian]

Yeah, but flavour in your role pm doesn't mean that your family necessarily will be in the game as players. You must assume - in terms of the real world - that there are more than just the six-seven of us in the store. So, please, ignore your flavour. It's there for banter, not evidence.

Instead, look at how people have voted, when they have voted, and what reasons they have given for voting as they did. Look at what people have said and is there are any discrepancies in that.

[Skoffin]

Vote Count
9 alive, 5 needed to lynch.

Pikanchion ---- JFM (1)
dakky21 -------
Ragian ---------
strike wolf ----
JFM ------
blacky365 ----- dgz (1)
dgz345 ---------
Beast ---
Tobikera ------- pika (1)

[jfm10]

Yeah, but flavour in your role pm doesn't mean that your family necessarily will be in the game as players. You must assume - in terms of the real world - that there are more than just the six-seven of us in the store. So, please, ignore your flavour. It's there for banter, not evidence.

Instead, look at how people have voted, when they have voted, and what reasons they have given for voting as they did. Look at what people have said and is there are any discrepancies in that.

You say 6 or 7 players but there are 9 of us so that could be considered a discrepency.Trying to get me to change my method could be deemed as scumish.
I will reveal now my discrepancy to just clarify any night actions taken against me.I honestly thought that I was VT but I have an ability so that makes me just a townie.

[jfm10]

My name would reveal my ability.

[jfm10]

Pikanchion ---- not family
dakky21 ------- sibling/parent
Ragian --------- not family
strike wolf ---- ?
JFM ------ sibling
blacky365 ----- probably not family
dgz345 --------- probably not family
Beast --- ?
Tobikera parent/sibling
Raz(deceased) parent

This is what I have come up with so far.

[jfm10]

And the tired supervisor i forgot but he was niether scum or family.

[Ragian]

Strike, it's tobi who preemptively apologized in case he missed something (when he asked if someone said anything about why chap and mets were missing). Unless you consider blacky saying he'll read back in case he missed anything an admission of skimming.

dgz seemed eager to participate now that he's less busy (and I'm in no position to blame him for his inactivity), so I wouldn't hold his inactivity too much against him for today. However the way he hammered raz, his fluff posts (and to that I add the part about selling his vote to the highest bidder) and him jumping on the blacky bandwagon for no real reason (the only one he gave on his previous post was that he was feeling one of blacky and pika was scum) makes me lean scummy and I wouldn't be opposed to voting him if he turned out to be the majority's choice. For now I'm sticking to dakky though. I would put blacky as a distant third.

Pika hasn't been voicing any reads publicly but that seems to be consistent with his town meta. Would be nice to have him be more vocal about his reads on the future though.

Hurrah! A grown-up! (Get it?)

Anyway, I see your points on dgz, but I think the same could be said of a fair few players. I have doubts about voting dakky. Not that I think he's trying to be a valuable member of town at all, but aage was all over him, and in my experience, a lynchee is town. I'm sticking to that for now.

Yeah, but flavour in your role pm doesn't mean that your family necessarily will be in the game as players. You must assume - in terms of the real world - that there are more than just the six-seven of us in the store. So, please, ignore your flavour. It's there for banter, not evidence.

Instead, look at how people have voted, when they have voted, and what reasons they have given for voting as they did. Look at what people have said and is there are any discrepancies in that.

You say 6 or 7 players but there are 9 of us so that could be considered a discrepency.Trying to get me to change my method could be deemed as scumish.
I will reveal now my discrepancy to just clarify any night actions taken against me.I honestly thought that I was VT but I have an ability so that makes me just a townie.

Explain to me your "method", please.

[jfm10]

I have always tried to figure out who the scum are,this game i am trying to figure out who the town are.I believe there is one scum for sure on Razors lynch but the way town has played in all my previous games I'm not confident enough to say they would have needed anymore.

[jfm10]

If the order at which names appear as votes is the order they came in at I don't believe Ragian is scum.Pika being the third vote has me thinking he is the scum.I do think that Ragian was the biggest instigator for Razors demise though.Pika being adament about policy lynches and it would seem he isn't getting his way has him quietly sitting back trying to come up with a new approach.

[Ragian]

That post I can get behind. I don't necessarily agree with all your conclusions, but as long as you're analysing voting patters, I'm happy as Larry.

[strike wolf]

Ahh you're right. I thought both of them has been accused of skimming but it looks like it was more Tobi.

Right now I could vote DGZ or Blacky. Maybe Tobi if that's the way the vote goes. I don't really like Dakkys play from an effectiveness standpoint but it seems more or less in his town meta from what little I remember so I won't vote for him unless something changes.

[dgz345]

Looks like im drawing attention to myself by trying to get a lynch in before deadline. Unvote

i still don't know what's best for town. a potential scum lynch or no lynch. (asking for opinions here)

[dgz345]

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