Balance Not Included Mafia 3/12 End Game: Balance. Town Wins

[StorrZerg]

Here is the deal, i refuse to claim for at least the afternoon on the 17th. (That would be after the 48 hour day mark, and before the 72 hour mark) I'm not following CC protocal, so what. I was put to L-1 within 12 hours because of wagon voters, based on that i was wanting another lynch candidate over virus pending virus input into the game. My push on DJ was very conditional. Most people pushing me seem to be ignorant of the effort i placed into the game, in order to rally people on virus, to not have tons of random 1 lynch votes which do NOTHING for town.

being stubborn is not alignment indicative (PCM vs mets day 1, was not going ANYWHERE) , and not wanting to claim for the sake of a claim is not alignment indicative.

You all know i am going to claim a power role. I'll say this, my role will not revel any new information today. I can't prove anything today with my power.

[StorrZerg]

Storr: I am with you in regards to people not posting. I noticed that IB and James were not posting and while it was on my mind because I would like to know if anyone has anything interesting to add to the game, all I have to work with is what I saw. I Full on know real life comes up as I had that occur for me and I do see some of your points but I am somewhat unconvinced for the plain reason I didnt agree with your reason for pushing Virus in the first place and your defense of him in my eyes but I respect your vigor and your explanations. Im not pushing you because you pushed me but just because of what I saw occur. I have pinned you and another as my other Mafia choices but much like what PCM said, a claim helps us to make a determination and while you are skating I will stay until I find something better or get a claim I am okay with.

Which reason did you not agree with pushing virus? Because i gave many. "who is your other?" Also, how can you honestly believe all the effort i took into day 1 to push virus, and get him lynched, and a last min defense of him, is MORE SCUMMY, than someone who defends virus early on, or never even votes him.

As for your thoughts on me, I became active again when the BW on virus was over and the claim was given people were backing off, I started it back up claiming I didnt believe it at the time I came back before there was a BW on me. So while you make some interesting points, there was no reason for me to vote him without first attempting to defend myself and redirect to someone else rather than go after virus if we were in fact scummates.

Personally my thoughts on you regarding your alignment have been shifting a little more towards townie. I still find the predicament with you and virus odd, yet you do seem to care. As for people backing off the wagon, The wagon was still in full pressure mode. He had L-1 when i unovoted, and then tambo. Putting him L-3. Tambo only unovted because he thought i had hammered and ended the day. Virus was never off the block for a second at any point when he was put to L-2. You can't exactly say you pushed on virus before the wagon on you happened. The wagon only got 3 people high, with tambo only voting after you made your post. I had pressured you before you went onto virus. I do give you some credit though, it is unlikely if you are mafia with virus, that you vote him at that point. Re-looking exactly at the vote times, i think you are right and much of my pressure on you is lost. The main majority of the pressure at the time was your inactivity.

I too would like to hear from others but I dont forsee putting pressure on James to be worthwhile since they are not watching the game however I would like to request a PROD please of those who havent posted

FP x4 and Im too lazy to go back and update since its all relevant up until James posted.....

[StorrZerg]

Storr, I thought you were scummy day 1, and I still think you are getting scummier by the post today.
You can't just make a blanket statement like this... (and then complain that i made a blanket statement on you...)
If you weren't at L-2, my vote would definitely be on you. However, I will be more than happy to put you back at L-1, and would if it weren't for the possibility of an unneeded speed lynch that became my fault in part.
You seem a bit overly defensive with this statement. "become my fault" Sure it is very reasonable that no one should end the day early. Why do you make the comment "your fault" though? I think you are a bit more worried about how you appear to town because you are mafia. I suppose you know i am town as well then, so that equally terrifies you, and why it is so hard for you to actually present a reasonable case.

My defense of virus was ONLY to help push a case on you.
See thats funny cause i was right about virus...
One of the many, many reasons behind my thoughts of you being scummy, but it was the clearest to explain and make sense of. An unwarranted wagon seemed very scummy to me,
Hmm, unwarranted. I suppose it was warranted though since he was mafia, and was acting scummy. You might be right about the initial attack on virus, but my case on him evolved in the game. I even agree with you that the basis of the case in the early stage was not good enough for a lynch. It was good enough to put pressure on someone.
and a good defense is the best offense was my mentality.
Fantastic, then you should love me for being on the offensive even though I'm being forced to claim.

If you have any questions regarding my actions with Virus, PLEASE ask instead of make a blanket statement that I am scummy because of it. I am more than willing to answer questions, but not unspecific attacks.
I'd love to be more specific. I'll give it a good shot with this post, also again you can take your own advice and be more specific about why you think i am scummy.

1. storrzerg- Scummy, reasons listed in previous posts, of my own and others.
Can you be more specific? you are very vague on your reasoning. Maybe quote a post or something specific i've said that you dont' like.

4. Djfireside- Leaning town, but not a ton of posting to get a clear read on.
5. Pancake- No opinion, but suggesting replacements over lynching is always a town-move. Doesn't necessarily make one town though
6. Jamesker- 4th Party... Doh!
Interesting you say 4th party.... Not sure what to make of it.
7. Jonty- Not much posting. Very hard to get a read. Hopped on the Storr wagon.
8. Iron Butterfly- Same as above
10. Silver Samus- Same as above.
11. Metsfanmax- No opinion, but town feel to his posts.
12. Spiesr- 95% town. Very clear thinking, just town agenda overall.

Ellaboration:

The Mets v Pancake argument sidetracked things Day 1, and either was a mafia ploy to fight and separate or an unintentional town argument between two active and intelligent players. I have more faith in the latter, but because the first is a possibility I'm not saying anything definitive.
Hmm i wonder who convinced them to vote for someone that had a possibility of being lynched.... uhhhh who was that really annoying guy.. o yeah Storr...

Spiesr is extremely clear with reasoning, forms his own opinions for votes,and won't wagon for the sake of wagonning as many have so far. Very town agenda, and I would say 100% town if certainty wasn't impossible.

Jonty, Streaker, IB, and DJ are all under the radar, but I am also, so I don't want to attribute this to scuminess lest I become a hypocrite. However, it is suspicious, and all of them have made town-ish posts that don't seem too out of line.

Storr is still my number one suspect. You shouldn't have to pat yourself on the back for "town moves"- that makes them seem planned out and calculated. Just like breadcrumbing your role to use as a backup for a claim. It could really be proof, or it could be planned out, but since you provided that info, it now all means nothing. Let someone else recognize town moves by making some more.
Well you all ready said i made town moves day 1, but choose to ignore them. Seems a bit contradictory to me. In fact this game, i don't know if there is anything i could to be town in your eyes, the way you pressure me seems to be more like "what ever storr does, it doesn't matter i'm still going to call him scum" I want to go back to "let someone else recognize storr's town moves" How is this possible, when I'm set right away to L-1? Shouldn't i be defending myself? Or should i be passive, just claim and let "everyone else figure it out". Regardless of who points out any merits i have, people are welcome to give their opinions on them. (and they should)


"My actions on day 1, are very easy to read as someone who WANTS a lynch to happen, anyone giving the opinion that i wanted a No lynch is 100% wrong."

Yes, but the target didn't seem to matter- myself, DJ, and everyone else that you are STILL accusing today- so that point is invalid. If you had one set person, might give you town cred, but as I said before, you were and still are trying to make any case stick that you can.
I'm starting to move off dj (he does seem like he is trying to figure out the game) , yet i wasn't willing to lynch anyone day 1. Even a list of 4 is still only 1/3 of the people in the game. That is hardly being "wild" about my pushes. Maybe this helps some people about my mindset when i play mafia. Everyone is guilty until proven innocent. I don't wait for people to "become scummy" I hunt for scum like a lion stalking a wildebeest.

FP'd by DJ and mets

Doesn't seem like you have done to much to find scum this game. Day 1 and day 2 are identical for you. you really feel like mafia, you seem to not want to get "sticky" with anyone, call everyone town or uknown save for 1 person that you have blindly pushed since day 1.

See the big difference for your push on myself, and how i pushed virus, I was explaining why i thought virus was scum, i was rounding up people to get off stubborn single votes, I was getting people who hadn't posted in days to speak up. I wanted things to happen, and i made things happen. You are not trying to do anything on your own. You had to be questioned, provoked into giving reads on people in the game, You have to be questioned and poked to explain your reasoning. (which you keep avoiding)

[StorrZerg]

@Spiesr convo you put up

I don't believe there are two mafia factions. I was just pointing out that you appear to believe that, but were making a point in your defence that doesn't work at all if there are two. You should know that that point falls apart with two scum factions and I have a problem with you presenting it and espousing that belief.

If i was the other mafia faction, i'd be very stupid to present that. Why? because i all ready know about it, and the other mafia faction doesn't. No one seems to be agreeing with that idea, so it probably isn't the case. It could be as simple as 1 mafia faction of 3, and the cult.

His activity level is unacceptable. His lack of posts make it difficult for me to get a real read on him. I don't think it is a deliberate attempt to scumarine. This line is weird because he didn't actually make a defence of Virus, certainly not one that advanced a case on you.

His "advancement" was that i made a poor case on virus "An unwarranted wagon seemed very scummy to me" is his wording. Him calling the wagon on virus "unwarranted" is defending virus, as well as attacking msyelf.

You will be lynched if you don't provide one. If you are town that would be bad for the town. Refusing to claim when you have the level of votes you do is practically policy lynch material. As such we won't even learn as much from your lynch, since anyone voting you at the point will be sufficiently justified as to be beyond question. You can talk your way out of being lynched (after a claim), but you can't talk your way out of having to claim anymore.

I'd hope all lynches this game are done because people feel the suspect is scum. Not for "not giving a claim" I perfectly understand the implications of not claiming and being lynched as town. (and i 'ave made a response to this on when i may claim). You should be discussing why i'm not claiming, instead of stating "policy" regarding claiming. Here is the deal, i'm forcing people (or attempting) to talk about myself, and the game. Talk about why i am scummy before the claim. Exactly what you have stated "anyone voting you would be justified" if a claim hasn't happened when i'm lynched. If by chance i am lynched, i want to set up town in the best position to lynch scum who pressured me. I will get a better read on people as they push me, the ones that are pushing me because they think i'm scum. The ones that are pushing me because of "policy" Those that push me for "wagon related reasons" If I had claimed at L-1, i wouldn't be getting anything out of the game. Town would not be getting anything out of the game. It simply would come down to "shit we outed that role" or "shit idk if i believe that claim" I feel the claim, should be reserved for AFTER discussion has been held, and enough reason has been placed forward. If that makes me scum, please call me out for it.

From this I conclude that you should think it was a mistake for Virus not to vote for Djfireside. Is there any reason that you think that the version of the mistake where Djfireside is scum is more likely that the one where he is town?

Well my opinion has changed on Djfireside. Regardless, virus did make a mistake. and mistakes he made, seem to be very plentiful.

On it's own the number of deaths in the night increases the chances of there being two scum groups to a higher level than if there had been just one death. However, I still feel like there only being one mafia group & a cult (which may or may not have any surviving members) is more likely.

I'm not sure how cult works with strikers set up. Its likely he died before recruiting, its likely the recruits cannot recruit any more if that happened. Sometimes recruits lose their power when they join. Its also possible a SK is in the game. I doubt i would bring up 2 scum groups if only 1 person had died.

[Iron Butterfly]

Here is the deal, i refuse to claim for at least the afternoon on the 17th. (That would be after the 48 hour day mark, and before the 72 hour mark) I'm not following CC protocal, so what. I was put to L-1 within 12 hours because of wagon voters, based on that i was wanting another lynch candidate over virus pending virus input into the game. My push on DJ was very conditional. Most people pushing me seem to be ignorant of the effort i placed into the game, in order to rally people on virus, to not have tons of random 1 lynch votes which do NOTHING for town.

being stubborn is not alignment indicative (PCM vs mets day 1, was not going ANYWHERE) , and not wanting to claim for the sake of a claim is not alignment indicative.

You all know i am going to claim a power role. I'll say this, my role will not revel any new information today. I can't prove anything today with my power.

I hate F%^KING control freaks. You sir were not the reason Virus was lynched. Sure you brought the initial push but anyone with half a brain should have voted Virus for his mistakes alone. I voted Virus not because you presented a terrific case but because Virus's play deserved a lynch. He claimed One shot Vig. I am not going to waste my time arguing why I think he should have been lynched for that alone. So take the self righteous hero of the Town crap elsewhere.

Second when the f*ck did you suddenly become maker of the rules? Yeh call me emotional but rules are important. So we have to claim when you say so? Your the self proclaimed Mayor of the Town, which has somehow given you license to dictate game play. If everyone is a Power role then we may as well lynch those we believe are scum without a claim and hope for the best. As a final note sometimes you need to just shut up and let the information speak for itself instead of trying to bend people to do what you believe. Yes its mafia but parsing every comment as if its important only gets the important ones lost in a wall of texts. Trust me when I say the game will not die out and wither if you do not comment on every other sentence. RANT OFF

Now could there be two mafia factions as suggested? On second thought I now believe yes. I mean one has to ask themselves why wouldn't there be if the game is based on imbalance? So that theory is a possibility. It could actually even balance out cult in that way IF they die if targeting mafia. I forget which game it was but Jak was the lying vampire hunter and the mafia faction could vote as a blocking action but could not kill. So perhaps the same holds true here.

Which leads to YOU. I think it would be a stupid gambit if you were mafia to out your mafia team mate and it was fairly apparent you were serious on your initial push. I do not think your mafia. That would not rule out other roles however.

I am still stuck on Jonty pushing you to L1. I also find James 4th party comment odd.

[StorrZerg]

You do have a correction in your post
The reason you voted virus was not because of the claim that maybe why you KEPT your vote on virus. You voted him for "skimming" You voted virus, right after i called you out. At that point in time you hadn't actually given your own view of the game. After that, you made your case on virus and voted being the #3 person on the lynch.

Thanks for calling me the mayor. I'm not the maker of rules either, Some "general guidelines are in play" for example "claim at L-2" yet, Anyone call scream at me to claim at this point in the game. It isn't alignment indicative to do so. It isn't good for town. (notice how i was not pushing virus for a claim, i was pushing virus to contribute to the game, and hammering him when he failed to do so) Its like lynching an afk person on day 1. Sure it was a good thing to do since they are not even playing the game, but if they flip town you really don't know anything about the people who pushed, because it is policy. Forcing me to claim because of policy isn't pro town.
debating my actions all of day 1 is pro town, ignoring everything day 1 save for the last 24 hours is not pro town. Reading other people in the game besides myself, is pro-town. So while you may hate and despise me for not claiming to claim. I am trying to further the game and figure things out.

The things i've done in this crusade to lynch me.
Discussions with Djfireside, lead me to change my read on him.
Pushing a case on James. (getting james to give reads on the game, instead of just saying 1 name was scum and thats it)
Defending myself
Striking down policy, and trying to generate discussion.
Questioning the night kills, trying to figure out what they mean.

last thing I want to bring up Jonty.
all he has done day 2 has make a very wagoning push on me that put me to L-1.
@jonty Do you honestly believe i was "protecting" virus, after all the pushing i did on him day 1. Do you believe i am of the same team of virus? You have a history of placing people to L-1, prematurely. We are in a game where we may have vote altering powers. Pushing someone to L-1, could have ended the day right there. Unknowingly. Show some good faith right now, and give some reads on the game. being tunneled and ak on me waiting for a claim is unacceptable.

[pancakemix]

Here is the deal, i refuse to claim for at least the afternoon on the 17th. (That would be after the 48 hour day mark, and before the 72 hour mark) I'm not following CC protocal, so what. I was put to L-1 within 12 hours because of wagon voters, based on that i was wanting another lynch candidate over virus pending virus input into the game. My push on DJ was very conditional. Most people pushing me seem to be ignorant of the effort i placed into the game, in order to rally people on virus, to not have tons of random 1 lynch votes which do NOTHING for town.

Suit yourself.

I might buy that on a surface level, but honestly your activity doesn't suggest that. It suggests that you wanted virus to come in and do just enough to prevent his lynch. If you were town, you would have voted virus the moment you felt like he wasn't going to come in. The push on DJ was because... honestly, I don't know. I mean, you said it was because of this...

no one has counter claimed being a vig, likely that Virus is real

But you had just said this halfway up the page:

fyi. mafia have fake claims in this game

So I don't know why your grounds for believing the claim would be no counters since you knew there were fakes. Otherwise there was really no reason to go for DJ; he was a distant second whose votes were based on inactivity (and then he showed up). You knew that in 6 hours there would be no way to coordinate that effort to switch the lynch even if you were town. You wanted a no lynch. So when you call this a bandwagon, do remember that it's at least based on something.

"GOD I DID SO MUCH FOR YOU I'M SUCH A MARTYR!" Please. Your effort really doesn't matter if you're scum. And since you've exhibited scummy behavior, I have to react accordingly. Your push on virus wasn't the deciding factor. It was - surprise! - his claim.

[Djfireside]

Here is the deal, i refuse to claim for at least the afternoon on the 17th. (That would be after the 48 hour day mark, and before the 72 hour mark) I'm not following CC protocal, so what. I was put to L-1 within 12 hours because of wagon voters, based on that i was wanting another lynch candidate over virus pending virus input into the game. My push on DJ was very conditional. Most people pushing me seem to be ignorant of the effort i placed into the game, in order to rally people on virus, to not have tons of random 1 lynch votes which do NOTHING for town.

being stubborn is not alignment indicative (PCM vs mets day 1, was not going ANYWHERE) , and not wanting to claim for the sake of a claim is not alignment indicative.

You all know i am going to claim a power role. I'll say this, my role will not revel any new information today. I can't prove anything today with my power.

There is too much to respond to so Im going to stick with this smaller quote . Im not sure why you are delaying but I am one who gives the benefit of the doubt, so I personally will allow it to see what happens. I will spend the time trying to decipher what occurred during the night and putting together what I believe is in the game. I will review all posts and give you a stay of responding in my mind but will expect what you are stating. Claiming now may give us time to do another case but Ill play along for now and watch my targets to make sure Im on point.

fp PCM but doesnt affect my post.

[jonty125]

Storr, you're at L-2, it's very unlikely people are going to unvote, until you claim. Also Storr, I disagree with you claiming town creds because tambo thought you were town because he had a "town mindset", that doesn't mean he's infallible and also that Newbie Mafia, there were lots of players there with town mindsets, and yet the mafia weren't lynched. Also, the I'd never kill Tambo, doesn't do anything for me, it sounds like the kind of thing I hear when I play mafia with my mates and the lynch is based on weak cases and it's all a laugh and a joke.

In reference to me putting Storr @ L-1

you just don't jump in and put someone at L1 before they claim. That has been CC mafia protocol forever.

L-2/L-1 are very similar IB at this stage of the game we're not at LYLO, if someone had speed-hammered Storr after his claim - then we would have an easy D3 suspect.


Do I honestly believe you[Storr] were protecting virus? At the end of D1, yes. If you want me to give some reads Storr, you're probably gonna be disappointed but I like to keep everyone close or on neutral, unless they do extreme things (as that way I can try to keep an open mind)

So I currently see pcm & mets, as leaning slightly town, that D1 argument smelt town on town but it could verily easily not have been. And everyone else I'm keeping at neutral.

[StorrZerg]

People should unvote me if they think I'm town. People should vote if they think I'm scummy. People should not hold a vote for the sake of a claim. That is 100% not pro town

[StorrZerg]

@jonty so you believe that I pushed and hammered virus th majority of day 1, rounding up town off random votes, only to try and save him in the end? If I had that plan, don't you think I would have set it up better?


As for those saying they voted virus for the claim, he was also the only clear possible lynch at that point.

I still disagree that his role claim was scummy. I feel it makes sense in a game where everyone has a role and only 12 people. It felt balanced. Having a different read on a claim doesn't make me scum.
I was still pushing virus in the end. His claim had the possibility to prove itself. Yet he was kept showing scum, hence why I was going to hammer him.

If anything I'm guilty of being unsure of my read because I didn't know the alignment of virus.

People who don't falter on a read usually know to much..

[StorrZerg]

Dj, I've explained several times why I am delaying. There is absolutely no reason why multiple people cannot discuss multiple reads. Take the first step and unvote.

[StorrZerg]

Pcm stop acting like you think I'm scum. Stop pushing because it's policy to make someone claim at L-2. You are not even presenting a different angle to the case in me. You could very well talk about me pulling you off mets, when he was "blindly" defending virus.

[Metsfanmax]

Here is the deal, i refuse to claim for at least the afternoon on the 17th. (That would be after the 48 hour day mark, and before the 72 hour mark) I'm not following CC protocal, so what. I was put to L-1 within 12 hours because of wagon voters, based on that i was wanting another lynch candidate over virus pending virus input into the game. My push on DJ was very conditional. Most people pushing me seem to be ignorant of the effort i placed into the game, in order to rally people on virus, to not have tons of random 1 lynch votes which do NOTHING for town.

being stubborn is not alignment indicative (PCM vs mets day 1, was not going ANYWHERE) , and not wanting to claim for the sake of a claim is not alignment indicative.

You all know i am going to claim a power role. I'll say this, my role will not revel any new information today. I can't prove anything today with my power.

I hate F%^KING control freaks. You sir were not the reason Virus was lynched. Sure you brought the initial push but anyone with half a brain should have voted Virus for his mistakes alone. I voted Virus not because you presented a terrific case but because Virus's play deserved a lynch. He claimed One shot Vig. I am not going to waste my time arguing why I think he should have been lynched for that alone. So take the self righteous hero of the Town crap elsewhere.

Just going to second the other comments here. I ended up voting virus not because of any argument Storr made, but because that's just what the claim forced me to do. I also didn't end the debate with PCM because of anything that Storr said, but because it was a silly argument (which I said many times). Storr, you really are trying to exert way too much control over everyone else, and it's backfiring. Whether you like it or not, refusing to claim will be bad for you. You cannot really control this policy because the policy has essentially always been, claim at L-2 or get lynched, and if you choose to take the latter option then that will be fine for most of us.

[StorrZerg]

hell maybe i claim tonight since the majority of you seem incapable of playing the game "mafia" with out having a claim happen. Incapable of discussing peoples reads, unable to list more than 1 scum target. Unable to generate their own town reads with out being prompted. Unable to read me for all of day 1, yet being ok to tunnel on the last 24 hours of day 1.

[HotShot53]

Well, the 15th is now over and the craziness of work will slow down slightly for a couple weeks, so I'm ready to play more now... unfortunately, I seem to be dead lol. After day 1, I thought I'd have a chance at winning as a cult recruiter, too... oh well, maybe next time. Good luck to any third parties out there, if there are any!

[pancakemix]

Pcm stop acting like you think I'm scum.

Wow, really? I don't actually have an opinion anymore?

I don't have time to actually comment, but... wow.

[StorrZerg]

it doesn't seen to me you care about my alignment. Just my claim. I'm calling it as i see it.

[spiesr]

[/quote]Refusing to claim when the town/conditions demand it certainly feels scummy.

Storr is still my number one suspect. You shouldn't have to pat yourself on the back for "town moves"- that makes them seem planned out and calculated. Just like breadcrumbing your role to use as a backup for a claim. It could really be proof, or it could be planned out, but since you provided that info, it now all means nothing. Let someone else recognize town moves by making some more.

Well you all ready said i made town moves day 1, but choose to ignore them. Seems a bit contradictory to me. In fact this game, i don't know if there is anything i could to be town in your eyes, the way you pressure me seems to be more like "what ever storr does, it doesn't matter i'm still going to call him scum" I want to go back to "let someone else recognize storr's town moves" How is this possible, when I'm set right away to L-1? Shouldn't i be defending myself? Or should i be passive, just claim and let "everyone else figure it out". Regardless of who points out any merits i have, people are welcome to give their opinions on them. (and they should)

JamesKer does have a bit of a point here. Scum act like town. One potential difference is they might have to consciously act the part rather than have it simply flow from them actually being town. When you point out the town things you have done it makes those things feel more like deliberate moves as opposed to the natural result of you being town, than it would if everyone observed and realised those actions themselves. That said, if people don't pay attention to what you have done sometimes you have to point it out to them. Also, something about a scum buddy could just point talk about it for you. (Although in that case we at least have "X mentioned the town things Y did" as a way to tie those players together if one of them flips scum.)

I'd hope all lynches this game are done because people feel the suspect is scum. Not for "not giving a claim"

The thing is, not giving a claim tends to make people think you are scum.

You should be discussing why i'm not claiming, instead of stating "policy" regarding claiming.

Okay, possible reasons you aren't claiming:

• You are some sort of town power role and feel that you revealing which one will ruin your effectiveness. (Usually people doing this one overestimate their value or how badly claiming will impact them.)
• You are scum and don't have an airtight fake. You were hoping you could talk your way out of having to claim. Your continued insistence on the matter now that it is brining you negative attention is you playing the part. Trying to get us to think it is one of the other reasons.
• You are a stubborn bastard trying to challenge the meta.

[StorrZerg]

It's hard to not defend oneself when they get placed to L-1 immediately. 0 discussion happened. I was not even allowed to defend myself in some people's eyes. A claim was required before some could be bothered to contribute.

Do you see me on day 1 being very defensive. Pointing out my townness. I'm doing it deliberately now because I'm forced to, I'm defending myself refusing to bend to immediately to policy so that information is on the table for tomorrow.


I delayed claiming in hopes I could convince people I was town. Baring that I said I would claim later, why? So that discussion was forced. I would consider it to be a personal f*ck up if I claimed and was insta lynched because "claims weak". To allow town to be in the next day with the "well we all thought it was a bad claim, he did pull off virus, so no one's fault for voting him.

[StorrZerg]

Im bitter about being forced to claim... I am Reginald Philman the Town Crier

Each night I may watch 1 person (yes I can self watch )
If said person dies in the night, information in the killer will show up in the day post.

[pancakemix]

it doesn't seen to me you care about my alignment. Just my claim. I'm calling it as i see it.

Then you're blind. Seriously. Get over yourself. You're not the Son of God come to teach us heathens how to play this game only to have us crucify you. Knock it off with the act.

I made a case. I made points that suggest that you are scummy. I don't care if others have said the same thing, you haven't responded it to my satisfaction. You can deal with it or not, but don't presume to tell me what I think.

Im bitter about being forced to claim... I am Reginald Philman the Town Crier

Each night I may watch 1 person (yes I can self watch )
If said person dies in the night, information in the killer will show up in the day post.

Yeah, yeah, we get it, it's begrudgingly, whatever.

The name sounds legit. Wanna tell us your action? Or is the day post thing all you get?

My big issue comes with the role name. "Town Crier" is not something I would expect to be a watcher, though I guess I get it. Though I don't get the Regis Philbin parody in the context. It doesn't seem to add up...

[StorrZerg]

Self watched. The flavor text is quite funny. Might have to do with a famous person with a similar name.

[Iron Butterfly]

So who did you watch last night and why?

How would this be useful if mafia/anti Town are going to lie about their claim if you catch them? A watcher can see who exactly visited someone if they are killed. Your description makes it sound like you only give "information" about the killer. If that is the case you would be useless against cult as the game wore on as they do not kill but recruit.

I suppose it could help in deciphering and better understanding about what really happened instead of guessing. If Virus had lived to use his ability and you watched his victim your role would let the mod put in the night scene how the victim was killed?

Please elaborate because I wish to make sure there is no confusion on my part. If the role is as I think it is it is hardly a power house role.

[StorrZerg]

So who did you watch last night and why?
myself. Didn't expect to live the night since I pushed so hard on confirmed scum.
How would this be useful if mafia/anti Town are going to lie about their claim if you catch them?
I don't need my role to catch scum. My role has limited power. It could be proved.

A watcher can see who exactly visited someone if they are killed. Your description makes it sound like you only give "information" about the killer.
correct. That is why the role is named Crier, because some will happen in the day post. The player who did the killing would not be named out right. A falied kill would also activate my power to give information in the day post.

If that is the case you would be useless against cult as the game wore on as they do not kill but recruit.
I suppose so.

I suppose it could help in deciphering and better understanding about what really happened instead of guessing. If Virus had lived to use his ability and you watched his victim your role would let the mod put in the night scene how the victim was killed?
I believe that to be correct. Hence my 2 mafia theory.

Please elaborate because I wish to make sure there is no confusion on my part. If the role is as I think it is it is hardly a power house role.
sure, not that great.