Actors Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[blakebowling]

I think zimmah needs to calm down on his case against blake it isn't like the deadline is knocking on the door and I don't really feel their is a case.

you're about the 3rd or 4th one to tell me my case on blake is wrong, but none of you provides a better case.

Lets analyze you then. Why are you jumping from person to person. Do you not care who dies today?

lol, i have only pursued you so far, get your facts straigt.

I seem to recall you going hard on drunkmonkey as well.

Why me? I really don't understand that. I placed a joke vote, and then got busy and didn't return. What is scummy about that?

[zimmah]

I think zimmah needs to calm down on his case against blake it isn't like the deadline is knocking on the door and I don't really feel their is a case.

you're about the 3rd or 4th one to tell me my case on blake is wrong, but none of you provides a better case.

Lets analyze you then. Why are you jumping from person to person. Do you not care who dies today?

lol, i have only pursued you so far, get your facts straigt.

I seem to recall you going hard on drunkmonkey as well.

Why me? I really don't understand that. I placed a joke vote, and then got busy and didn't return. What is scummy about that?

why are you making me repeat myself for the 10th time? i allready said that this are the reasons:

1) you placed a vote on yourself (basicly a no-lynch since you knew you wasn't in risk of getting lynched)
2) you was inactive after that, and you probably knew you would be inactive after you voted yourself, effectifly resulting in no-lynch. and whether you planned it or not, there was no lynch that day, so, mission succesfull?

also, noone of you has provided any better case, and if this continues we'll have no lynch today as well.

at this rate, mafia can just win without any trouble, as each night people will get killed, and each day noone votes for anyone, and the only person that actually is trying to get a lynch, is being suspected.

[blakebowling]

You don't listen. I already stated that I wasn't expecting to be busy, yet you still use the assumption that I was to pressure me.

Honestly, most of the other people seem to have more sense than to lynch me on something as trivial as a joke vote, so I'm not worried.

IMO it's too obvious that BG would have wanted to kill wildwilliam last night. The question is, who would want to frame BG?

[zimmah]

You don't listen. I already stated that I wasn't expecting to be busy, yet you still use the assumption that I was to pressure me.

Honestly, most of the other people seem to have more sense than to lynch me on something as trivial as a joke vote, so I'm not worried.

IMO it's too obvious that BG would have wanted to kill wildwilliam last night. The question is, who would want to frame BG?

like i said, jokevote or not, and intentional or not, day 1 resulted in a no-lynch.

hiding behind exuses like that is an easy way out for potential mafia.

until anyone comes with anything better, i'll keep my vote on you.

[drunkmonkey]

IMO it's too obvious that BG would have wanted to kill wildwilliam last night. The question is, who would want to frame BG?

I may be slow again. Why is it obvious that BG would want to kill wildwilliam?

[BGtheBrain]

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[blakebowling]

IMO it's too obvious that BG would have wanted to kill wildwilliam last night. The question is, who would want to frame BG?

I may be slow again. Why is it obvious that BG would want to kill wildwilliam?

wildwilliam's only conflict was with BG. Therefore a good scum would hope that someone would make the connection and the attention would focus on BG. I only brought it up so we don't end up killing the wrong person, or once again not doing anything.

[Rodion]

IMO it's too obvious that BG would have wanted to kill wildwilliam last night. The question is, who would want to frame BG?

I may be slow again. Why is it obvious that BG would want to kill wildwilliam?

wildwilliam's only conflict was with BG. Therefore a good scum would hope that someone would make the connection and the attention would focus on BG. I only brought it up so we don't end up killing the wrong person, or once again not doing anything.

I find that rather weak. The whole switch of focus to "who would potentially want to frame BG" when nobody at all attempted to link William's death to BG's alignmenst seems unnecessary at best and scummy at worst by trying to move the focus off of you. I'll consider it FOS worthy since the original focus on you was lacking legitimacy (namely, Zimmah's "self-vote + inactivity" case).

As far as voting, I had 3 top suspects on D1, all the ones that thought pressuring Drunkmonkey because he had the biggest jokewagon was a viable tactic: Safari, Zimmah and Conzocool. I'm not going to pursue Safari at least in the next couple days. Between Zimmah and Conzocool, I'll vote Zimmah for his weak case/explanations on the Blake vote. He did try to crucify Blake by saying his self-vote was essentially a no-lynch vote when his (Zimmah's) Blake vote few hours short of the deadline was essentially a no-lynch vote as well. I'm not stating I believe Conzo's jailkeeper role (he could just eas easily be a mafia roleblocker), but Zimmah's actions speak higher in terms of scuminess.


Tl;dr:
Vote Zimmah
Current FOS Safari, Conzocool and Blake

[spiesr]

So, Edoc'sil, I assume that at the very least you cannot disprove Conzocool's claimed action of having applied his alleged jail-keeper powers to you last night, correct? Meaning that you were either not blocked last night, or had a role where you would not know if you were blocked.
Zimmah, I have a question for you. Is there any particular reason that you have singled out blake as your target today, for his actions contributing to a no lynch, rather than any of the other people who were not contributing to the effort to lynch someone? I mean blake at least has a potential excuse of being inactive the whole later part of Day 1, but there were others who actually visited the game during the end stages of day 1, and yet took actions that in no way moved the town closer to actually pulling off a lynch.

Unvote Vote BG for complete lack of reasoning in a placed vote.

Edoc'sil votes for BGtB at a point in the day where the chances of a bandwagon developing on him that could lead to a lynch before the deadline are essentially zero.

vote blakebowling

Immediately before that, BGtB himself throws his own vote away on an inactive with only one vote. This case has the same level of hopelessness of succeeding.

A jailkeeper is a role which blocks a player at night and stops blocks any attempted kills on the player.
2x FASTPOSTED

Before that, jonty doesn't even try to make any effort at coming to a lynch, apparently content to not have his vote in play at all. The way I see it, if you want to go after someone for causing a no lynch, people like these are better targets. They were around in the time after Conzocool's claim, when the town needed to disbelieve him and lynch him over his claim, or make a united effort at one of the few other players that could theoretically get enough votes, to have any hope of achieving a lynch today. They either didn't even try, or went off on hopeless tangents that could not possibly lead to a lynch.

[MoB Deadly]

Im not getting in the middle of that whole BG, Zimmah, Blake efight. I am here paying attention, but I believe conzocools claim (at least for right now) I dont know who else to go after, there are NO valid cases to bring up at this time. any hard pushes will look scummy. Should we do like an activity call and see if we got any inactives? Thats about all I got.

Deadline is when? Like friday right?

[pancakemix]

During the joke vote stage, voting oneself is pretty normal. The inactivity that followed wasn't his fault. Methinks you're reading a bit too much into this.

do you have anything better?

It's not a question of whether I have something better but a question of whether there's substance at all. Just because I don't have any leads doesn't mean yours should be followed. So tell me: is there actually a good reason for voting blake given his explanation?

[Victor Sullivan]

Vote zimmah. I've already said I find him suspicious, and this recent business only confirms it for me.

-Sully

[new guy1]

after reading up on all that has happened since i last read, i must say many more people are presenting more evidence on zimmah then zimmah seems to be able to produce.
Vote Zimmah

[Mr. Squirrel]

Sorry I'm late. I've read it all though.

Case on conzo was enough to warrant discussion, but the fact that some didn't believe his claim initially seemed scummy to me. He had a solid claim (famous actor, good role, no counterclaim) so there really shouldn't have been any discussion. To me, it seems like some people just really wanted to lynch a townie. The two I am most suspicious of right now are BG (top choice) and spiesr (second best).

Here's a quick analysis of BG's posts following the claim:

Also if he randomly guesses people (some people do this) to jailkeep, he could be block important roles.

If hes telling the truth, I think the odds of him blocking town power roles are far greater than him blocking mafia.

Now lets factor in his experience (which would lean towards him picking incorrectly).

These #'s do not work in the towns favor.

He says these three things in three different posts, but they are all saying the same thing: conzo is expendable. BG is basically admitting that he believes conzo's claim, but is trying to lynch him anyway. He tries to convince the town that a jailkeeper (which is an extremely useful role) would actually hurt the town. This is just lynch mongering. He is going for the lynch just because he wants to see someone die. Flores noticed this (page 12) but it sort of got swept under the rug. Now, on day 2, he is on a mini-crusade against blake that reeks of OMGUS.
vote BG

Spiesr's posts were less scummy, but I took note of them. I'd rather focus on BG, personally.

[new guy1]

you present very compeling evidence, but i have only just voted and so i will wait for more evidence on one case or the other to present itself before changing it.
FOS BG

[drunkmonkey]

Wow...reading this on my phone, and almost voted newguy after his first vote. The second bandwagon jump makes it even stronger. vote newguy, and I'll make my full case when I get home on my laptop. Just don't want to be accused of bandwagonning if someone else gets there first.

[drunkmonkey]

EBWOP: just realized the second post was only FOS. I'll still post my thoughts later, and may rescind my vote.

[new guy1]

drunk. this is my second game... ever. im not a leader right now, i follow the good arguements. if i saw a better suit, then i would change my vote, but right now i dont want to make a stupid accusation and then get accused myself.

[MoB Deadly]

He says these three things in three different posts, but they are all saying the same thing: conzo is expendable. BG is basically admitting that he believes conzo's claim, but is trying to lynch him anyway. He tries to convince the town that a jailkeeper (which is an extremely useful role) would actually hurt the town. This is just lynch mongering. He is going for the lynch just because he wants to see someone die. Flores noticed this (page 12) but it sort of got swept under the rug. Now, on day 2, he is on a mini-crusade against blake that reeks of OMGUS.
vote BG

Spiesr's posts were less scummy, but I took note of them. I'd rather focus on BG, personally.

What you are missing is that even if conzocool is mafia, he is gonna lie. Conzocool may have cleverly picked a role that is hard to verify by other town. BG was not just straight determining, should we lynch him anyway. He was weighing his options whether or not it was worth lynching to prove his claim, because unless he dies at night, he will be under scrutiny later in the game anyway given his role.

[drunkmonkey]

I had a small eye on newguy (not enough for FOS), after wildwilliam voted him for bandwagonning D1 when no one else gave it any notice. Figured he could kill the guy who suspected him without gaining much attention. The zimmah vote could be another bandwagon, and the switch to BG just after another BG vote convinced me he was scummy. But, he didn't actually switch his vote (as I thought when I voted), making his case much more WIFOM than anything else. Because I'm no longer convinced there's anything to this case, I'm going back to my original vote.

vote zimmah

[soundman]

Conzocool may have cleverly picked a role that is hard to verify by other town.

The thing is I don't think he could have come up with that role because he's a new player. I've never heard of it before. Course he could have done some looking and found it... Anyway I think the BG case is interesting and warrants a look but zimmah going after blake in the way he has gets my vote. Vote zimmah

[zimmah]

in less then 24 hours (most, if not all of them during my sleep) i have gotten like 6 votes against me, before i even had the opportunity to reply.

i'll count the votes now to see if i'm even dead by now, but this bandwagon against me reeks of scum, i think mafia just wants me dead at this point.

at least 3 players hardly come up with anything of their own and just blantantly join the bandwagon (like soundman)

[zimmah]

IMO it's too obvious that BG would have wanted to kill wildwilliam last night. The question is, who would want to frame BG?

I may be slow again. Why is it obvious that BG would want to kill wildwilliam?

wildwilliam's only conflict was with BG. Therefore a good scum would hope that someone would make the connection and the attention would focus on BG. I only brought it up so we don't end up killing the wrong person, or once again not doing anything.

I find that rather weak. The whole switch of focus to "who would potentially want to frame BG" when nobody at all attempted to link William's death to BG's alignmenst seems unnecessary at best and scummy at worst by trying to move the focus off of you. I'll consider it FOS worthy since the original focus on you was lacking legitimacy (namely, Zimmah's "self-vote + inactivity" case).

As far as voting, I had 3 top suspects on D1, all the ones that thought pressuring Drunkmonkey because he had the biggest jokewagon was a viable tactic: Safari, Zimmah and Conzocool. I'm not going to pursue Safari at least in the next couple days. Between Zimmah and Conzocool, I'll vote Zimmah for his weak case/explanations on the Blake vote. He did try to crucify Blake by saying his self-vote was essentially a no-lynch vote when his (Zimmah's) Blake vote few hours short of the deadline was essentially a no-lynch vote as well. I'm not stating I believe Conzo's jailkeeper role (he could just eas easily be a mafia roleblocker), but Zimmah's actions speak higher in terms of scuminess.


Tl;dr:
Vote Zimmah
Current FOS Safari, Conzocool and Blake

so hammering the jailkeeper (assuming he really is the jailkeeper) would make me less suspicious?

Zimmah, I have a question for you. Is there any particular reason that you have singled out blake as your target today, for his actions contributing to a no lynch, rather than any of the other people who were not contributing to the effort to lynch someone?

like i said a couple of times, if anyone provides any better case i might look into it. but so far noone is even trying to present a case, and at this rate it will result in another no-lynch. There is just too many people to vote or even FOS because everyone seems to prever not to lynch anyone.

the only case is conzocool, but i really don't understand why everyone wants him dead, as he might very well be an important role and i see no reason why he looks more scummy then anyone else. If it makes you feel better i'd even swap my vote to one of those people you mentioned in your post, if they are more likely to get lynched, or at least provide us with some information like a claim.

It's not a question of whether I have something better but a question of whether there's substance at all. Just because I don't have any leads doesn't mean yours should be followed. So tell me: is there actually a good reason for voting blake given his explanation?

a second no-lynch would hurt town more, as it will be the 2nd day with no information at all.

Vote zimmah. I've already said I find him suspicious, and this recent business only confirms it for me.

-Sully

nice time and way to hop onto the bandwagon.

after reading up on all that has happened since i last read, i must say many more people are presenting more evidence on zimmah then zimmah seems to be able to produce.
Vote Zimmah

also, nice try to hop on the bandwagon.

looks like i have 5 votes against me now.

i'll unvote right now since there's probably more scum in this sudden bandwagon against me.

[BGtheBrain]

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[jonty125]

Woza, big 24 hours there. Summary.

Who want to kill wildwilliam? Erm, he had a small confrontation with BG but mafia may and try frame him but it was a very small confrontation which I had to think about to remember.

Zimmah will not give up on blake

@spieser I didn't make an effort towards a lynch because we were on the brink of the deadline and I bought the claim and no lynch is better than a dead townie

Newguy seems to hop onto another BW - FOS newguy1

Mr.S votes BG for trying to get a lynch on Conzo after he claimed MoB Deadly sticks up for BG

Zimmah wakes up and said the BW "reeked of scum" and "mafia want me dead" erm. their are definitely not 6 mafia members in an 18 player game. Rodion said he voted Zimmah for his "weak case/explanations on the Blake vote." and Zimmah replies about hammering Conzo yesterday He then claims no cases were brought forward and there was one - Mr.S put a case on BG. Finally, called out VS and newguy for BWing, I earlier in this post FOS'd newguy for it VS did metion his suspicions on Page 8.

So all in all vote zimmah