PYP~Mafia [05/21] end game

[crasp]

I am going to go for Mtamburini also. he has had loads of time to post and is in the group that i originally suggested putting pressure on. Against doing this is the fact that he may get replaced for non-activity and have a good town power role. Have to start somewhere though.
Vote Mtamburini.

[Streaker]

All votes must be in other thread...

[Killuminati19]

@Whatsausage

I posted on page 6 voting for CPR Doctor. Maybe it wasn't posted correctly? I don't know, but that was my vote.

No it wasn't posted correctly, but that's been covered and I believe you have learned now

But as to what you did vote... Why? (Ignoring that the deadline had passed) It was already far and ahead with the most votes, so why not choose between NRA and Godfather, whichever you believed to be a greater threat? Instead of just rolling along with the top consensus

The deadline had not past and I think you are overstating just how far ahead it was. I believe it had 3 votes at the time.

[strike wolf]

Interesting, this certainly changes things. I will likely vote for Mtam later if he doesn't speak up but I'd like to read back through on some of the cases today and hopefully find some time to question a couple people before voting for him.

[HotShot53]

All votes must be in other thread...

Most people "vote" in this thread as well as making the official vote in the other thread, which is what both crasp and I did. That makes it easier for people to see what everyone is voting without looking at both threads all the time.

[Metsfanmax]

I did actually read the thread. This is the post I refer to, made precisely before the banning phase ended. And no, you did not mention NRA in any of your previous posts.

The reasoning was implicit in the comment: with 21 players, NRA member is just very unlikely to be visited, especially given that many of the roles that were selected will have been non-visiting roles. Sure, if the effect fires it has a powerful outcome, but people were getting worried over something that numerically was just not going to be a big deal for the first few days of the game.

I would also like to call BS on your statistical reasoning since even though, yes, mafia may value their lives more, town probably has more roles (simply because there are more of them).

Yes, but my reasoning was that mafia likely chose more visiting roles like roleblock and killing roles while I assume town, because we had the luxury of spreading ourselves out, also picked some non-visiting roles like Politician or America. Actually though, I just looked again at the list of roles and I admit that there are far fewer of these than I had originally remembered.

No. You're misinterpreting my argument, in hindsight I phrased it quite vaguely. Picking NRA to deny it to mafia is pro-town play. Having done exactly that and not coming forward is non-town play. Even if some towny picked NRA with the intention of keeping quiet, I hope they realise that's a bad plan.

Ok, fine. I was mainly making the point that it's unlikely someone picked NRA member without knowing what they planned to do with it -- while I encourage people to give advice as they see fit, we don't need to have every single person post that they're not NRA member for the point to get across.

[virus90]

well as far as the i am not NRA member thing; im 5th and im not..
im thinking about the following.
lets assume i have a powerrole. and lets assume NRA is picked.if i use my role on one of them, what are the odds of dying and what is the benefit of town of knowing.
risk of losing a powerrole vs chance of finding the NRA and chance of clearing someone of NRA.
i am seriously concidering.. (key is letting you know, so if i die, i might have decided to do it... although that would give someone a chance to nightkill me and then claim nra is among the first 4)
ok its a bit unclear maybe, but do you get what i mean?

also about the NRA thing, what if its not picked.. so far no-one came forward with NRA nor with i picked it but it was gone. my thought as 5th was; i wont pick it. in the hypothetical case the first 3 are town. would the hypethetical 4th first mafia pick NRA? i mean maybe (lets pray) no one picked NRA.. its still possible...

on another note; can we assume no-one picked emperor, because no day 1 daylynch yet? we definately can day 2. but would the forced lynch have to be used immediatly, in that case we can tick of emperor. just to tick some things of the list.

Also i kind of like the concept of picking a target somewhere higher up as a possible day 1 target. i like it because:
1. i am a high numner (ok i am selfish)
2. it reduces the risk of outing a major powerrole.
3. the high priority numbers (1-6? ) are probably gonna get targeted by mafia anyway. so whoever is town in the first few picks are probably nightlynched soon enough.

i do want to place a sidenote though; theoreticaly mafia might have been able to communicate about draft numbers. if they where able to, theoreticly they might have had an advantage so could be higher in the draft order...

fped by mets

[virus90]

EBWOP: about the assumpion: lets assume its picked by top 4, (in case its not clear i meant that)
sorry bout the confusion

[Metsfanmax]

3. the high priority numbers (1-6? ) are probably gonna get targeted by mafia anyway. so whoever is town in the first few picks are probably nightlynched soon enough.

Maybe, but maybe they also intentionally steered clear of those high priority numbers because it was obvious they would be the focus of D1. (I mean, I'm not sure how to read Dj so far, but he had to know he would get scrutiny by picking [1,2].) I would bet there's at least one mafia relatively high up, but I wouldn't bet on finding all of them there. Also, keep in mind that the people in this area didn't necessarily pick 1-6, because of ties.

i do want to place a sidenote though; theoreticaly mafia might have been able to communicate about draft numbers. if they where able to, theoreticly they might have had an advantage so could be higher in the draft order...

In the absence of evidence to the contrary (mod, care to confirm?) we should prepare for the worst, that mafia have been able to collaborate the whole time.

[StorrZerg]

From the op for Mafia alignment

You are the mafia and want to shove your down the Town's throat. You can coordinate your draft picks. There are five Mafia to start off. However, I will not indicate whether the Traitor(s) has/have been converted. Mafia have (1) kp per night. Mafia KP is always 1. The Mafia team as a whole gets 5 bans. Please PM me during the drafting phase.

Like the last game i hosted, talking at night is allowed and encouraged.
Mafia can talk when ever they like in their mafia chat

[legionnare]

also about the NRA thing, what if its not picked.. so far no-one came forward with NRA nor with i picked it but it was gone. my thought as 5th was; i wont pick it. in the hypothetical case the first 3 are town. would the hypethetical 4th first mafia pick NRA? i mean maybe (lets pray) no one picked NRA.. its still possible...

Virus90, here's a post from hotshot on the previous page;

This is exactly what I planned to do... I figured that it would prevent power roles from accidentally dieing, and would protect me since as the #3 pick scum will figure I must have gotten some good role, so I expected to be targeted on one of the first couple days. I tried to wait to say the following until the top 2 players had commented... but I don't think I can wait any longer as these days are pretty short. I didn't get the NRA member since one of the top 2 players already took it. Dj just claimed it wasn't him, and since he has seemed more towny to me, I am inclined to believe him for now. (And assuming he isn't the nra member, would recommend he gets protected, as he should have the best power role since he could take anything he wanted)

FOS for skimming

[Killuminati19]

I would be inclined to push on someone further down the draft order, but what hotshot had to say on mtam was pretty compelling. Waiting to hear from mtam.

[jwiedlin]

I didn't get the NRA member since one of the top 2 players already took it.

Hotshot, are you claiming that you were assigned VT after attempting to draft NRA member?

I would like to hear from mtam on this.

[mtamburini]

Sup betches, I'm back and im still black. BOOOYACHUCKA!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure when day1 starts but wtf there is 20+ people here and were only at 10 pages!?!?! Am I the only person in this fucking site that can start conversations!?

Gonna read a bit and come back and flame some people

[crasp]

Sup betches, I'm back and im still black. BOOOYACHUCKA!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure when day1 starts but wtf there is 20+ people here and were only at 10 pages!?!?! Am I the only person in this fucking site that can start conversations!?

Gonna read a bit and come back and flame some people

The wanderer returns. I am back at work tomorrow and as you know cant always get access so if you want that vote lifted I suggest you are flaming quick.

[HotShot53]

I didn't get the NRA member since one of the top 2 players already took it.

Hotshot, are you claiming that you were assigned VT after attempting to draft NRA member?

I would like to hear from mtam on this.

Yes, exactly.

Seems mtam has finally emerged... so I am looking forward to what he has to say also.

[mtamburini]

Sup betches, I'm back and im still black. BOOOYACHUCKA!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure when day1 starts but wtf there is 20+ people here and were only at 10 pages!?!?! Am I the only person in this fucking site that can start conversations!?

Gonna read a bit and come back and flame some people

The wanderer returns. I am back at work tomorrow and as you know cant always get access so if you want that vote lifted I suggest you are flaming quick.

semi long post incoming, but Idgaf about what you necessarily have to say about me your only one vote. If I didnt think you were town right now Id just get you lynched now because you would be of no use to town if your town and if you are mafia then even better. Explanation on why I think your town in a sec just looking for something I wanted to quote.

[mtamburini]

All role pms are out. Day 1 Is a go

You wake up to find StorrZerg's lifeless body, along side That of a Flamewheel And ver

Who could have done this monstrosity, death by pin cushions must have been awful!

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71 hours To Figure out who to lynch. Day ends 10/8 17:00 cc
Please vote in the voting thread

I would never kill Storr so Im confirmed town.

Read some of Charms post

NRA was definitely going to get banned, so I chose Assassin to give some traction on another role. I had a busy afternoon and thought the vote was mandatory, so I chose something!

How'd that turn out for ya?

Like I said, I'm not that good at this game! Regardless, it worked out fine because other roles were banned that should have been. Now since you are harping on that and the NRA wasn't banned, I'm assumming that is the role you chose, eh?

By the way, I'm looking for Chorizo Mexican Sausage (preferably made by Cacique Co) in Cocoa Beach, FL - Whatsausage, I thought you would know where I can score it! You should see me cook up sausage - yummy!

Thats bs cause even though you dont really know how to explain yourself with your reads you do get some of the right (referring to our clan games) You are also an easy read and from the things Ive read from you so far I would bet on you being town with me this game.

I am home finally from another 11+ hour workday... I can't wait until Oct 15 when I can become a normal worker again

I'll just say this a different way so that it's clear. The only circumstance in which we get a situation beneficial to town is if some member of town took NRA member with the explicit intent to then tell everyone that they took NRA member so that town doesn't accidentally target them. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, then this person would have claimed already -- as soon as possible on D1 -- and we wouldn't need to go through this whole shtick which just wastes precious hours that we don't have. There is no likely circumstance in which the person that took NRA member is going to suddenly decide they want to tell everyone about it, if they didn't already plan to.

This is exactly what I planned to do... I figured that it would prevent power roles from accidentally dieing, and would protect me since as the #3 pick scum will figure I must have gotten some good role, so I expected to be targeted on one of the first couple days. I tried to wait to say the following until the top 2 players had commented... but I don't think I can wait any longer as these days are pretty short. I didn't get the NRA member since one of the top 2 players already took it. Dj just claimed it wasn't him, and since he has seemed more towny to me, I am inclined to believe him for now. (And assuming he isn't the nra member, would recommend he gets protected, as he should have the best power role since he could take anything he wanted)

So that leaves mtam... crasp mentioned that mtam was online yesterday when crasp was posting, but mtam didn't post... to me, that sounds like scummarizing. Besides that, he was proud of not reading the rules, voted for the role ban late and in the wrong thread. I've found one of the best way to get scummarizers to post is to vote them... so I will vote mtam

You know people can lie right? Ive only been online for about 5 min everyday when I wake up to take my turns and not miss a turn. One of the biggest reasons I havent been even looking in the thread is because I forget to click the notification when a reply is posted so I just assumed day hasnt started yet and were waiting for other people to pick their roles still.

I'll second that - would be good to hear from mtamburini especially as he is likely to have a good role.

1) Who are you?
2) Who is your daddy and what does he do?
3) Define a "good" role

My role selection as the #2 draft was super against the grain and Im certain Im the only person in this game that wouldve picked this as #1 spot as well.

I didn't get the NRA member since one of the top 2 players already took it.

Hotshot, are you claiming that you were assigned VT after attempting to draft NRA member?

I would like to hear from mtam on this.

I dont understand what you want from me.

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Reading through the day start there was huge focus on role selection and the ban phase and I dont really understand why it has lasted so long. Like who gives a shit honestly that conversation should have lasted 24 hours tops. I like strike wolf from the conversation. Brings up some points about when people should CC (the example where if #8 claims #6 role you should CC) I dont think he would say this as mafia feels more of a town mindset letting everyone know what they should do if a certain scenario happens as this game has a lot of people I do not know. From my experiences of playing with Charm most likely town here. Her demeanor or MO is indicative of town. Crasp is someone I also have played with frequently in clan games, he is one of my harder reads because I do not like the way he plays the game. However I dont think he would lead a vote on me if he was mafia cause he knows Ill wreck his asshole and get him lynched before I ever do. Leans towny for now.

Id have to look harder into posts from other people to get a read on them but the past 4 pages just look like BS filler about the ban phase and skimmed through most of it. If you would like me to give a specific read on someone or explantion ask me and Ill take the time and go look otherwise Im just going to wait for other people to actually give content or until I catch someone slip up.

Have not given any mafia reads cause there is no one I really feel strongly about, I would definitely OMGUS vote grt. The only thing notable I remember him saying after skimming through was talking about the NRA role or w/e its called and then agreeing with Hotshot about having to hear me speak. Have they changed the way to filter someones post in thread cause that would be very useful to me right now

[mtamburini]

I would be inclined to push on someone further down the draft order, but what hotshot had to say on mtam was pretty compelling. Waiting to hear from mtam.

What exactly did you feel was compelling about it? You guys know the game doesnt stop if Im away right? The fact that some people were waiting on me for a response blows my mind.

[jwiedlin]

I dont understand what you want from me.

Hotshot was the #3 pick. He claims that he tried to draft NRA member, but ended up as a Vanilla Townsfolk because NRA member had already been chosen. If hotshot is telling the truth, either the #1 pick or #2 pick is the NRA member (djfireside and mtamburini respectively).

djfireside denies picking NRA member with the below post. That is why we want to hear from you on whether or not you are the NRA member

I didnt get the hot role that everyone is on since it isnt any fun.

[mtamburini]

I didn't get the NRA member since one of the top 2 players already took it.

Hotshot, are you claiming that you were assigned VT after attempting to draft NRA member?

I would like to hear from mtam on this.

Yes, exactly.

Seems mtam has finally emerged... so I am looking forward to what he has to say also.

after rereading I understand what you want. I did not take NRA member, not sure what # you are on the draft but if you are town then someone above you has the role obviously, whether or not they claim it or not is not alignment indicative I think. If you are mafia this is a good way to get suspicion on the people above you.

Reminder to all mafia can get VANILLA MAFIA so just because Hotshot says he didnt get a role does not make him auto town.

The information you gave should definitely be taken into consideration later in this game but I do think its relevant as of right now.

FP'd by jwiedlin

Just read your post, refer to what I said above.

[mtamburini]

I dont understand what you want from me.

Hotshot was the #3 pick. He claims that he tried to draft NRA member, but ended up as a Vanilla Townsfolk because NRA member had already been chosen. If hotshot is telling the truth, either the #1 pick or #2 pick is the NRA member (djfireside and mtamburini respectively).

djfireside denies picking NRA member with the below post. That is why we want to hear from you on whether or not you are the NRA member

I didnt get the hot role that everyone is on since it isnt any fun.

So the scenarios are

DJ is town with NRA and hotshot is VT
DJ is mafia with NRA and hotshot is VT
DJ is town with NRA and hotshot is mafia
DJ is town with other role and hotshot is mafia.

I didnt include myself in the scenarios because I am town. I cant think of another scenario atm that would be a possibility. Im more inclined to say that hotshot is VT and DJ is town or mafia, the reason being is as mafia hotshot does not gain anything by claiming VT and throwing scum on me and DJ saying one of us is the NRA member unless he is lying about picking that (situation 4) If hotshot is mafia he just types in his mafia chat saying he got no power and DJ or I have the power and they can just avoid killing us in the night because they know its a 50/50 shot of one of them dying.

[HotShot53]

Reading through the day start there was huge focus on role selection and the ban phase and I dont really understand why it has lasted so long. Like who gives a shit honestly that conversation should have lasted 24 hours tops.

So, what exactly would you have preferred us to do in your absence, throw out meaningless joke votes? The role ban phase was the most meaningful thing we had to discuss and scum hunt from.

So, both mtam and Dj have denied being the NRA member... which means one of them is lying, and is probably scum. Of the two of them, I still have a more town feeling on Dj and a more scum feeling on mtam, so I will leave my vote where it is. Best case scenario - we lynch a scum NRA member. Worse case scenario - we lynch a town with a "super against the grain" role, and then know Dj is the scum NRA member.

fp by mtam (twice)

[mtamburini]

Reading through the day start there was huge focus on role selection and the ban phase and I dont really understand why it has lasted so long. Like who gives a shit honestly that conversation should have lasted 24 hours tops.

So, what exactly would you have preferred us to do in your absence, throw out meaningless joke votes? The role ban phase was the most meaningful thing we had to discuss and scum hunt from.

So, both mtam and Dj have denied being the NRA member... which means one of them is lying, and is probably scum. Of the two of them, I still have a more town feeling on Dj and a more scum feeling on mtam, so I will leave my vote where it is. Best case scenario - we lynch a scum NRA member. Worse case scenario - we lynch a town with a "super against the grain" role, and then know Dj is the scum NRA member.

fp by mtam (twice)

Why dont you make the assumption were both town and DJ doesnt want to out as NRA member? Look at the scenarios I posted and let me know what you think of them. Just because DJ may not want to out doesnt make him mafia.

[jwiedlin]

So Hotshot claims that either mtam or djfireside has to be NRA member. They both deny being the NRA member. One of the 3 is lying.

I'm not saying that lying in this situation is reason in-itself to lynch, but we need to be suspicious of the motives of all 3.

I'm most likely to believe Hotshot; coming forward with a bold statement like he did would only invite attention if he were lying.

FP hotshot, mtam with similar comments.