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Re: Memebase Mafia [32/32] DAY 1 START! (Seeking subs)

Postby kwanton on Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:06 pm

I have something important I need to tell you. I anticipate it will result in my receiving a barrage of angry e-mail from Mafia accusing me of being mentally deficient, but Mafia is an expert at shameless name-dropping. It is requisite, even in this summary sketch, to go back a few years to see how if you intend to challenge someone's assertions, you need to present a counterargument. Mafia provides none. This is well illustrated in what remains one of the most divisive issues of our day: Fabianism. You may be surprised to learn that I was once like Mafia. I, too, wanted to make mountains out of molehills. It interfered with my judgment, my reasoning, and my ability to address a number of important issues.

I am being absolutely serious when I say that we must stop tiptoeing and begin marching boldly and forthrightly towards our goal, which is to advance freedom in countries strangled by tyranny. Mafia repeats the term "schizosaccharomycetaceae" over and over again in everything it writes. Is this repetition part of some new drinking game, or is Mafia merely trying to confuse us into believing that men are spare parts in the social repertoireā€”mere optional extras? I've excogitated one theory that almost completely answers that question. Unfortunately, it fails to take into account that the law of self preservation dictates that I allay the concerns of the many people who have been harmed by Mafia. But waitā€”as they say on late-night television infomercialsā€”there's more: Mafia has been trying to convince us that things have never been better. That argument fails to take into account the reality that I support those who devote their life to education and activism. It is through their tireless efforts that people everywhere are learning that I deeply believe that it's within our grasp to put Mafia's egocentric screeds to the question. Be grateful for this first and last tidbit of comforting news. The rest of this letter will center around the way that it is typical of illogical skinflints in its wild invocations to the irrational, the magic, and the fantastic to dramatize its inclinations.

We could opt to sit back and let Mafia lead us into an age of shoddinessā€”shoddy goods, shoddy services, shoddy morals, and shoddy people. Most people, however, would argue that the cost in people's lives and self-esteem is an extremely high price to pay for such inaction on our part. While perhaps offensive to some readers, only a direct quote can fully convey the perverted nature and content of Mafia's plaints: "Attention, collaborators! Your orders are to give an air of scientific impartiality to biased judgments, and to do so at any cost."

Mafia says that it is a refined organization with the soundest ethics and morals you can imagine. The inference is that Mafia is the arbiter of all things. I'm happy to report that I can't follow that logic. I insist that there are in fact many people who possess the intelligence, wisdom, talent, and ability to deal with Mafia appropriately. My goal is to locate those people and encourage them to help me recognize and respect the opinions, practices, and behavior of others.

However, I stand by what I've written before, that knowledge and wisdom are Mafia's enemies. It understands that by limiting education and enlightenment, it can fool more people into believing that colonialism can quell the hatred and disorder in our society. Sadly, those with the least education are those who would benefit most from the knowledge that Mafia's advocates don't want us to expose every crude practice of every crude Philistine. That'd be too much of a threat to mercantalism, tuchungism, and all of the other mutinous things they worship. Clearly, they prefer sacrificing children on the twin altars of nativism and greed.

It would be wrong to imply that Mafia is involved in some kind of conspiracy to subordinate all spheres of society to an ideological vision of organic community. It would be wrong because its zingers are far beyond the conspiracy stage. Not only that, but its most progressive idea is to overthrow democratic political systems. If that sounds progressive to you, you must be facing the wrong way. Mafia maintains that it has answers to everything. Even if this were so, Mafia would still be indelicate. But Mafia's mind has limited horizons. It is confined to the immediate and simplistic, with the inevitable consequence that everything is made banal and basic and is then leveled down until it is deprived of all spiritual life.

Mafia's forces claim to have no choice but to prop up corrupt despots around the world. I wish there were some way to help these miserable, obnoxious deviants. They are outcasts, lost in a world they didn't make and don't understand. Mafia will do everything in its power to suppress controversy and debate. No wonder corruption is endemic to our society; if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less prurient than Mafia. Mafia relies heavily on "useful idiots", that is, people who unwittingly do Mafia's dirty work for it. Without its swarms of useful idiots, Mafia would not have been able to conceal the fact that its nostrums have created an ugly universe devoid of logic and evidence. Only within this universe does it make sense to say that phallocentrism is a wonderful thing. Only within this universe does it make sense to throw away our freedom, our honor, and our future. And, only if we navigate a safe path between the Scylla of Mafia's paltry inveracities and the Charybdis of narcissism can we destroy this gormless universe of Mafia's and find the common ground that enables others to disabuse Mafia of the notion that it acts in the public interest.

I, for one, have long been under the impression that Mafia's favorite buzzword these days is "crisis". It likes to tell us that we have a crisis on our hands. It then argues that the only reasonable approach to combat this crisis is for it to evade responsibility. In my opinion, the real crisis is the dearth of people who understand that Mafia says that people are pawns to be used and manipulated. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. It is probably unwise to say this loudly, but Mafia's writings are a field of misspellings and misprisions. Do I blame society for this? No, I blame Mafia.

I find that I am embarrassed. I am embarrassed that some people just don't realize that we can't afford to be so small-minded in such difficult times. Am I being unduly harsh for writing that? I think not. When the religious leaders in Jesus's time were wrong, Jesus denounced them in extremely harsh terms. So why shouldn't I, too, use extremely harsh terms to indicate that peremptory, capricious ideologues are so much in hock to Mafia that they feel obligated to sharpen intergroup tensions?

I, for one, clearly don't know what Mafia's problem is, but it appears committed to the proposition that its views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while other organizations' positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological, and unworthy of serious consideration. If you were to get a second opinion from someone who's not a member of its gang, however, he'd of course tell you that I, not being one of the many reprehensible philosophasters of this world, like to face facts. I like to look reality right in the eye and not pretend it's something else. And the reality of our present situation is this: Mafia's philippics are geared toward the continuation of social stratification under the rubric of "tradition". Funny, that was the same term that its spinmeisters once used to provide grotty couch potatoes with a milieu in which they can snooker people of every stripe into believing that honor counts for nothing. Everybody loves a good game of hide-and-seek: find the person, find the hidden item, or, in Mafia's case, find the hidden agenda. Okay, I've written enough for one letter, so let me just finish by saying that Mafia is famousā€”infamous, reallyā€”for breaking up society's solidarity and cohesiveness.
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Re: Memebase Mafia [32/32] DAY 1 START! (Seeking subs)

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Re: Memebase Mafia [32/32] DAY 1 START! (Seeking subs)

Postby Mr. Squirrel on Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:45 pm

kwanton wrote:I have something important I need to tell you. I anticipate it will result in my receiving a barrage of angry e-mail from Mafia accusing me of being mentally deficient, but Mafia is an expert at shameless name-dropping. It is requisite, even in this summary sketch, to go back a few years to see how if you intend to challenge someone's assertions, you need to present a counterargument. Mafia provides none. This is well illustrated in what remains one of the most divisive issues of our day: Fabianism. You may be surprised to learn that I was once like Mafia. I, too, wanted to make mountains out of molehills. It interfered with my judgment, my reasoning, and my ability to address a number of important issues.

I am being absolutely serious when I say that we must stop tiptoeing and begin marching boldly and forthrightly towards our goal, which is to advance freedom in countries strangled by tyranny. Mafia repeats the term "schizosaccharomycetaceae" over and over again in everything it writes. Is this repetition part of some new drinking game, or is Mafia merely trying to confuse us into believing that men are spare parts in the social repertoireā€”mere optional extras? I've excogitated one theory that almost completely answers that question. Unfortunately, it fails to take into account that the law of self preservation dictates that I allay the concerns of the many people who have been harmed by Mafia. But waitā€”as they say on late-night television infomercialsā€”there's more: Mafia has been trying to convince us that things have never been better. That argument fails to take into account the reality that I support those who devote their life to education and activism. It is through their tireless efforts that people everywhere are learning that I deeply believe that it's within our grasp to put Mafia's egocentric screeds to the question. Be grateful for this first and last tidbit of comforting news. The rest of this letter will center around the way that it is typical of illogical skinflints in its wild invocations to the irrational, the magic, and the fantastic to dramatize its inclinations.

We could opt to sit back and let Mafia lead us into an age of shoddinessā€”shoddy goods, shoddy services, shoddy morals, and shoddy people. Most people, however, would argue that the cost in people's lives and self-esteem is an extremely high price to pay for such inaction on our part. While perhaps offensive to some readers, only a direct quote can fully convey the perverted nature and content of Mafia's plaints: "Attention, collaborators! Your orders are to give an air of scientific impartiality to biased judgments, and to do so at any cost."

Mafia says that it is a refined organization with the soundest ethics and morals you can imagine. The inference is that Mafia is the arbiter of all things. I'm happy to report that I can't follow that logic. I insist that there are in fact many people who possess the intelligence, wisdom, talent, and ability to deal with Mafia appropriately. My goal is to locate those people and encourage them to help me recognize and respect the opinions, practices, and behavior of others.

However, I stand by what I've written before, that knowledge and wisdom are Mafia's enemies. It understands that by limiting education and enlightenment, it can fool more people into believing that colonialism can quell the hatred and disorder in our society. Sadly, those with the least education are those who would benefit most from the knowledge that Mafia's advocates don't want us to expose every crude practice of every crude Philistine. That'd be too much of a threat to mercantalism, tuchungism, and all of the other mutinous things they worship. Clearly, they prefer sacrificing children on the twin altars of nativism and greed.

It would be wrong to imply that Mafia is involved in some kind of conspiracy to subordinate all spheres of society to an ideological vision of organic community. It would be wrong because its zingers are far beyond the conspiracy stage. Not only that, but its most progressive idea is to overthrow democratic political systems. If that sounds progressive to you, you must be facing the wrong way. Mafia maintains that it has answers to everything. Even if this were so, Mafia would still be indelicate. But Mafia's mind has limited horizons. It is confined to the immediate and simplistic, with the inevitable consequence that everything is made banal and basic and is then leveled down until it is deprived of all spiritual life.

Mafia's forces claim to have no choice but to prop up corrupt despots around the world. I wish there were some way to help these miserable, obnoxious deviants. They are outcasts, lost in a world they didn't make and don't understand. Mafia will do everything in its power to suppress controversy and debate. No wonder corruption is endemic to our society; if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less prurient than Mafia. Mafia relies heavily on "useful idiots", that is, people who unwittingly do Mafia's dirty work for it. Without its swarms of useful idiots, Mafia would not have been able to conceal the fact that its nostrums have created an ugly universe devoid of logic and evidence. Only within this universe does it make sense to say that phallocentrism is a wonderful thing. Only within this universe does it make sense to throw away our freedom, our honor, and our future. And, only if we navigate a safe path between the Scylla of Mafia's paltry inveracities and the Charybdis of narcissism can we destroy this gormless universe of Mafia's and find the common ground that enables others to disabuse Mafia of the notion that it acts in the public interest.

I, for one, have long been under the impression that Mafia's favorite buzzword these days is "crisis". It likes to tell us that we have a crisis on our hands. It then argues that the only reasonable approach to combat this crisis is for it to evade responsibility. In my opinion, the real crisis is the dearth of people who understand that Mafia says that people are pawns to be used and manipulated. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. It is probably unwise to say this loudly, but Mafia's writings are a field of misspellings and misprisions. Do I blame society for this? No, I blame Mafia.

I find that I am embarrassed. I am embarrassed that some people just don't realize that we can't afford to be so small-minded in such difficult times. Am I being unduly harsh for writing that? I think not. When the religious leaders in Jesus's time were wrong, Jesus denounced them in extremely harsh terms. So why shouldn't I, too, use extremely harsh terms to indicate that peremptory, capricious ideologues are so much in hock to Mafia that they feel obligated to sharpen intergroup tensions?

I, for one, clearly don't know what Mafia's problem is, but it appears committed to the proposition that its views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while other organizations' positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological, and unworthy of serious consideration. If you were to get a second opinion from someone who's not a member of its gang, however, he'd of course tell you that I, not being one of the many reprehensible philosophasters of this world, like to face facts. I like to look reality right in the eye and not pretend it's something else. And the reality of our present situation is this: Mafia's philippics are geared toward the continuation of social stratification under the rubric of "tradition". Funny, that was the same term that its spinmeisters once used to provide grotty couch potatoes with a milieu in which they can snooker people of every stripe into believing that honor counts for nothing. Everybody loves a good game of hide-and-seek: find the person, find the hidden item, or, in Mafia's case, find the hidden agenda. Okay, I've written enough for one letter, so let me just finish by saying that Mafia is famousā€”infamous, reallyā€”for breaking up society's solidarity and cohesiveness.

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Re: Memebase Mafia [32/32] DAY 1 START! (Seeking subs)

Postby kwanton on Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:04 pm

Mr. Squirrel wrote:
kwanton wrote:I have something important I need to tell you. I anticipate it will result in my receiving a barrage of angry e-mail from Mafia accusing me of being mentally deficient, but Mafia is an expert at shameless name-dropping. It is requisite, even in this summary sketch, to go back a few years to see how if you intend to challenge someone's assertions, you need to present a counterargument. Mafia provides none. This is well illustrated in what remains one of the most divisive issues of our day: Fabianism. You may be surprised to learn that I was once like Mafia. I, too, wanted to make mountains out of molehills. It interfered with my judgment, my reasoning, and my ability to address a number of important issues.

I am being absolutely serious when I say that we must stop tiptoeing and begin marching boldly and forthrightly towards our goal, which is to advance freedom in countries strangled by tyranny. Mafia repeats the term "schizosaccharomycetaceae" over and over again in everything it writes. Is this repetition part of some new drinking game, or is Mafia merely trying to confuse us into believing that men are spare parts in the social repertoireā€”mere optional extras? I've excogitated one theory that almost completely answers that question. Unfortunately, it fails to take into account that the law of self preservation dictates that I allay the concerns of the many people who have been harmed by Mafia. But waitā€”as they say on late-night television infomercialsā€”there's more: Mafia has been trying to convince us that things have never been better. That argument fails to take into account the reality that I support those who devote their life to education and activism. It is through their tireless efforts that people everywhere are learning that I deeply believe that it's within our grasp to put Mafia's egocentric screeds to the question. Be grateful for this first and last tidbit of comforting news. The rest of this letter will center around the way that it is typical of illogical skinflints in its wild invocations to the irrational, the magic, and the fantastic to dramatize its inclinations.

We could opt to sit back and let Mafia lead us into an age of shoddinessā€”shoddy goods, shoddy services, shoddy morals, and shoddy people. Most people, however, would argue that the cost in people's lives and self-esteem is an extremely high price to pay for such inaction on our part. While perhaps offensive to some readers, only a direct quote can fully convey the perverted nature and content of Mafia's plaints: "Attention, collaborators! Your orders are to give an air of scientific impartiality to biased judgments, and to do so at any cost."

Mafia says that it is a refined organization with the soundest ethics and morals you can imagine. The inference is that Mafia is the arbiter of all things. I'm happy to report that I can't follow that logic. I insist that there are in fact many people who possess the intelligence, wisdom, talent, and ability to deal with Mafia appropriately. My goal is to locate those people and encourage them to help me recognize and respect the opinions, practices, and behavior of others.

However, I stand by what I've written before, that knowledge and wisdom are Mafia's enemies. It understands that by limiting education and enlightenment, it can fool more people into believing that colonialism can quell the hatred and disorder in our society. Sadly, those with the least education are those who would benefit most from the knowledge that Mafia's advocates don't want us to expose every crude practice of every crude Philistine. That'd be too much of a threat to mercantalism, tuchungism, and all of the other mutinous things they worship. Clearly, they prefer sacrificing children on the twin altars of nativism and greed.

It would be wrong to imply that Mafia is involved in some kind of conspiracy to subordinate all spheres of society to an ideological vision of organic community. It would be wrong because its zingers are far beyond the conspiracy stage. Not only that, but its most progressive idea is to overthrow democratic political systems. If that sounds progressive to you, you must be facing the wrong way. Mafia maintains that it has answers to everything. Even if this were so, Mafia would still be indelicate. But Mafia's mind has limited horizons. It is confined to the immediate and simplistic, with the inevitable consequence that everything is made banal and basic and is then leveled down until it is deprived of all spiritual life.

Mafia's forces claim to have no choice but to prop up corrupt despots around the world. I wish there were some way to help these miserable, obnoxious deviants. They are outcasts, lost in a world they didn't make and don't understand. Mafia will do everything in its power to suppress controversy and debate. No wonder corruption is endemic to our society; if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less prurient than Mafia. Mafia relies heavily on "useful idiots", that is, people who unwittingly do Mafia's dirty work for it. Without its swarms of useful idiots, Mafia would not have been able to conceal the fact that its nostrums have created an ugly universe devoid of logic and evidence. Only within this universe does it make sense to say that phallocentrism is a wonderful thing. Only within this universe does it make sense to throw away our freedom, our honor, and our future. And, only if we navigate a safe path between the Scylla of Mafia's paltry inveracities and the Charybdis of narcissism can we destroy this gormless universe of Mafia's and find the common ground that enables others to disabuse Mafia of the notion that it acts in the public interest.

I, for one, have long been under the impression that Mafia's favorite buzzword these days is "crisis". It likes to tell us that we have a crisis on our hands. It then argues that the only reasonable approach to combat this crisis is for it to evade responsibility. In my opinion, the real crisis is the dearth of people who understand that Mafia says that people are pawns to be used and manipulated. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. It is probably unwise to say this loudly, but Mafia's writings are a field of misspellings and misprisions. Do I blame society for this? No, I blame Mafia.

I find that I am embarrassed. I am embarrassed that some people just don't realize that we can't afford to be so small-minded in such difficult times. Am I being unduly harsh for writing that? I think not. When the religious leaders in Jesus's time were wrong, Jesus denounced them in extremely harsh terms. So why shouldn't I, too, use extremely harsh terms to indicate that peremptory, capricious ideologues are so much in hock to Mafia that they feel obligated to sharpen intergroup tensions?

I, for one, clearly don't know what Mafia's problem is, but it appears committed to the proposition that its views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while other organizations' positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological, and unworthy of serious consideration. If you were to get a second opinion from someone who's not a member of its gang, however, he'd of course tell you that I, not being one of the many reprehensible philosophasters of this world, like to face facts. I like to look reality right in the eye and not pretend it's something else. And the reality of our present situation is this: Mafia's philippics are geared toward the continuation of social stratification under the rubric of "tradition". Funny, that was the same term that its spinmeisters once used to provide grotty couch potatoes with a milieu in which they can snooker people of every stripe into believing that honor counts for nothing. Everybody loves a good game of hide-and-seek: find the person, find the hidden item, or, in Mafia's case, find the hidden agenda. Okay, I've written enough for one letter, so let me just finish by saying that Mafia is famousā€”infamous, reallyā€”for breaking up society's solidarity and cohesiveness.

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Re: Memebase Mafia [32/32] DAY 1 START! (Seeking subs)

Postby Rodion on Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:07 pm

Rodion wrote:Squirrel helped with the spec as far as diagnosing obvious memes. He never said anything about liking the "let's find out who the evil memes are" approach.

Medefe said he didn't mind the spec as long as people didn't try to buy town cred for what he considers "fake scumhunting" (and I agree with him on that - actually, given the order of posts, he agrees with me).

I don't see how Squirrel thinking Medefe's position has made the most sense so far is confusing/incompatible/incoherent.

As far as Medefe mixing memes, THAT is interesting. I see 3 options:
a) character is related to role - Medefe realizes his character is easily associated with a town power role and wants to preserve himself by consufing us with several PRs
b) character is related to alignment - Medefe realizes his character is easily associated with an anti-town alignment and wants to preserve himself by confusing us with several PRs
c) PCM/Commander gave him a hybrid meme or a "metameme" (a meme about other memes) of sorts

My knowledge about my role PM allows me to conclude it is not "b" as far as the" 'evil memes' are mafia" theory goes. I think I know how to better understand this, though. It's just a matter of time.


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Postby Fircoal on Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:29 pm

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Postby sheepofdumb on Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:55 pm

kwanton wrote:
Mr. Squirrel wrote:
kwanton wrote:I have something important I need to tell you. I anticipate it will result in my receiving a barrage of angry e-mail from Mafia accusing me of being mentally deficient, but Mafia is an expert at shameless name-dropping. It is requisite, even in this summary sketch, to go back a few years to see how if you intend to challenge someone's assertions, you need to present a counterargument. Mafia provides none. This is well illustrated in what remains one of the most divisive issues of our day: Fabianism. You may be surprised to learn that I was once like Mafia. I, too, wanted to make mountains out of molehills. It interfered with my judgment, my reasoning, and my ability to address a number of important issues.

I am being absolutely serious when I say that we must stop tiptoeing and begin marching boldly and forthrightly towards our goal, which is to advance freedom in countries strangled by tyranny. Mafia repeats the term "schizosaccharomycetaceae" over and over again in everything it writes. Is this repetition part of some new drinking game, or is Mafia merely trying to confuse us into believing that men are spare parts in the social repertoireā€”mere optional extras? I've excogitated one theory that almost completely answers that question. Unfortunately, it fails to take into account that the law of self preservation dictates that I allay the concerns of the many people who have been harmed by Mafia. But waitā€”as they say on late-night television infomercialsā€”there's more: Mafia has been trying to convince us that things have never been better. That argument fails to take into account the reality that I support those who devote their life to education and activism. It is through their tireless efforts that people everywhere are learning that I deeply believe that it's within our grasp to put Mafia's egocentric screeds to the question. Be grateful for this first and last tidbit of comforting news. The rest of this letter will center around the way that it is typical of illogical skinflints in its wild invocations to the irrational, the magic, and the fantastic to dramatize its inclinations.

We could opt to sit back and let Mafia lead us into an age of shoddinessā€”shoddy goods, shoddy services, shoddy morals, and shoddy people. Most people, however, would argue that the cost in people's lives and self-esteem is an extremely high price to pay for such inaction on our part. While perhaps offensive to some readers, only a direct quote can fully convey the perverted nature and content of Mafia's plaints: "Attention, collaborators! Your orders are to give an air of scientific impartiality to biased judgments, and to do so at any cost."

Mafia says that it is a refined organization with the soundest ethics and morals you can imagine. The inference is that Mafia is the arbiter of all things. I'm happy to report that I can't follow that logic. I insist that there are in fact many people who possess the intelligence, wisdom, talent, and ability to deal with Mafia appropriately. My goal is to locate those people and encourage them to help me recognize and respect the opinions, practices, and behavior of others.

However, I stand by what I've written before, that knowledge and wisdom are Mafia's enemies. It understands that by limiting education and enlightenment, it can fool more people into believing that colonialism can quell the hatred and disorder in our society. Sadly, those with the least education are those who would benefit most from the knowledge that Mafia's advocates don't want us to expose every crude practice of every crude Philistine. That'd be too much of a threat to mercantalism, tuchungism, and all of the other mutinous things they worship. Clearly, they prefer sacrificing children on the twin altars of nativism and greed.

It would be wrong to imply that Mafia is involved in some kind of conspiracy to subordinate all spheres of society to an ideological vision of organic community. It would be wrong because its zingers are far beyond the conspiracy stage. Not only that, but its most progressive idea is to overthrow democratic political systems. If that sounds progressive to you, you must be facing the wrong way. Mafia maintains that it has answers to everything. Even if this were so, Mafia would still be indelicate. But Mafia's mind has limited horizons. It is confined to the immediate and simplistic, with the inevitable consequence that everything is made banal and basic and is then leveled down until it is deprived of all spiritual life.

Mafia's forces claim to have no choice but to prop up corrupt despots around the world. I wish there were some way to help these miserable, obnoxious deviants. They are outcasts, lost in a world they didn't make and don't understand. Mafia will do everything in its power to suppress controversy and debate. No wonder corruption is endemic to our society; if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less prurient than Mafia. Mafia relies heavily on "useful idiots", that is, people who unwittingly do Mafia's dirty work for it. Without its swarms of useful idiots, Mafia would not have been able to conceal the fact that its nostrums have created an ugly universe devoid of logic and evidence. Only within this universe does it make sense to say that phallocentrism is a wonderful thing. Only within this universe does it make sense to throw away our freedom, our honor, and our future. And, only if we navigate a safe path between the Scylla of Mafia's paltry inveracities and the Charybdis of narcissism can we destroy this gormless universe of Mafia's and find the common ground that enables others to disabuse Mafia of the notion that it acts in the public interest.

I, for one, have long been under the impression that Mafia's favorite buzzword these days is "crisis". It likes to tell us that we have a crisis on our hands. It then argues that the only reasonable approach to combat this crisis is for it to evade responsibility. In my opinion, the real crisis is the dearth of people who understand that Mafia says that people are pawns to be used and manipulated. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. It is probably unwise to say this loudly, but Mafia's writings are a field of misspellings and misprisions. Do I blame society for this? No, I blame Mafia.

I find that I am embarrassed. I am embarrassed that some people just don't realize that we can't afford to be so small-minded in such difficult times. Am I being unduly harsh for writing that? I think not. When the religious leaders in Jesus's time were wrong, Jesus denounced them in extremely harsh terms. So why shouldn't I, too, use extremely harsh terms to indicate that peremptory, capricious ideologues are so much in hock to Mafia that they feel obligated to sharpen intergroup tensions?

I, for one, clearly don't know what Mafia's problem is, but it appears committed to the proposition that its views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while other organizations' positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological, and unworthy of serious consideration. If you were to get a second opinion from someone who's not a member of its gang, however, he'd of course tell you that I, not being one of the many reprehensible philosophasters of this world, like to face facts. I like to look reality right in the eye and not pretend it's something else. And the reality of our present situation is this: Mafia's philippics are geared toward the continuation of social stratification under the rubric of "tradition". Funny, that was the same term that its spinmeisters once used to provide grotty couch potatoes with a milieu in which they can snooker people of every stripe into believing that honor counts for nothing. Everybody loves a good game of hide-and-seek: find the person, find the hidden item, or, in Mafia's case, find the hidden agenda. Okay, I've written enough for one letter, so let me just finish by saying that Mafia is famousā€”infamous, reallyā€”for breaking up society's solidarity and cohesiveness.

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You think two veteran mods make simple Post restriction mistake?

Your only write 2500 word essay?

Why not 2600 word essay?

I am disappoint...
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Postby kwanton on Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:15 am

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Postby jonty125 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:57 am

kwanton wrote:I have something important I need to tell you. I anticipate it will result in my receiving a barrage of angry e-mail from Mafia accusing me of being mentally deficient, but Mafia is an expert at shameless name-dropping. It is requisite, even in this summary sketch, to go back a few years to see how if you intend to challenge someone's assertions, you need to present a counterargument. Mafia provides none. This is well illustrated in what remains one of the most divisive issues of our day: Fabianism. You may be surprised to learn that I was once like Mafia. I, too, wanted to make mountains out of molehills. It interfered with my judgment, my reasoning, and my ability to address a number of important issues.

I am being absolutely serious when I say that we must stop tiptoeing and begin marching boldly and forthrightly towards our goal, which is to advance freedom in countries strangled by tyranny. Mafia repeats the term "schizosaccharomycetaceae" over and over again in everything it writes. Is this repetition part of some new drinking game, or is Mafia merely trying to confuse us into believing that men are spare parts in the social repertoireā€”mere optional extras? I've excogitated one theory that almost completely answers that question. Unfortunately, it fails to take into account that the law of self preservation dictates that I allay the concerns of the many people who have been harmed by Mafia. But waitā€”as they say on late-night television infomercialsā€”there's more: Mafia has been trying to convince us that things have never been better. That argument fails to take into account the reality that I support those who devote their life to education and activism. It is through their tireless efforts that people everywhere are learning that I deeply believe that it's within our grasp to put Mafia's egocentric screeds to the question. Be grateful for this first and last tidbit of comforting news. The rest of this letter will center around the way that it is typical of illogical skinflints in its wild invocations to the irrational, the magic, and the fantastic to dramatize its inclinations.

We could opt to sit back and let Mafia lead us into an age of shoddinessā€”shoddy goods, shoddy services, shoddy morals, and shoddy people. Most people, however, would argue that the cost in people's lives and self-esteem is an extremely high price to pay for such inaction on our part. While perhaps offensive to some readers, only a direct quote can fully convey the perverted nature and content of Mafia's plaints: "Attention, collaborators! Your orders are to give an air of scientific impartiality to biased judgments, and to do so at any cost."

Mafia says that it is a refined organization with the soundest ethics and morals you can imagine. The inference is that Mafia is the arbiter of all things. I'm happy to report that I can't follow that logic. I insist that there are in fact many people who possess the intelligence, wisdom, talent, and ability to deal with Mafia appropriately. My goal is to locate those people and encourage them to help me recognize and respect the opinions, practices, and behavior of others.

However, I stand by what I've written before, that knowledge and wisdom are Mafia's enemies. It understands that by limiting education and enlightenment, it can fool more people into believing that colonialism can quell the hatred and disorder in our society. Sadly, those with the least education are those who would benefit most from the knowledge that Mafia's advocates don't want us to expose every crude practice of every crude Philistine. That'd be too much of a threat to mercantalism, tuchungism, and all of the other mutinous things they worship. Clearly, they prefer sacrificing children on the twin altars of nativism and greed.

It would be wrong to imply that Mafia is involved in some kind of conspiracy to subordinate all spheres of society to an ideological vision of organic community. It would be wrong because its zingers are far beyond the conspiracy stage. Not only that, but its most progressive idea is to overthrow democratic political systems. If that sounds progressive to you, you must be facing the wrong way. Mafia maintains that it has answers to everything. Even if this were so, Mafia would still be indelicate. But Mafia's mind has limited horizons. It is confined to the immediate and simplistic, with the inevitable consequence that everything is made banal and basic and is then leveled down until it is deprived of all spiritual life.

Mafia's forces claim to have no choice but to prop up corrupt despots around the world. I wish there were some way to help these miserable, obnoxious deviants. They are outcasts, lost in a world they didn't make and don't understand. Mafia will do everything in its power to suppress controversy and debate. No wonder corruption is endemic to our society; if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less prurient than Mafia. Mafia relies heavily on "useful idiots", that is, people who unwittingly do Mafia's dirty work for it. Without its swarms of useful idiots, Mafia would not have been able to conceal the fact that its nostrums have created an ugly universe devoid of logic and evidence. Only within this universe does it make sense to say that phallocentrism is a wonderful thing. Only within this universe does it make sense to throw away our freedom, our honor, and our future. And, only if we navigate a safe path between the Scylla of Mafia's paltry inveracities and the Charybdis of narcissism can we destroy this gormless universe of Mafia's and find the common ground that enables others to disabuse Mafia of the notion that it acts in the public interest.

I, for one, have long been under the impression that Mafia's favorite buzzword these days is "crisis". It likes to tell us that we have a crisis on our hands. It then argues that the only reasonable approach to combat this crisis is for it to evade responsibility. In my opinion, the real crisis is the dearth of people who understand that Mafia says that people are pawns to be used and manipulated. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. It is probably unwise to say this loudly, but Mafia's writings are a field of misspellings and misprisions. Do I blame society for this? No, I blame Mafia.

I find that I am embarrassed. I am embarrassed that some people just don't realize that we can't afford to be so small-minded in such difficult times. Am I being unduly harsh for writing that? I think not. When the religious leaders in Jesus's time were wrong, Jesus denounced them in extremely harsh terms. So why shouldn't I, too, use extremely harsh terms to indicate that peremptory, capricious ideologues are so much in hock to Mafia that they feel obligated to sharpen intergroup tensions?

I, for one, clearly don't know what Mafia's problem is, but it appears committed to the proposition that its views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while other organizations' positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological, and unworthy of serious consideration. If you were to get a second opinion from someone who's not a member of its gang, however, he'd of course tell you that I, not being one of the many reprehensible philosophasters of this world, like to face facts. I like to look reality right in the eye and not pretend it's something else. And the reality of our present situation is this: Mafia's philippics are geared toward the continuation of social stratification under the rubric of "tradition". Funny, that was the same term that its spinmeisters once used to provide grotty couch potatoes with a milieu in which they can snooker people of every stripe into believing that honor counts for nothing. Everybody loves a good game of hide-and-seek: find the person, find the hidden item, or, in Mafia's case, find the hidden agenda. Okay, I've written enough for one letter, so let me just finish by saying that Mafia is famousā€”infamous, reallyā€”for breaking up society's solidarity and cohesiveness.


I'm guessing this is just major trolling and has no value to scum hunting at all (please correct me if I'm wrong) but an essay with OVER 9000 words is a bit overkill if you ask me (its actually 1374 according to Microsoft Word)
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Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:40 am

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safariguy5 wrote:What? Every player with a power has a PR? Doesn't this make it easy for mafia to pick off the town power roles then? A good mod (and I consider these two to be good mods) spreads out the PRs across both town and mafia, power roles and VT's (or lesser power roles if this is NV).

Dawg, scum is a power role (at the very least they get to talk to each other by PM), too, and I just mentioned it as a possibility since PRs have been tied to powers in some way in every game I've played in (excluding this one, about which I will make no statements either way). What you say about non-vanilla is true, I consider that a possiblity to motivate people to try and observe their PRs, maybe a single VT for teh lulz.


Nice disclaimer.

But really I don't think I can get behind this idea. [flavorspec]This game is based on ridiculous memes, and should be funny/annoying/trollish. The best way to achieve this hand out PRs to the majority of players. If all or most of them are power roles then everyone would catch on after a day or two and the mafs would have their targets too easily. I'm not saying that normally you'd be wrong, but I think in this game the ability and PR aren't indicative of each other.[/flavorspec]

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Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:05 am

Not to mention that there's a much larger percentage of the players that have PRs than in normal games.

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Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:06 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Not to mention that there's a much larger percentage of the players that have PRs than in normal games.

There can be no PRs until there are PRs for everyone!

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Postby MeDeFe on Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:47 pm

safariguy5 wrote:Well I'll throw out a very recent example then. TeamCC mafia, streaker was a VT with a PR. Insane, but doesn't change the fact that he was VT.

Happened to me, too, dawg. I thought I had powers in the postapocalyptic game when I didn't really have any, I had a PR and was told I'd lose my powers if I didn't observe the PR -> PR related to powers. I was a bit disappoint that I was a loonie and not the conqueror of the world, but that's life, you get set up the bomb and then your base is belong to someone else.

I've seen town and mafia have PR's. I've seen VT's and power roles have PR's. The existence or lack of a PR is not something that we can use to guess alignment or powers. Certainly it can be used for ID'ing individual memes, but it should not reveal much more than that in a properly balanced theme game.

Good, then we're pretty much in agreement. I still don't see how identifying what meme a certain player has been assigned helps us, though.

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Postby safariguy5 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:18 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Well I'll throw out a very recent example then. TeamCC mafia, streaker was a VT with a PR. Insane, but doesn't change the fact that he was VT.

Happened to me, too, dawg. I thought I had powers in the postapocalyptic game when I didn't really have any, I had a PR and was told I'd lose my powers if I didn't observe the PR -> PR related to powers. I was a bit disappoint that I was a loonie and not the conqueror of the world, but that's life, you get set up the bomb and then your base is belong to someone else.

I've seen town and mafia have PR's. I've seen VT's and power roles have PR's. The existence or lack of a PR is not something that we can use to guess alignment or powers. Certainly it can be used for ID'ing individual memes, but it should not reveal much more than that in a properly balanced theme game.

Good, then we're pretty much in agreement. I still don't see how identifying what meme a certain player has been assigned helps us, though.

Furthermore, PONIES!

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I would say Meme identification has two benefits. One is that it cuts down on the number of possible fakeclaims mafia might have and also would help in Meta for what the powers would be and whether they would make sense.

The second benefit is to try and identify which memes might be town and scum. Until people start dying from lynches and NK's, this might be nothing more than guesswork, but when we start getting some solid information, the possible mafia memes might become more apparent.
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Postby strike wolf on Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:21 pm

again what safari said.
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Postby sheepofdumb on Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:25 pm

I agree with safari. We have the ability to identify several memes so let's use that as a springboard for day 1.

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Postby jonty125 on Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:17 am

Am I missing the punchline with all these ponies 'cos I don't see the funny side :?
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Postby sensfan on Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:00 am

jonty125 wrote:Am I missing the punchline with all these ponies 'cos I don't see the funny side :?

It's a post restriction. My pr is that I must be fun! So, have fun! There. Happy, mod?
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Postby jonty125 on Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:41 am

sensfan wrote:
jonty125 wrote:Am I missing the punchline with all these ponies 'cos I don't see the funny side :?

It's a post restriction. My pr is that I must be fun! So, have fun! There. Happy, mod?


That reminds me I forgot my PR

OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!,

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Postby skillfusniper33 on Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:57 am

jonty125 wrote:
sensfan wrote:
jonty125 wrote:Am I missing the punchline with all these ponies 'cos I don't see the funny side :?

It's a post restriction. My pr is that I must be fun! So, have fun! There. Happy, mod?


That reminds me I forgot my PR

OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!, OVER 9000!,

That should do the trick.


OH PR's how much fun can they be. :lol: :lol:

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Postby strike wolf on Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:24 pm

Don't think I have anything new to say. Just wanted to check with Com and PCM to see if everyone's gotten their roles or if there are still a few left to be sent.
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Postby kwanton on Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:51 pm

Yeah...there are still quite a few unconfirmed. I know nark is MIA (golden pantheon hasn't been updated)

I might get a lot of flak for this, but at this point I'm going to advocate a random lynch. Not much besides joking is going around. With such a large game we have enough townies to make up for it if we mislynch one today. With such a PR heavy game, everyone can just hide behind their PR and there will be very little slip ups. A random lynch will at least give us info and avoid a no lynch.

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