Soundman's First Mafia [End] Arsonist Wins!!

[TheGeneral2112]

vote Sully for not backing up his supposed assumptions. Sounds scummy to me.

How am I supposed to back anything up Day 1?? I already told you they were assumptions and that TheGeneral's actions continue to convince me he is scum, perhaps because he responded to my relatively weak argument with such hostility. Seems extremely defensive to me. Too much so.

-Sully

You said I was trying to get TeeGee lynched. You said I was acting aggressive toward him/her. You said TeeGee was town. I asked you to back up your statements about me and to tell us how you know TeeGee is town. You haven't given sufficient evidence. Instead, you voted me. Tell me, how else could this be interpreted than as scummy?

[zimmah]

vote Sully for not backing up his supposed assumptions. Sounds scummy to me.

How am I supposed to back anything up Day 1?? I already told you they were assumptions and that TheGeneral's actions continue to convince me he is scum, perhaps because he responded to my relatively weak argument with such hostility. Seems extremely defensive to me. Too much so.

-Sully

You said I was trying to get TeeGee lynched. You said I was acting aggressive toward him/her. You said TeeGee was town. I asked you to back up your statements about me and to tell us how you know TeeGee is town. You haven't given sufficient evidence. Instead, you voted me. Tell me, how else could this be interpreted than as scummy?

he never claimed TeeGee was town, he said IF

[TheGeneral2112]

vote Sully for not backing up his supposed assumptions. Sounds scummy to me.

How am I supposed to back anything up Day 1?? I already told you they were assumptions and that TheGeneral's actions continue to convince me he is scum, perhaps because he responded to my relatively weak argument with such hostility. Seems extremely defensive to me. Too much so.

-Sully

You said I was trying to get TeeGee lynched. You said I was acting aggressive toward him/her. You said TeeGee was town. I asked you to back up your statements about me and to tell us how you know TeeGee is town. You haven't given sufficient evidence. Instead, you voted me. Tell me, how else could this be interpreted than as scummy?

he never claimed TeeGee was town, he said IF

He didn't say if. He claimed TeeGee was town. Victor is scum and thus knows TeeGee is not. Simple. See post below for evidence of the scum slipup.

I feel like TheGeneral is using a scapegoat-type method to get TeeGee lynched.
It was clearly a newb mistake and didn't have any malicious intent.
I feel like TheGeneral is just using it as an excuse to get a townie lynched.

-Sully

[zimmah]

See, now that's borderline OMGUS, General, and that could be perceived as a scumtell.

As far as my accusation and mentioning of TeeGee as town is concerned, it's essentially an if...then statement. Given the evidence, I hypothesized that TheGeneral2112 was mafia, and thus if he is, in fact, mafia, he likely then trying to lynch a townie. In this case, TeeGee. I'm just saying it's likely TeeGee is town if TheGeneral2112 is mafia, given TheGeneral's aggression toward him.

-Sully

way to quote someone's post, but not quote the post that explains how he actually meant to say it.

unvote vote 2112

[soundman]

Vote Count:

Rodion -
Zimmah -
Mob Deadly -
Victor Sullivan - Mob, General, thehippo, isaiah - (L4)
Mr. Squirrel -
Shieldgenerator7 - Rodion - (L7)
Chapcrap - usAir, TeeGee - (L6)
Crazymilkshake5 -
usAir - chapcrap - (L7)
isaiah40 - Mr. Squirrel - (L7)
TeeGee - maximumbandit - (L7)
thehippo8 -
maximumbandit -
TheGeneral2112 - Victor, Zimmah - (L6)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday Dec. 9th.

[chapcrap]

Vote Count:

Rodion -
Zimmah -
Mob Deadly -
Victor Sullivan - Mob, General, thehippo, isaiah - (L4)
Mr. Squirrel -
Shieldgenerator7 - Rodion - (L7)
Chapcrap - usAir, TeeGee - (L6)
Crazymilkshake5 -
usAir - chapcrap - (L7)
isaiah40 - Mr. Squirrel - (L7)
TeeGee - maximumbandit - (L7)
thehippo8 -
maximumbandit -
TheGeneral2112 - Victor, Zimmah - (L6)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday Dec. 9th.

Well, we have 2 days. I don't really think there is a great case against either 2112 or Sully, but since Sully has more votes, I will vote Sully to add pressure. Maybe we can get at least 1 claim today.

[zimmah]

Vote Count:

Rodion -
Zimmah -
Mob Deadly -
Victor Sullivan - Mob, General, thehippo, isaiah - (L4)
Mr. Squirrel -
Shieldgenerator7 - Rodion - (L7)
Chapcrap - usAir, TeeGee - (L6)
Crazymilkshake5 -
usAir - chapcrap - (L7)
isaiah40 - Mr. Squirrel - (L7)
TeeGee - maximumbandit - (L7)
thehippo8 -
maximumbandit -
TheGeneral2112 - Victor, Zimmah - (L6)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday Dec. 9th.

Well, we have 2 days. I don't really think there is a great case against either 2112 or Sully, but since Sully has more votes, I will vote Sully to add pressure. Maybe we can get at least 1 claim today.

hmm, may be a good idea.

sully are you gunna claim or should we add more pressure first?

cuz i kinda think general is more scummy, but considering the deadline and all, we need to move on one way or another.

so i might need to swap my votes back to you once again.

[MoB Deadly]

Sorry I have been wrongfully neglecting this mafia. I will improve my game.

My vote on Sully is a joke vote, but I am not going to move it. After reading this argument between Victor and 2112, I feel like picking on the new guy to get him claimed. I am not going to lie and say General did nothing scummy, but he's new to the mafia forum, and if anyone has read his posts outside of this forum, they seem to match this post-style. 2112 did ask victor for quoted evidence to what he said and VS hasn't provided it.

Again I am getting the vibes that VS was just "taking it for granted" that we were going to bandwagon pressure/lynch 2112 for his erratic posting style. This is just a hunch obviously, as we don't have much to go on Day 1.

[MoB Deadly]

EBWOP

Sorry I have been wrongfully neglecting this mafia. I will improve my game.

My vote on Sully is a joke vote, but I am not going to move it. After reading this argument between Victor and 2112, I feel like VS was picking on the new guy to get him claimed. I am not going to lie and say General did nothing scummy, but he's new to the mafia forum, and if anyone has read his posts outside of this forum, they seem to match this post-style. 2112 did ask victor for quoted evidence to what he said and VS hasn't provided it.

Again I am getting the vibes that VS was just "taking it for granted" that we were going to bandwagon pressure/lynch 2112 for his erratic posting style. This is just a hunch obviously, as we don't have much to go on Day 1.

[Victor Sullivan]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! How did this get turned around on me all of a sudden? Here is the exact list of events, in order:

1. I vote TheGeneral with little reasoning.
2. Mr. Squirrel calls me out to explain my vote.
3. I explain my reasoning.
4. TheGeneral gets pissed off, guns blazing.
5. I reiterate, explain, and clarify multiple times (though most of my efforts are to little avail).
6. TheGeneral continues to gun for me, saying my reasoning and clarifications aren't enough.
7. I get put at L-2.

How does this work? Really, it doesn't. I never said TheGeneral was absolutely scum and that everyone should jump on the bandwagon. No, I merely stated my thoughts, and TheGeneral blew this whole thing out of proportion. I continued to try to explain to you all (and still am trying) that my reasoning wasn't really based on much - it was Day 1 with few leads. The evidence that I now have is how TheGeneral has reacted to my simply stating my thoughts, which is why my vote stays at this point.

-Sully

[chapcrap]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! How did this get turned around on me all of a sudden? Here is the exact list of events, in order:

1. I vote TheGeneral with little reasoning.
2. Mr. Squirrel calls me out to explain my vote.
3. I explain my reasoning.
4. TheGeneral gets pissed off, guns blazing.
5. I reiterate, explain, and clarify multiple times (though most of my efforts are to little avail).
6. TheGeneral continues to gun for me, saying my reasoning and clarifications aren't enough.
7. I get put at L-2.

How does this work? Really, it doesn't. I never said TheGeneral was absolutely scum and that everyone should jump on the bandwagon. No, I merely stated my thoughts, and TheGeneral blew this whole thing out of proportion. I continued to try to explain to you all (and still am trying) that my reasoning wasn't really based on much - it was Day 1 with few leads. The evidence that I now have is how TheGeneral has reacted to my simply stating my thoughts, which is why my vote stays at this point.

-Sully

Like I said, I don't think there is much of a case against either of you. But, the deadline is coming.

[TheGeneral2112]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! How did this get turned around on me all of a sudden? Here is the exact list of events, in order:

1. I vote TheGeneral with little reasoning.
2. Mr. Squirrel calls me out to explain my vote.
3. I explain my reasoning.
4. TheGeneral gets pissed off, guns blazing.
5. I reiterate, explain, and clarify multiple times (though most of my efforts are to little avail).
6. TheGeneral continues to gun for me, saying my reasoning and clarifications aren't enough.
7. I get put at L-2.

How does this work? Really, it doesn't. I never said TheGeneral was absolutely scum and that everyone should jump on the bandwagon. No, I merely stated my thoughts, and TheGeneral blew this whole thing out of proportion. I continued to try to explain to you all (and still am trying) that my reasoning wasn't really based on much - it was Day 1 with few leads. The evidence that I now have is how TheGeneral has reacted to my simply stating my thoughts, which is why my vote stays at this point.

-Sully

I'm tired of arguing with you. This time I am only going to respond by quoting.

unvote vote TheGeneral2112

Let's stay classy, eh?

-Sully

Care to actually explain one of your votes for once, sully?

I suppose it's only fair.

I feel like TheGeneral is using a scapegoat-type method to get TeeGee lynched. It was clearly a newb mistake and didn't have any malicious intent. I feel like TheGeneral is just using it as an excuse to get a townie lynched.

-Sully

i would like to know how you know the TeeGee is a townie? I haven't read anything even remotely suggesting he's a townie. Unless you know something the rest of us don't Unless you're cryptically saying that you're mafia!? Or are you saying that TheGeneral is mafia? Please enlighten us Sully.

I can understand Victor questioning 2112, but frankly he just looks a little pressured and isn't so used to the effect his words have. Unlike you Victor, you know exactly what you are doing. That's what I call passive aggressive but it's aggressive all the same!
...
For now FOS Victor, either explain that you are skimming in your vote or you are the proverbial fly in the ointment!

[Directed towards Sully.] I can understand why you have no concrete evidence to back this up, since I didn't even vote TeeGee or anything. To be honest, I don't recall who my vote is on ATM, but it is probably just a joke vote anyway. Back to our feelings, Sully... Can you show me where I am trying to have a townie lynched? Ya' know, by like, oh my gawd, quoting what I totally like said instead of just, oh my gawd, throwing around rumors. Because if you keep throwing around like these totally fake rumors then maybe like, oh my gawd, you should back them up or we will totally throw rumors and lies around about like you.

As far as my accusation and mentioning of TeeGee as town is concerned, it's essentially an if...then statement. Given the evidence, I hypothesized that TheGeneral2112 was mafia, and thus if he is, in fact, mafia, he likely then trying to lynch a townie. In this case, TeeGee. I'm just saying it's likely TeeGee is town if TheGeneral2112 is mafia, given TheGeneral's aggression toward him.

-Sully

BUT, the facts still stand. You voted me. You were asked for a reason. I asked for clarification. You didn't answer me. I SPECIFICALLY asked you for a quote I made to backup your claims. You have posted and NOT provided me with the requested clarification. INSTEAD you accuse me of an OMGUS vote without addressing the real issue. I called you out. You voted me. You were asked why. You made an unfounded statement that I am trying to get TeeGee lynched. I asked for you to show me where I tried that. Then Hippo jumps to your defense when you haven't even posted yet. I honestly think this is the best lead so far, Sully.

So let me ask again: You said I am trying to get TeeGee lynched. Where is your evidence, Victor? Also, in this last post, you accuse me of aggression toward TeeGee. I would like evidence of this as well. Your next post had better back up your unfounded accusatory behavior.

Then everything goes to hell from there. My point is that you made some rather strong claims. Then you didn't back them up. You only defense was to quote Mr. Squirrel. I'm not saying my logic is absolute, I'm saying it is the best lead we have so far. You seem scummy, I'm sorry, but that's all there is to it. This is why you are at L-2. Now you say your evidence is how I have reacted since you made a claim about me... Cart before the horse much? Just give it up. We found mafia on D1.

[Victor Sullivan]

Let's stay classy, eh?

-Sully

Seriously... Even if you are town, I'd still be tempted to lynch you, just because of your goddamn cockiness.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! How did this get turned around on me all of a sudden? Here is the exact list of events, in order:

1. I vote TheGeneral with little reasoning.
2. Mr. Squirrel calls me out to explain my vote.
3. I explain my reasoning.
4. TheGeneral gets pissed off, guns blazing.
5. I reiterate, explain, and clarify multiple times (though most of my efforts are to little avail).
6. TheGeneral continues to gun for me, saying my reasoning and clarifications aren't enough.
7. I get put at L-2.

How does this work? Really, it doesn't. I never said TheGeneral was absolutely scum and that everyone should jump on the bandwagon. No, I merely stated my thoughts, and TheGeneral blew this whole thing out of proportion. I continued to try to explain to you all (and still am trying) that my reasoning wasn't really based on much - it was Day 1 with few leads. The evidence that I now have is how TheGeneral has reacted to my simply stating my thoughts, which is why my vote stays at this point.

-Sully

I'm tired of arguing with you. This time I am only going to respond by quoting.

Then we are in agreement. But I will do so nonetheless.

unvote vote TheGeneral2112

Let's stay classy, eh?

-Sully

Care to actually explain one of your votes for once, sully?

I suppose it's only fair.

I feel like TheGeneral is using a scapegoat-type method to get TeeGee lynched. It was clearly a newb mistake and didn't have any malicious intent. I feel like TheGeneral is just using it as an excuse to get a townie lynched.

-Sully

i would like to know how you know the TeeGee is a townie? I haven't read anything even remotely suggesting he's a townie. Unless you know something the rest of us don't Unless you're cryptically saying that you're mafia!? Or are you saying that TheGeneral is mafia? Please enlighten us Sully.

I can understand Victor questioning 2112, but frankly he just looks a little pressured and isn't so used to the effect his words have. Unlike you Victor, you know exactly what you are doing. That's what I call passive aggressive but it's aggressive all the same!
...
For now FOS Victor, either explain that you are skimming in your vote or you are the proverbial fly in the ointment!

[Directed towards Sully.] I can understand why you have no concrete evidence to back this up, since I didn't even vote TeeGee or anything. To be honest, I don't recall who my vote is on ATM, but it is probably just a joke vote anyway. Back to our feelings, Sully... Can you show me where I am trying to have a townie lynched? Ya' know, by like, oh my gawd, quoting what I totally like said instead of just, oh my gawd, throwing around rumors. Because if you keep throwing around like these totally fake rumors then maybe like, oh my gawd, you should back them up or we will totally throw rumors and lies around about like you.

As far as my accusation and mentioning of TeeGee as town is concerned, it's essentially an if...then statement. Given the evidence, I hypothesized that TheGeneral2112 was mafia, and thus if he is, in fact, mafia, he likely then trying to lynch a townie. In this case, TeeGee. I'm just saying it's likely TeeGee is town if TheGeneral2112 is mafia, given TheGeneral's aggression toward him.

-Sully

By evidence, I meant what you had already posted up to that point. You were being rather aggressive, whether you think you were or not. Again, I was speculating based off of what you had posted up to that point, of which I referred to as "evidence". Perhaps a poor word choice on my part, but you are rather misinterpreting and skewing my words.

BUT, the facts still stand. You voted me. You were asked for a reason. I asked for clarification. You didn't answer me. I SPECIFICALLY asked you for a quote I made to backup your claims. You have posted and NOT provided me with the requested clarification. INSTEAD you accuse me of an OMGUS vote without addressing the real issue. I called you out. You voted me. You were asked why. You made an unfounded statement that I am trying to get TeeGee lynched. I asked for you to show me where I tried that. Then Hippo jumps to your defense when you haven't even posted yet. I honestly think this is the best lead so far, Sully.

So let me ask again: You said I am trying to get TeeGee lynched. Where is your evidence, Victor? Also, in this last post, you accuse me of aggression toward TeeGee. I would like evidence of this as well. Your next post had better back up your unfounded accusatory behavior.

Then everything goes to hell from there. My point is that you made some rather strong claims. Then you didn't back them up. You only defense was to quote Mr. Squirrel. I'm not saying my logic is absolute, I'm saying it is the best lead we have so far. You seem scummy, I'm sorry, but that's all there is to it. This is why you are at L-2. Now you say your evidence is how I have reacted since you made a claim about me... Cart before the horse much? Just give it up. We found mafia on D1.

TheGeneral, I'm trying to be reasonable with you, and you are being as hotheaded and stubborn as the Catholic church in 1517. My original speculation stemmed from this post and this post alone:

I would almost vote teegee on principle after that faux pau.

I quoted Mr. Squirrel to show that I wasn't the only one who thought your comment was aggressive toward TeeGee. Don't put words into my mouth. From the get go I was speculating, but given recent events I've strayed more toward accusing, while (or rather, because) your accusatory manner began from my mere speculation.

-Sully

[soundman]

Vote Count:

Rodion -
Zimmah -
Mob Deadly -
Victor Sullivan - Mob, General, thehippo, isaiah - (L4)
Mr. Squirrel -
Shieldgenerator7 - Rodion - (L7)
Chapcrap - usAir, TeeGee - (L6)
Crazymilkshake5 -
usAir - chapcrap - (L7)
isaiah40 - Mr. Squirrel - (L7)
TeeGee - maximumbandit - (L7)
thehippo8 -
maximumbandit -
TheGeneral2112 - Victor, Zimmah - (L6)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday Dec. 9th.

Well, we have 2 days. I don't really think there is a great case against either 2112 or Sully, but since Sully has more votes, I will vote Sully to add pressure. Maybe we can get at least 1 claim today.

5. All ‘votes’ and ‘unvotes’ must be in color. If they are not, they will not be tallied. (I.E. Vote: Mob). You must first unvote and then vote to change your vote from someone. I'm human and may miss a vote. If I do please notify me and I'll correct it as soon as possible.

I'll probably change that rule in future games but for this one it stands.

[zimmah]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! How did this get turned around on me all of a sudden? Here is the exact list of events, in order:

1. I vote TheGeneral with little reasoning.
2. Mr. Squirrel calls me out to explain my vote.
3. I explain my reasoning.
4. TheGeneral gets pissed off, guns blazing.
5. I reiterate, explain, and clarify multiple times (though most of my efforts are to little avail).
6. TheGeneral continues to gun for me, saying my reasoning and clarifications aren't enough.
7. I get put at L-2.

How does this work? Really, it doesn't. I never said TheGeneral was absolutely scum and that everyone should jump on the bandwagon. No, I merely stated my thoughts, and TheGeneral blew this whole thing out of proportion. I continued to try to explain to you all (and still am trying) that my reasoning wasn't really based on much - it was Day 1 with few leads. The evidence that I now have is how TheGeneral has reacted to my simply stating my thoughts, which is why my vote stays at this point.

-Sully

like i said sully, i don't like the general either (even if he's town, i'd rather see him dead because of all the fuzz he creates even at day 1). but since you have most votes allready and the deadline is nearing, i'd like to get some more info on where we stand.

therefore. unvote vote sully

[chapcrap]

Vote Count:

Rodion -
Zimmah -
Mob Deadly -
Victor Sullivan - Mob, General, thehippo, isaiah - (L4)
Mr. Squirrel -
Shieldgenerator7 - Rodion - (L7)
Chapcrap - usAir, TeeGee - (L6)
Crazymilkshake5 -
usAir - chapcrap - (L7)
isaiah40 - Mr. Squirrel - (L7)
TeeGee - maximumbandit - (L7)
thehippo8 -
maximumbandit -
TheGeneral2112 - Victor, Zimmah - (L6)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday Dec. 9th.

Well, we have 2 days. I don't really think there is a great case against either 2112 or Sully, but since Sully has more votes, I will vote Sully to add pressure. Maybe we can get at least 1 claim today.

5. All ‘votes’ and ‘unvotes’ must be in color. If they are not, they will not be tallied. (I.E. Vote: Mob). You must first unvote and then vote to change your vote from someone. I'm human and may miss a vote. If I do please notify me and I'll correct it as soon as possible.

I'll probably change that rule in future games but for this one it stands.

unvote vote Sully

Sorry for messing it up before.

[TeeGee]

Somebody called me out for my silence at the beginning of this game, now that someone themselves is a little quiet.

Lets see if we can break the silence

unvote vote thehippo8

[thehippo8]

Somebody called me out for my silence at the beginning of this game, now that someone themselves is a little quiet.

Lets see if we can break the silence

unvote vote thehippo8

Lol, fair enough TeeGee ... not intentional it's just that I've had nothing to add.

I've voted for sully, as you can see in the list, and my reasons were clear. Each time I've thought of adding something I have found my earlier comments were quoted by others so I thought that was clear and understood.

[soundman]

Vote Count:

Rodion -
Zimmah -
Mob Deadly -
Victor Sullivan - Mob, General, thehippo, isaiah, Zimmah, Chapcrap - (L2)
Mr. Squirrel -
Shieldgenerator7 - Rodion - (L7)
Chapcrap - usAir - (L7)
Crazymilkshake5 -
usAir -
isaiah40 - Mr. Squirrel - (L7)
TeeGee - maximumbandit - (L7)
thehippo8 - TeeGee - (L7)
maximumbandit -
TheGeneral2112 - Victor - (L7)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday Dec. 9th.

[Victor Sullivan]

In what way does TheGeneral look any more innocent than myself??? Gah!

Very well, I'm the Town Watcher. Now would you kindly let me be??

-Sully

[Victor Sullivan]

And I wouldn't be surprised if I turn up dead tomorrow, assuming you guys don't lynch me anyway.

Thanks, General. 'Preciate it.

-Sully

[TheGeneral2112]

In what way does TheGeneral look any more innocent than myself??? Gah!

Very well, I'm the Town Watcher. Now would you kindly let me be??

-Sully

What is this role?

[MoB Deadly]

In what way does TheGeneral look any more innocent than myself??? Gah!

Very well, I'm the Town Watcher. Now would you kindly let me be??

-Sully

unvote

[MoB Deadly]

In what way does TheGeneral look any more innocent than myself??? Gah!

Very well, I'm the Town Watcher. Now would you kindly let me be??

-Sully

What is this role?

A watcher has the ability to "Watch" someone at night. They are normally given the names of anyone that visits the person they watch. Usually the watcher watches the most important towns member, so that if the mafia decides to kill them, VS can say who he saw killed them.

[thehippo8]

And I wouldn't be surprised if I turn up dead tomorrow, assuming you guys don't lynch me anyway.

Thanks, General. 'Preciate it.

-Sully

Time to switch it round then ...

Unvote vote General ... asside from bluster what else are you giving us?