Heroes Mafia - LSU lynched TOWN AND FIRCOAL WIN!!!!!!!

[wicked]

Well JND hasn't been back to defend himself. He drops a hint that he's unlynchable (or I assume that's what he meant). So normally I'd wait for the person on the hot seat to come back on and defend himself, but he's had that chance and hasn't shown. Maybe he's trying to prove his point? Well if he is unlynchable, there's no harm in proving that by voting for lynch.

unvote vote JND

[Koesen]

jnd did mention in his Jedgement Day mafia that he won't be online much between now and Monday.

Which is not necessarily a reason not to vote him. Besides, we have a deadline now.

[Koesen]

EBWOP: Judgement

[wicked]

But when did "now" start?

[Koesen]

I think he announced yesterday or so that he would be away, but after that he came back for some mod stuff in his own game.

[kalishnikov]

Yea he said he'll be out till the weekend.

Vote: jnd I think he's lynched but just incase as the deadline is approaching.

And mandalorian still never answered to why me and Koesen are scum; I'm quite curious about his ridiculous reasoning this time, but I'm sure it will somehow result in all 3 of our deaths.

[nagerous]

VOTE COUNT

Mandy (1) Fircoal
Fircoal (1) Kwanton
Kalishnikov (1) Mandalorian
Jnd (5) Freezie, Ga7, Kalishnikov, Koesen, Wicked
Wicked (1) Hidden


6 to lynch.

I won't be on again until tomorrow so you will have to wait until then for a lynch scene I'm afraid.

[wicked]

Can I make an anal request that the votes be listed in the order of voting? It does make a difference when going back to look at it. Thanks!

[nagerous]

They are in the order of voting wicky

[wicked]

oh sorry, didn't check...

[The1exile]

has/should jnd be hammered?

[mandalorian2298]

So, you guys want to understand the twisted twists of my twisted mind? Ver well then. Welcome to Professor Mandy's class - "Scumtells 1-on-1"


Crouching Koesen, hidden Scum

Vote: ga7, a.k.a. Captain Frenchie

OMGUS vote,:D .



I've only seen like 2 episodes of this show so I'm gonna rely on the more experienced players for an setting-related details that we should be aware of.

I don't know the show, but it seems to inspire an interesting game

I have to agree that Kalishnikov's OMGUS vote has a funny smell, but he should be experienced enough to not fall for that on Day One. Then again, maybe that's what he expects us to think...

Fos Kalish

1. The psychology of scum is to try and stay hidden. (unless their names are Lion and Wicked, in which case they jump out in the open and lynch Aimless after he has claimed Cop. But, those are not normal people and should not be emulated by impressionable youths. ). Normal people tend to put it a lower gear, keep their heads low and hope that trouble doesn't find them. This works great for some players (Pancake, for example.)

HOWEVER, there is such a thing as 'overdoing it'. In this case, while all the other townies are merrily throwing random and/or joke-votes all over the place, Koesen starts his game with a *dramatic music* FOS!

Now, as you know from my earlier posts, I believe that Kalish is scum too. This could be a newbie-like bashfullness on Koasan's part (he doesn't want to vote his scum-buddy, but he also doesn't want to look like he is giving him a slip, so he takes the middle ground with the fos. Note that this serves the exactly opposite purpose, because a fos put in the time when a vote is expected, sticks out like a sore thumb, whereas simply ignoring Kalish's post would not even b aping on a radar (because most players ignore most of the first post until they start re-reading).

Oh great, a double voter bandwagonning me on top of that

If it's a double vote instead of an invisible voter, it has to be Kalishnikov. That would suggest he's town, because in my experience double voters usually are town. If not always.

There is, of course, the possibility that there's someone who sends in his vote by PM, and that Kalishnikov doesn't have anything to do with it.

In which case statistics suggest he's scum

Translated: If there is a Double-Voter, then it must be this Kalishnikov (whom I have never met and am in no Mafia with). Of course, it could also be someone else. (since the vote reads Hidden, which points pretty clearly toward it being sent by PM. mandalorian's remark) However, we should let this pro-town Double Voter (has there EVER been a Scum Double Voter?! mandalorian's snide comment) live until we are sure.

Note: Koesen chooses to compleatly ignore the fact that Exile has vote Ga7, too, which means that, from Koesen's perspective, Exile and kalish have about same chances of being the Double Voter (speaking, of course, under the terms of Koesen's hypothesis that the second vote is automatic, rather then sent by PM.)


"Three times Kalish" by Kenny Rogers

Unvote, it was just my obligatory ga7/Serbia day 1 vote.

Only 6 to lynch though, I'm used to big games anymore other then the occasional c9.

Well, enough nonsense; time to get to business.

1. I never ment my vote to grow into a bandwagon! You guys are taking this too far!

2. Smaltalk.

3. We should all be more active.

Nothing really to add at this point, perhaps we should just lynch ga?

And I'm fairly sure nag talked more about new roles in this game other then just the mafia discussion thread. Maybe I'm crazy but I think I remember him elaborating a bit but it's irrelevant anyway as I'm sure he wouldn't have gave anything useful away.

FOS: kwan/exile it's not like you two to be this quiet on day 1.

1. Of course, that bandwagon wouldn't be such a bad idea. (Not that I plan to get involved in ti in any way. )

2. BIG smaltalk.

3. Kwan and Exile, why aren't you as comitted to our Town's efforts as I am. (BTW, expecting Kwan to be usefull is strange enough position by itself. )

I know nothing of the show but I'd guess 2 scum groups.

And still the Hidden vote on ga... When I get a minute I'm gonna go back through all the posts and votes, shouldn't be too hard to figure out who it is unless it's an extra vote in addition to the not-hidden one.

1. ??? 2 scum-groups? Why? Where? How?

2. The second part is logical. If you substitute 'unless' with an 'if'. Also, why in the 9 Corellian hells would you want to search out the Double Voter?! Who's side are you on? (You don't need to answer that one. )


Interlude - The gotee-lunatic proclaims his omniscience. (again )


Reactions

I am not scum. I have been scum in many games in the past, but I'm not scum here. Why do you think I am scum?

Stage one - Denial.

Ok, I've gone through all of my posts in this thread. I really don't see what's so suspicious about any of them. Pray enlighten me with you warped logic, keeping in mind that your most recent attempt to lynch me was borderline suicidal nonsense and your second most recent lynch attempt was when you were scum and I was town.

Stage two - Metagaming.

I'm actually not scum, for once.

I do probably have one of the less-useful roles though, from what I gather, so lynching me won't be a huge loss to the town. However I recommend we find somethinng that's not a crazy mandalorian theory to end day 1 and save that for when we're deadlocked on like day 3 or 4 with no leads (which WILL happen) because when we go with one of his theories it usually results in his death somehow and I don't think we should loose 2 townies this early on for no reason.

It's up to you guys, I've got a power role but it's not that great, I will admit; so it won't be that bad of a loss if I die (assuming the town wins).

I'll be the martyr if you wanna end day 1, but I am a townie, fair warning.

This one brought tears to my eyes. It appears that I am lynching:

1. A power role, but not a big one. This here is modest man. He doesn't claim have a big power. Especialy not one that could be counter-claimed.

2. A person who has the best interests of the town on his heart. Of course, by an odd set of circumstances, it does seem that it will do the Town much good not to lynch him right away. Odd coincidance that.

3. Mother Theresa?! OMG what have I done!?

[kalishnikov]

He hasn't been yet, and it's up to you if he should be. I'd say probably considering the deadline is approaching, but I'm not 100% on that. I just don't wanna see a day 1 with no lynch, it almost always benefits the scum but in this case if there is 1 mafia it might not be too bad of a thing, we just don't get any info.



Side note: I forgot I already voted jnd, lol. Also, interesting that the 'hidden' is still on wicked as before it changed to however was being bandwagoned at the moment.

[The1exile]

I love the essay there mandy maybe you should consider becoming a professor of criminal psychology?

3. Kwan and Exile, why aren't you as comitted to our Town's efforts as I am. (BTW, expecting Kwan to be usefull is strange enough position by itself. )

I'm trying but I was first concerned that I might have an inadvertent double vote, and thus tried to stay away from voting someone and potentially hammering, and then I thought that jnd might be gung ho because he's that dude who explodes.

[ga7]

Well, this was entertaining
You actually make pretty good points on Koesen. I'm way less convinced by the Kalish case though. Roles are very unlikely to be counterclaimed, and I thought he made sense on that part. Now I understand your theory is that they're both scum together, but it seems weird to me that Koesie would involve himself so much with a partner, especially in a small game. Though you're right about the double voter thing, this makes it look a bit more fishy...

Well, in any case we have little time left and this seems like an interesting case, so I still think Jnd should be hammered to see if he's BSing us and we can get in depth with the other case tomorrow.

[mandalorian2298]

I love the essay there mandy maybe you should consider becoming a professor of criminal psychology?

3. Kwan and Exile, why aren't you as comitted to our Town's efforts as I am. (BTW, expecting Kwan to be usefull is strange enough position by itself. )

I'm trying but I was first concerned that I might have an inadvertent double vote, and thus tried to stay away from voting someone and potentially hammering, and then I thought that jnd might be gung ho because he's that dude who explodes.

1. No chance. They would make me take a pcyho-test.

2. That was my interpretation of Kalish's post.

unvote
vote Koesen.

While making that post, I decided that his case seems clearer to me.

[ga7]

Ah, interesting idea Ex. In that case though I doubt a pro-town bomb would say "try and lynch me"...

[kalishnikov]

lol, I'm not gonna quote that mandalorian because it would be so long.

I think there is something wrong with me because mando's logic actually kinda does make sense this time, he is drawing fairly logical conclusions from the chain of events, I will agree.

The only flaw in his hypothesis is that I'm town.

Then again, it's not hard to reword things and take them out of context to make anyone seem scummy/connected, especially Koesen and I as we both tend to draw attention to ourselves (regardless of alignment) and both have been scum in many games lately.

Again I make the offer: I don't have that great of a power role, I'll be the martyr to end a day if you seriously don't have anything else and it won't hurt you guys that bad, but I am a townie; know that before you lynch me.

[ga7]

Then maybe you should hammer Jnd in case he's a bomb Ex needs to vote first though.

[Koesen]

Mandalorian, I'm almost sorry you wasted so much time typing up such nonsense. But since it's you, I'm not

To give you a breif answer to your main points:

1. I fossed instead of voted -> in a game with ten players, I'm careful on Day One. Besides, I don't want to appear to be bandwagoning.

2. The double voter thing ->
* I never said I don't know Kalishnikov. That's just you hiding your lack of real evidence under drama. I have the man in my freaking sig!
* I have never been a double voter myself, so I'm not familiar with the exact mechanics. Sue me.
* You skim. I did not ignore Exile. The hidden vote only showed up after Kalishnikov voted, which lead me to suggest it might be him. For what it's worth, the first time I encountered a double voter was in Maxisgr8t's zombie mafia. The double voter was nagerous and the 'hidden' vote showed up immediately after he cast his normal vote. Nagerous can confirm this. So, my theory was grounded in my own experiences, which may differ from yours.

3. Denial -> You call me scum. I know I'm not. What do you expect me to say?

4. Metagaming -> Boohoo. When you are doing the accusing, the observation that your theories are usually way out to lunch is very relevant. Besides, the important bit of that quote was a very reasonable question, not the metagaming. Third, you're metagaming yourself when you are suggesting I claim I don't know Kalishnikov and never played with him.

I am town and you are full of it.

[The1exile]

Ah, interesting idea Ex. In that case though I doubt a pro-town bomb would say "try and lynch me"...

Maybe. Then again, he could say it trying to trick scum to hammer.

If you're prepared to risk it, unvote, I'll vote and you can hammer.

[Koesen]

Hasn't Kalishnikov hammered jnd already? His vote was cast just before the count, but it wasn't counted. Hence, it's the sixth and the hammer.

If people don't trust me, let the cops investigate me, tha trackers track me and the watchers watch me. I have nothing to hide. I hope the vig doesn't get too excited, though.

[ga7]

No, Kalish had already his vote on Jnd. I think that'd be way irresponsible for Jnd to do that but well... Anyway since Kalish claimed minor role already I'd rather see him hammer; else I'd risk it as I think the chances of a bomb are pretty low anyway.

[kalishnikov]

Mandy (1) Fircoal
Fircoal (1) Kwanton
Kalishnikov (1) Mandalorian
Jnd (5) Freezie, Ga7, Kalishnikov, Koesen, Wicked
Wicked (1) Hidden

Players alive:

1. Kalishnikov x
2. Fircoal
3. Ga7 x
4. Wicked x
5. Freezie x
6.Mandalorian2298 x
7. Koesen x
8. Jnd94
9. Kwanton x
10. The1exile x

If the hidden isn't a second vote (in addition to a un-hidden), looks to me like it's Exile or jnd as they aren't on the last vote count. I'd say probably jnd because it moved to every bandwagon that was happening until it got to the jnd wagon, then it stayed on wicked.

[kalishnikov]

No, Kalish had already his vote on Jnd. I think that'd be way irresponsible for Jnd to do that but well... Anyway since Kalish claimed minor role already I'd rather see him hammer; else I'd risk it as I think the chances of a bomb are pretty low anyway.

Yea, I voted a few pages back and forgot and tried to do it again. I'll take the risk though and unvote/revote for the hammer if you guys are scared. My role is minor (in the scheme of things) so even if I die you will alot of info out of it and my death would be worth it.