Batman Mafia~~~GOTHAM WINS!!!!!!!!

[Skittles!]

Okay this is my view on things.

What if Derf was actually mafia? He's acted like an idiot, and so everyone basically left him alone, and of course Talapus would of picked that up. It would make sense that Talapus would make Derf mafia cause everyone thinks he's an idiot. Now, Derf posts more, and contributes more. Why? What changed apart from his role? I'm thinking that he has more information because he is mafia.

vote derfderf

after thinking about it your scrutinizing me for starting to be helpful

vote skittles for trying to lynch people for being helpful


and if i was mafia and had more information do you really think i would be sharing it with the town

Yes, I do think that a mafia would be helping the town, in little clues. You may not go 'blah blah blah this person is scum', you'd be manipulating us to go after other towns, which is basically the job of the mafia, and yes, they would somewhat help the town.

You say you're a hider, and that you hid with Fircoal. But that still can't exactly clear yourself from being scum, as you could be a mafia hider, and you just say hider to us.

[MountainLion]

Hey Skittles, you didn't actually vote the first time around for Derf, did you?

Why didn't you vote for him earlier when you were pushing for a lynch on him?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Evidently Skittles wants to ignore my post on the matter. As such my vote on skittles stands.

[MountainLion]

Skittles, I've never heard of a mafia hider. if he's a Hider, I would safely assume he's Pro-Gotham.

[Skittles!]

Hey Skittles, you didn't actually vote the first time around for Derf, did you?

No, because, his claim on Fool was legit, because I was a fool too. Well, we're not exactly sure his claim on Fool was legit, but no one except for other fools knew what a fool was, and so I'm sure it was legit.

Why didn't you vote for him earlier when you were pushing for a lynch on him?

Because I was interrogating him to make him try and talk, which kinda worked. And I wanted more proof, and I hadn't really thought about it then.

[MountainLion]

Okay this is my view on things.

What if Derf was actually mafia? He's acted like an idiot, and so everyone basically left him alone, and of course Talapus would of picked that up. It would make sense that Talapus would make Derf mafia cause everyone thinks he's an idiot. Now, Derf posts more, and contributes more. Why? What changed apart from his role? I'm thinking that he has more information because he is mafia.

vote derfderf

We don't know if Talapus handed out the roles or did it randomly, so you can't say Talapus would make Derf mafia.

Derf posts more and contributes more because he's no longer a Fool. Some roles changed because of Poison Ivy. Did you forget so quickly? I strongly believe he was a Fool because Talapus got angry that Derf was roleclaiming so fast. Now he's doing it again. I've said he's not a very smart mafia player and that hasn't changed, however, he appears to be helping. I'm suspicious of Derf, but because of the circumstances I'm willing to take the risk of believing him for now.

Now let's say Derf is a Hider, he hid with Fircoal, and scum see this. If I was scum and the town believed Derf I would be scared because he confirms two players innocent and could help the town further. If he was getting close to a lynch I would try to push for it.

Skittles you also seem indecisive. You pushed for derf's lynch, Then you FOS'd Serbia and LSU. Now you're pushing for derf's lynch again.

Take a look at these two posts:

Heh, funny how Serbia and LSU jumped onto K_K.

Hm, I'm noticing the people that are going for someone, and then just back off for no reason..

FOS: Serbia and LSU

Serbia and LSU have gone after both Skittles and K_K. Skittles is pointing fingers back at them. I'm currently not suspicious of Serbia or LSU, so if someone points at players I don't really find suspicious, I become suspicious of that player.

I think Skittles is scum, and if we were to lynch him and he did turn up scum we could probably go after K_K the next day.

Vote Skittles

If you're Pro-Gotham Skittles, please help me change my mind.

[MountainLion]

I've said earlier that there are most likely at least 5 out of 14 players left that are mafia. This makes me hope that Derf is in fact a Hider, and it also increases the chance that we can lynch scum. If scum know that high probability, they would push a lynch for a player they know is not scum.

[freezie]

You know, I agree with ML. With at least 3 scums left, 2 unverified, I would let derf goes tonight and conclude if he is scum or not tomorow and find another lead.




Unvote


Ok, back to koesen, now that xencobra posted since out little argument, what do you think of him?

[Skittles!]

Okay this is my view on things.

What if Derf was actually mafia? He's acted like an idiot, and so everyone basically left him alone, and of course Talapus would of picked that up. It would make sense that Talapus would make Derf mafia cause everyone thinks he's an idiot. Now, Derf posts more, and contributes more. Why? What changed apart from his role? I'm thinking that he has more information because he is mafia.

vote derfderf

We don't know if Talapus handed out the roles or did it randomly, so you can't say Talapus would make Derf mafia.

No, we don't, but if Talapus maybe did because everyone thinks Derf is an idiot, then that would work.

Derf posts more and contributes more because he's no longer a Fool. Some roles changed because of Poison Ivy. Did you forget so quickly? I strongly believe he was a Fool because Talapus got angry that Derf was roleclaiming so fast. Now he's doing it again. I've said he's not a very smart mafia player and that hasn't changed, however, he appears to be helping. I'm suspicious of Derf, but because of the circumstances I'm willing to take the risk of believing him for now.

Him being a fool before should not of hindered him in anyway. As I've said before, I'll say it again, I was a fool before and I still contributed more than just random votes. And why would I forget? I'm basing the role changing for the sigment of my arguement.

Now let's say Derf is a Hider, he hid with Fircoal, and scum see this. If I was scum and the town believed Derf I would be scared because he confirms two players innocent and could help the town further. If he was getting close to a lynch I would try to push for it.

Skittles you also seem indecisive. You pushed for derf's lynch, Then you FOS'd Serbia and LSU. Now you're pushing for derf's lynch again.

Take a look at these two posts:

Heh, funny how Serbia and LSU jumped onto K_K.

Hm, I'm noticing the people that are going for someone, and then just back off for no reason..

FOS: Serbia and LSU

Serbia and LSU have gone after both Skittles and K_K. Skittles is pointing fingers back at them. I'm currently not suspicious of Serbia or LSU, so if someone points at players I don't really find suspicious, I become suspicious of that player.

I think Skittles is scum, and if we were to lynch him and he did turn up scum we could probably go after K_K the next day.

Vote Skittles

If you're Pro-Gotham Skittles, please help me change my mind.

You don't exactly know the Hider's role, do you? If a SK or Mafia go after the Hider, and the Hider is hiding behind a Mafia, then the hider dies, but if the Hider is hiding behind a Townie, then that Townie dies, not the hider.

It still doesn't clear Fircoal or Derf, because easily maybe a SK or Mafia didn't go after Derf? Or maybe because Derf is mafia and so the Mafia wouldn't go after him anyway, and Derf can hide behind anyone because the SK probably thinks that Derf is just an idiot.

Serbia & LSU were suspicious of me because I pointed out that they were going for a lynch, but then just left it. I put an FOS on them, and then I went to interrogate Derf. I fosed them for a different reason then just going after Derf, I fosed them because they were going for derf, but then just largely left it. How different is it that I put an fos on another player, and then just go off onto another player, than everyone else? People have done it in this game, not just me.

[MountainLion]

Hmm....I still want to hear from other players who voted derf. I'll wait for them to come back.

Oh, and I wasn't questioning your FOS on Serbia and LSU. I was just noticing a possible link between you and K_K.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Skittles still has never addressed my point of if derf or anyone he says is "innocent" dies and we find out otherwise it would be easy enough to kill him via lynch for at the very least lying.


Freezie is there a reason you're suspicious of Koeson? I'm personally unsure on him as it seemed like he was talking the talk and then when I gave him the opportunity to walk the walk he didn't to at first. It may be that he is in fact scum and knows that if derf is found innocent that he would be lynched by hammering him.

[kwanton]

Meh. Well unvote. Evryone raises good points about derf's usefulness. So let him prove his worth.

[Fircoal]

I just woke up

What time is it where you live?

5 PM.

lol no, i just go to bed late (6 AM)

I'm a night person.

WOAH! I go to bed at 11-1 o' clock, and some people think that is late.

How old are you?

15, you

Heh, when I was in school, I would go to bed around 2. All of my friends called me crazy and wondered how the hell I could do it.

I went to bed around the same time, as I do know. I bet some of my friends wondered, how I could do it.

I'm 14.

[Fircoal]

Nothing personal guys...but this is slightly off topic. You are welcome to continue this conversation in the Pokemon game thread though

Talapus bad, idea. I'm not going to move, my discussion to derail my game.

[Fircoal]

I just had an idea, but I can't say it yet.

[Neutrino]

Hmm, well there are some good points for keeping Derf alive, so we might as well alow him to do something useful with his life.

Unvote
Just a reminder; derf's role (if he is a hider; i'm not exactly sure how he can justify it, other people were switched by loosing their memory and ending up near other people's belongings. I don't see how this works, since CMC was long dead) is just as manipulatable as CMC's


As for who to lynch today; Skittles is acting a bit odd, but, since my connection is working rrreeeeeaaaalllllyyyy sssslllloooowwwwlllyyyyy i'll leave it until tomorrow to decide if he is worthy of killing or not.

I just had an idea, but I can't say it yet.

What was the point of this statement? You're just making yourself a huge target for nightkilling. If you had a brilliant idea, then you should have waited until you could say it, said it and died while being of some usefulness to the town.
Of course, you could be saying this because you aren't afraid of nightkilling...

FOS: Fircoal

[Talapus]

Vote Count:

(1)freezie - pancakemix
(3)derfderf34 – Serbia, Kernal_Kronic, Skittles!2.0
(3)Skittles!2.0 - LSU Tiger Josh, derfderf34, MountainLion


With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

[derfderf34]

Okay this is my view on things.

What if Derf was actually mafia? He's acted like an idiot, and so everyone basically left him alone, and of course Talapus would of picked that up. It would make sense that Talapus would make Derf mafia cause everyone thinks he's an idiot. Now, Derf posts more, and contributes more. Why? What changed apart from his role? I'm thinking that he has more information because he is mafia.

vote derfderf

We don't know if Talapus handed out the roles or did it randomly, so you can't say Talapus would make Derf mafia.

No, we don't, but if Talapus maybe did because everyone thinks Derf is an idiot, then that would work.

Derf posts more and contributes more because he's no longer a Fool. Some roles changed because of Poison Ivy. Did you forget so quickly? I strongly believe he was a Fool because Talapus got angry that Derf was roleclaiming so fast. Now he's doing it again. I've said he's not a very smart mafia player and that hasn't changed, however, he appears to be helping. I'm suspicious of Derf, but because of the circumstances I'm willing to take the risk of believing him for now.

Him being a fool before should not of hindered him in anyway. As I've said before, I'll say it again, I was a fool before and I still contributed more than just random votes. And why would I forget? I'm basing the role changing for the sigment of my arguement.

Now let's say Derf is a Hider, he hid with Fircoal, and scum see this. If I was scum and the town believed Derf I would be scared because he confirms two players innocent and could help the town further. If he was getting close to a lynch I would try to push for it.

Skittles you also seem indecisive. You pushed for derf's lynch, Then you FOS'd Serbia and LSU. Now you're pushing for derf's lynch again.

Take a look at these two posts:

Heh, funny how Serbia and LSU jumped onto K_K.

Hm, I'm noticing the people that are going for someone, and then just back off for no reason..

FOS: Serbia and LSU

Serbia and LSU have gone after both Skittles and K_K. Skittles is pointing fingers back at them. I'm currently not suspicious of Serbia or LSU, so if someone points at players I don't really find suspicious, I become suspicious of that player.

I think Skittles is scum, and if we were to lynch him and he did turn up scum we could probably go after K_K the next day.

Vote Skittles

If you're Pro-Gotham Skittles, please help me change my mind.

You don't exactly know the Hider's role, do you? If a SK or Mafia go after the Hider, and the Hider is hiding behind a Mafia, then the hider dies, but if the Hider is hiding behind a Townie, then that Townie dies, not the hider.

It still doesn't clear Fircoal or Derf, because easily maybe a SK or Mafia didn't go after Derf? Or maybe because Derf is mafia and so the Mafia wouldn't go after him anyway, and Derf can hide behind anyone because the SK probably thinks that Derf is just an idiot.

Serbia & LSU were suspicious of me because I pointed out that they were going for a lynch, but then just left it. I put an FOS on them, and then I went to interrogate Derf. I fosed them for a different reason then just going after Derf, I fosed them because they were going for derf, but then just largely left it. How different is it that I put an fos on another player, and then just go off onto another player, than everyone else? People have done it in this game, not just me.

you forgot about that upon hte mods decision if you hide with mafia you die

[Skittles!]

you forgot about that upon hte mods decision if you hide with mafia you die

Mods decision? I don't remember reading anywhere of that.

[derfderf34]

you forgot about that upon hte mods decision if you hide with mafia you die

Mods decision? I don't remember reading anywhere of that.

yuo can find that on a mafia roles website some players put up links to it

im not necesarraly saying that talapus made that decision but it is likely

[MountainLion]

kwanton unvoted.

[Talapus]

kwanton unvoted.

Fixed...thanks!

[Serbia]

Unvote VOTE: Skittles!

I guess we all agree that if Derf is a hider, he's most likely pro-gotham. And as annoying as he may be, you shouldn't lynch based on that.

Skittles on the other hand has been the most suspicious of the posters so far. He keeps saying he FOSed me for going after Derf, and then "leaving it". I haven't "left it" until this here post. So I don't know what that's all about.

And I'm still very suspicious of Fircoal. What's this idea you have, and can't share? Hmm???

[Fircoal]

I just had an idea, but I can't say it yet.

What was the point of this statement? You're just making yourself a huge target for nightkilling. If you had a brilliant idea, then you should have waited until you could say it, said it and died while being of some usefulness to the town.
Of course, you could be saying this because you aren't afraid of nightkilling...

FOS: Fircoal

IT won't work, I was just saying that as a comment so people don't think I'm not doing anything.

[MountainLion]

Well the weekends sure are slow.