****Super Land Swipe**** -- End ~ Mafia Win

[wicked]

IF we do not lynch Happy tonight and he lives through the night then we will be absolutely sure he is Mafia!!!"

Err, you know saying that, now the mafia can look upon that to keep him alive for another day and detract attention from themselves. Maybe you are mafia trying to take attention away from yourself.

I think there's no way the mafia will kill happy tonight, if they were smart they would leave him alive to make it look like he was guilty. So we can test this Haydena-Happy connection theory by voting for Haydena today, letting Happy investigate someone tonight and seeing where that investigation leads us. Right now, I'm leaning towards either Haydena or Happy, since they do appear to be connected, either both townie or both mafia. So because of that, and if Happy is telling the truth, we can't risk losing our cop, I'm going to

VOTE HAYDENA

[sully800]

Freetymes and wicked both bring up an excellent point- voting for happysadfun is risky in case he is telling the truth and we are misreading him. However if we lynch haydena now, and he is guilty then it will make happy look like mafia as well (or perhaps a cop who's investigations are determined randomly- I believe that is called an insane cop). However if happy then survives the night he would surely appear to be mafia...

I will unvote happysadfun and wait to see if people agree that the above logic is sound.

It is also interesting to me that my suspects are beginning to come in pairs:
-haydena and happy for the reasons mentioned
-houssam and wicked because they seem to be slipping past everyone's radar
-AK and Freetymes for the reasons houssam pointed out.

I am beginning to trust bogusbet the most I think, and I don't know what to think about Marvaddin. He often seems confused about what to do but that might just be the language barrier (I'm pretty sure English isn't his first language right?)

As for what I had taken: Andy said an unlisted number of comics and a replica of Captain America's shield.

[wicked]

Another thing I just thought of..... finding out for sure whether Haydena is mafia or townie will tell us for sure whether Happy's investigations are legit or not.

[Haydena]

Well I'm not saying that you have to believe me...

But I AM a townie, and his investigation is legit, I'm probably wasting my breath but you're making a mistake in lynching me... Although if it's the only way to put your minds at rest then so be it... You'll only see what I have been telling you the whole way through.

I don't have any special powers or night choices... I'm just a regular townie...

Believe me if you want, I'm not asking you to I just don't want you guys to waste another day, because that is what you will be doin.

Man it's frustrating when everyone is all for lynching you and you have no way of proving it. Thanks happy for coming out so early and making everyone think I'm mafia.

As for suspicions... I think you're being a bit hypocritical eh Icey? Me jumping on the bandwagon? After Freetymes suggested maybe I could be mafia you suddenly think that as well? A bit odd and just the same thing you accused me of doing.

[Haydena]

Well I would assume his investigations are legit... He could have just got lucky and I flagged up what I really am.

[Master Bush]

Man it's frustrating when everyone is all for lynching you and you have no way of proving it.

Voice from beyond:

Tell me about it!

[reverend_kyle]

Man it's frustrating when everyone is all for lynching you and you have no way of proving it.

Voice from beyond:

Tell me about it!

Voice from past games

YA RLY!

[happysadfun]

My first investigation was Mighty Al. He did not have a hand in the swipe. Unfortunately he is now dead. The second was Hayden A. He/She also is innocent.

Mighty convenient you investigated a now dead townie, or maybe just a coincidence, who knows? I will mention that in the last game, the head of the mafia was given a "godfather-type" role that meant he would appear innocent when investigated. Something to keep an eye on. I'm still leery of happy coming out so early, when it didn't look like he was being targeted at all.

If I wouldn't have said what I was you'd have killed me.

[mightyal]

Man it's frustrating when everyone is all for lynching you and you have no way of proving it.

Voice from beyond:

Tell me about it!

Lyching is as nothing. Try biting the pillow 'til you're dead
Sandman half enjoyed it.

[Marvaddin]

I was out all the day, but now I have something to say...

Most suspicious guys to me are now Freetymes and happysad. Look, happysad is a cop that revealed himself without any reason (c'mon, can he convince you guys he was to be lynched?), not even point a mafia member, and Freetymes just tried to start a lynch against bogus based in a question he had replied already and in his "leadership qualities". Very, very strange...

But looking at Freetymes words, they seem connected to me, and in an evil plan.

I totally agree that Happy has either done us a huge diservice or he really slipped up. IF we do not lynch Happy tonight and he lives through the night then we will be absolutely sure he is Mafia!!! This would be very solid evidence.

(...)

Now why would happy think he was going to be lynched??? He was not the subject of any real conversation prior to saying he was the cop.... I think this is a true mafia blunder so perhaps we lynch Haydena and if happy is alive in the morning tomorrow will be an easy choice!

So, Freetymes, are you not only suggesting we should lynch Haydena, but also is giving us a "tip", that happy is mafia if hes not dead at night... Well, the logic conclusion is:

Err, you know saying that, now the mafia can look upon that to keep him alive for another day and detract attention from themselves.

And so now we all can believe that mafia will not kill him, even if he is a cop. And we will have our beloved cop for another day, and trust in his investigation... And see, if its an evil plan, its working, because people is considering kill haydena, and trust in what happy will say next day, IF he survives.

I want remember you all that, assuming there are 3 mafia members (like last game) and they kill also a townie at night, if we lynch a townie now, and another one tomorrow, there will be then 3 mafia and 2 townies, so mafia is the winner (mafia can even force to lynch another person). We need plan our moves carefully.

About happy / haydena thing... lynch haydena??? Lets think a bit.

1- If we lynch Haydena, and he is a townie, can we trust in happy? I dont think so. If he is mafia, he also knows if haydena is a townie or no. So, we dont know if hes right because he investigated Haydena, or because he is mafia. If hes really a cop, mafia can kill him or no. Lets suppose he survived to the night: if he is a cop (and mafia let him alive), we can still think about lynch him, and give mafia the victory; if he is mafia, we can give him a safe position to vote, and so, from other people, there will be 4 townies and 2 mafia members. This, if he doesnt point another person (townie) as mafia... I wouldnt trust his investigations anyway. In fact, this situation is very very VERY risky.

2- At other hand, if we lynch happy and he is a cop, can we trust in Haydena? I think so. Ok, Can haydena be a godfather, or can happy be a silly or insane cop? Maybe, but its much less probable, isnt it?

So, I think we have no other option, and he still looks like a fake cop to me:
Vote happysadfun

(Ps: by the way, I had stolen my All Star Comics #5)

[happysadfun]

Let's see. Nine people are living. Eight say their roles. Who do you lynch? The one that didn't.

Hydena could be a Godfather. Houssam was pretty quick to try to throw immediate innocence onto Haydena. There are certainly pairs divided into this:
1. Freetymes and AK
2. Hayden and Houssam

Freetymes could be a Mafia, trying to get you guys to lynch me. Or he could try to get you not to lynch me, and lynch another townie, then let me survive the night, so you lynch me on the next day.

I am still at a loss as to who to vote for.

[sully800]

Let's see. Nine people are living. Eight say their roles. Who do you lynch? The one that didn't.

All nine people stated their roles as I posted on the last page. Therefore I have no idea who you are referring to in this post.

[wicked]

who didn't state their role happy????

[sully800]

If I wouldn't have said what I was you'd have killed me.

You seem to be stumbling upon your own mistakes now.

There was no suspicion against you when you claimed to be the cop. You made that claim in order to save Haydena, not yourself.

Now you are saying that if you didn't claim to be the cop you would have died? That only proves that this is a facade, because Haydena was the one being accused, NOT you! And he wasn't even close to being lynched yet either, he just had a few fingers pointed at him and you seemed to panic.


I guess if you keep 'em talking long enough the liars will always slip up....

[sully800]

who didn't state their role happy????

fast posted

[Marvaddin]

who didn't state their role happy????

fast posted

Im sure hes talking about himself... Hes saying he would need to post his role, and this is true, but he had no reason to also post hes a cop. All mafia members forgot to mention they are mafia, lol.

In fact, he should say hes the punisher, but why he said hes a cop?? This is very suspicious.

[AndyDufresne]

Deadline: November 28th, 8:30 EST (USA) .


Vote Count

• Happysadfun -- (AK_iceman, Marv, Sully)
• Haydena -- (wicked)
  
• Not voting, everyone else

5 Total Votes are need for a Lynch or No Lynch.


--Andy

[Freetymes]

Man there is some real pretzel logic going on in here. But we do know some things for sure.

1- Happy says he is the cop

2- Happy says Haydena is a townie

3- The reason for happy letting on he is a cop makes no sense (unless he just made a terrible mistake in "Telling" who he was".

4- If we lynch haydena and he was a townie then likely happy gets murdered tonight.

5- If we lynch Happy and he is a cop we can trust haydena but we lose our cop. If happy is mafia then we would know Haydena is mafia.

So is it more important to try and see if Happy is a cop or lynch him???

By the way... If you lynch me you will be lynching a townie and nothing will be made clear. However I am flattered that some think I could come up with some of the plans that they say should make me suspect. talk about twists within twists within twists!

I will wait until tomorrow to see what is said but I think we have a chance here to make much clear with this vote.

[sully800]

Yes, this vote is important and will certainly clear a lot of things up. If we lynch a townie, then another townie dies tonight...

That leaves us with 4 vs 3 as happened in Andy's first game. We would then need to run out and lynch a mafia member every following day to win (possible but difficult).

I think Freetymes just gave a very good summary of the situation right now.

Here's what I am now thinking though-

If happysadfun really is a cop, he is most likely dead at this point either way. If we leave him alone then the mafia would want to kill him during the night, and he won't complete another investigation anyway.

The only way it seems that he will live to see another day (since our doctor is gone) is if we decide not to lynch him now, and then he turns out to be mafia so he survives the night.

So let's say we were wrong about our initial happy/Haydena link. happy could still be mafia, and just pretended to be the cop to look innocent. He could have then saved Haydena (if Haydena was a townie, happy would know it in this instance) to gain a clear supporter and truly appear to be the cop.

I can't guarantee that happened, but what I'm saying is happysadfun could be mafia and Haydena could still be innocent. There is a motive for that move, and if we lynch Haydena it should not clear happy's name. However, I doubt that Haydena is mafia and happy is innocent.

My point is it seems happy is dead no matter what if he is innocent (and will only live if he is mafia). That means there is actually less risk in lynching happy then lynching Haydena correct?

Mate, I'm sorry if you were telling the truth and you are the cop, but it doesn't seem to matter either way since you gave your role away.

Vote happysadfun

[wicked]

I really don't think killing who may very well be our cop is the way to go.

[Marvaddin]

I wouldnt vote to him if I was sure he is a cop. But he is a fake one, to me. We cant clean his name by lynching Haydena, and I wouldnt trust in his investigations anyway... Like I said, let him alive seems the most dangerous situation, and as we know, if happy is innocent, so is haydena, no point lynching him.

Freetymes, I dont intend change my vote now, but if happy is mafia, you are the next in my list, guy. If hes not, sorry for accusing you.

[Bogusbet]

I still don't trust any of you.

VOTE - Happysadfun

[Freetymes]

Well, If I were the only person to not say my role, you all would have been suspicious of me and I would be right where I am now. If I would have lied, and then later my cop-ness would have been important, nobody would trust me.

This comment keeps troubling me.

Was Happy really just "Trying to tell his name and thought he was by telling us he was the cop OR did he throw this in as part of a Mafia plan???

Other things that bother me right now...


Bogus is unusually quiet and I still mistrust him...
Wicked has never been so quiet and posted so little...
Ice is very quiet...

Alas either by plan or mistake we need to concentrate on what we do know and worry about the quiet ones tomorrow.

I agree that if we kill Haydena it proves nothing conclusively however if we kill Happy and he really was a townie then it will prove Haydenas innocense. I don't think we can ever trust Happy now anyway thus...

Vote Happsadfun

[wicked]

Are you kidding me Free? I posted more than you did yesterday!! I was gone all day Friday & Saturday and most of the day Thursday, as I'm sure a lot of people were with the holiday. Give me a break! At least I'm trying to protect the cop, probably the only one of us left with any special skills.

[wicked]

Actually none of the people you just listed Free have been quiet. Are you sure we're playing the same game?