Final Fantasy VII Mafia - Shinra Corporation and Elena win

[DoomYoshi]

*sigh* I thought town was doing well...but the Mafia Busdriver killed us. It's a shame. I knew edoc was scum and i was starting to suspect Chap and Ghostly as well (though nothing solid). I was wrong about hippo though. really thought he was scum.

For the record I think multiple one shot BPs in the mafia plus the busdriver was over powered.

Sephiroth was supposed to kill them, methinks. Good game all. Alt was the only mafia I never suspected. Chap was obvious day 1 but damn lucky to have godfather powers. Edoc was also obvious, but I have played enough times with him, so I have an advantage in figuring that out.

Even though he ended up losing, ghost played one hell of a game.

[strike wolf]

*sigh* I thought town was doing well...but the Mafia Busdriver killed us. It's a shame. I knew edoc was scum and i was starting to suspect Chap and Ghostly as well (though nothing solid). I was wrong about hippo though. really thought he was scum.

For the record I think multiple one shot BPs in the mafia plus the busdriver was over powered.

Sephiroth was supposed to kill them, methinks. Good game all. Alt was the only mafia I never suspected. Chap was obvious day 1 but damn lucky to have godfather powers. Edoc was also obvious, but I have played enough times with him, so I have an advantage in figuring that out.

Even though he ended up losing, ghost played one hell of a game.

Perhaps he was but the busdriver could redirect any kill he thought would come for him. hard to read Alt when I think he posted 6 times throughout the game?

Chap was just some gut feeling on my end. I didn't have much to prove it or disprove it. the only thing that really came to mind was how he reacted to my summary post. Ghostly I just didn't like how much he was trying to dictate the game.

[chapcrap]

I thought ghostly played a good game. I really thought that he was town at the end. When I went for lynching hippo instead of ghostly, it was because I thought that hippo was Sephiroth.

I really did know nothing of flavor the whole game. The busdriver really helped mafia. Although, it hurt us a couple times as well. It made us lose edoc's bulletproof and targeting Com9 the first days was crazy because the town busdriver picked him twice in a row. I didn't really think it was that unbalanced. I wasn't sure we were going to win until the last day.

[ghostly447]

I targeted chapcrap. In my full honest opinion on my first game, that was amazing . Though I knew they had more than 1 left and thats why they were so eager after I tried lynching skill.

[new guy1]

seperath should have won. good game everyone, and that was a fantastic ending. good game all, and holy crap how did ghostly live till the end ON HIS FIRST GAME???

[chapcrap]

I targeted chapcrap. In my full honest opinion on my first game, that was amazing . Though I knew they had more than 1 left and thats why they were so eager after I tried lynching skill.

Yeah, the last night, we switched you and me. I figured that you would go for me over skill with the kill... We also targeted you for the kill as well, so you should have been annihilated with a Mako too!

[Victor Sullivan]

Survivor victory for the win!!

-Sully

[strike wolf]

I targeted chapcrap. In my full honest opinion on my first game, that was amazing . Though I knew they had more than 1 left and thats why they were so eager after I tried lynching skill.

Yeah, the last night, we switched you and me. I figured that you would go for me over skill with the kill... We also targeted you for the kill as well, so you should have been annihilated with a Mako too!

Not sure...he was bulletproof. It looks like he only died because it was his own sword. If he had targeted Skill (it was a toss up) ghostly probably would have won.

[strike wolf]

For the record I can't really blame town for lynching the busdriver when there was a mafia Bus driver all but confirmed but really? you follow the third party who doesn't care which side wins in choosing the lynch? Town seemed a bit too eager there.

[Victor Sullivan]

I targeted chapcrap. In my full honest opinion on my first game, that was amazing . Though I knew they had more than 1 left and thats why they were so eager after I tried lynching skill.

Yeah, the last night, we switched you and me. I figured that you would go for me over skill with the kill... We also targeted you for the kill as well, so you should have been annihilated with a Mako too!

Not sure...he was bulletproof. It looks like he only died because it was his own sword. If he had targeted Skill (it was a toss up) ghostly probably would have won.

I do kind of wonder what would have happened. Wouldn't it go to day again to determine a lynch? I basically would have chosen who would win at that point, right?

-Sully

[Victor Sullivan]

For the record I can't really blame town for lynching the busdriver when there was a mafia Bus driver all but confirmed but really? you follow the third party who doesn't care which side wins in choosing the lynch? Town seemed a bit too eager there.

Haha, I know! I just wanted him lynched so he wouldn't screw me over

-Sully

[chapcrap]

I targeted chapcrap. In my full honest opinion on my first game, that was amazing . Though I knew they had more than 1 left and thats why they were so eager after I tried lynching skill.

Yeah, the last night, we switched you and me. I figured that you would go for me over skill with the kill... We also targeted you for the kill as well, so you should have been annihilated with a Mako too!

Not sure...he was bulletproof. It looks like he only died because it was his own sword. If he had targeted Skill (it was a toss up) ghostly probably would have won.

I didn't even realize that the first time I read. Unlimited bulletproof is strong. Wow. That's why there were 2 busdrivers I guess.

For the record I can't really blame town for lynching the busdriver when there was a mafia Bus driver all but confirmed but really? you follow the third party who doesn't care which side wins in choosing the lynch? Town seemed a bit too eager there.

And I agree with that. I couldn't believe that mafia was going to get such an easy lynch out of that. I didn't want to be the hammer, but I saw it coming, so I didn't fight it.

[Rodion]

You are Tseng, Turk.
You’re caught in a big battle, but you don’t really care who wins as long as you survive.
You’re also looking for your close Turk companions, Reno, Rude and Elena.
Every night you can investigate someone. If you’ve found one of the other turks, you’ll be notified.
You win if you survive. You can win with either town or mafia, but not with any other faction.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Reno, Turk.
You’re caught in a big battle, but you don’t really care who wins as long as you survive.
You’re also looking for your close Turk companions, Tseng, Rude and Elena.
Every night you can investigate someone. If you’ve found one of the other turks, you’ll be notified.
You win if you survive. You can win with either town or mafia, but not with any other faction.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Rude, Turk.
You’re caught in a big battle, but you don’t really care who wins as long as you survive.
You’re also looking for your close Turk companions, Reno, Tseng and Elena.
Every night you can investigate someone. If you’ve found one of the other turks, you’ll be notified.
You win if you survive. You can win with either town or mafia, but not with any other faction.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Elena, Turk.
You’re caught in a big battle, but you don’t really care who wins as long as you survive.
You’re also looking for your close Turk companions, Reno, Rude and Tseng.
Every night you can investigate someone. If you’ve found one of the other turks, you’ll be notified.
You win if you survive. You can win with either town or mafia, but not with any other faction.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You’re members of the Shinra Electric Power Company, mafia.

Chapcrap is President Shinra, mafia godfather. Investigations targeted at you will receive a “not mafia” result. You are also 1-shot bulletproof.

Edocsil is Rufus Shinra, mafia bulletproof. You are 1-shot bulletproof against bullets (pardon the redundancy).

Wildwilliam is Heidegger, mafia framer. Every night you can frame someone. If that person is investigated by the cop at that very night, he will show up as “mafia”.

Master Bush is Scarlet, mafia roleblocker. Every night you can roleblock someone. That person will not be able to use his power during that night.

Alt1978 is Palmer, mafia busdriver. Every night you can swap 2 people. Actions aimed toward one of them will actually happen to the other and vice-versa.

Mafia also has 1 kill per night. While President Shinra lives, he will be responsible for PMing me with the kill choice. He can also determine who will perform the kill.

Aditionally, you have 5 fakeclaims.

Red XIII (from Final Fantasy VII, the game) – town tracker
Red XIII (from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, the movie) – town watcher
Barret Wallace (from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, the movie) – vengeful townie
Vincent Valentine (from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, the movie) – town jailkeeper
Tifa Lockhart (from Final Fantasy VII, the game) – town governor

You win when all threats to the mafia are gone.

Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Sephiroth, Serial Killer.
Every night you can kill someone with your Masamune (sword).

Investigations targeted at you will receive a “not mafia” result. You’re also bulletproof (unlimited times) against most weapons.

Your fakeclaim is Dr. Lucrecia Crescent, town poison doctor.

You win when you are the last player standing or if nothing else can stop this from happening.

Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Hojo, Poisoner.

Every night you can contaminate someone with Genova genes. During the Day, you can PM me to kill contaminated players. You can’t have more than 3 living contaminated players at any given time, so if you ever reach 3 living contaminated players, you’ll have to make room for more by killing contaminated players first.

Investigations targeted at you will receive a “not mafia” result. You’re also 2-shot bulletproof against bullets (pardon the redundancy). Through several genetic studies, several of them being conducted in your own body, you’ve also acquired immunity to Genova genes, so you are safe should you by accident ever contaminate yourself.

Your fakeclaim is Zack Fair, town FBI agent.

You win when you are the last player standing or if nothing else can stop this from happening.

Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Cloud (from Final Fantasy VII, the game), town bodyguard.
Every night you can protect someone. If that person is scheduled to be killed, you’ll be targeted by the kill instead. However, you are also 1-shot bulletproof against bullets (pardon the redundancy). That means you can protect someone that is going to be killed and still survive.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.

Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Barret Wallace (from Final Fantasy VII, the game), town bomb.

You have no night actions. If you ever get killed, you’ll fire countless bullets at your killer, making him die with you. If you’re lynched, the person who hammers you will be targeted by the bullets.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Aerith Gainsborough (from Final Fantasy VII, the game), town doctor.

Every night you can protect someone. If that person is scheduled to be killed by 1 source, the person will live instead.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Cait Sith (from Final Fantasy VII, the game), town immortal doublevoter.

You can’t be nightkilled. You can’t be lynched. Perhaps you’ll live until the end of the game?

While regular players can only vote once, you are allowed to vote twice. Your second vote can either be PMed to be (and will appear as “???” in the vote count) or can be cast in the thread (and will appear as “Commander9” in the vote count).

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Cid Highwind (from Final Fantasy VII, the game), town busdriver.

Every night you can swap 2 people. Actions aimed toward one of them will actually happen to the other and vice-versa.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Vincent Valentine (from Final Fantasy VII, the game), town JOAT.

You have 4 actions, all of them are 1-shot. You can only use 1 action per night.

Your 4 actions are: roleblock, protect, investigate (it will return “mafia” or “not mafia”) and kill.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Reeve Tuesti, town cop.

Every night you can investigate one player. You’ll receive a “mafia” or “not mafia” result.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Dyne, town overeager vigilante.

Every night you have to kill someone.

You hate Scarlet for everything she has done to you and you won’t stop until you kill her. After you kill Scarlet, you’ll become a regular vigilante (it means you can kill only if you want as opposed to being forced to kill every night).

From your current investigations, you know Scarlet to be one of 5 players:
Agentcom
Master Bush
Commander9
Slowreactor
Shaggydan

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Tifa Lockhart (from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, the movie), town lover.

You will die if killboy08 dies and vice-versa. You don't know if Killboy is town or not.
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Cloud Strife (from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, the movie), town lover.
You will die if slowreactor dies and vice-versa. You don't know if slowreactor is town or not.

You’re also 1-shot bulletproof against bullets (pardon the redundancy).

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Yuffie Kisaragi (from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, the movie), town roleblocker.

Every night you can roleblock someone. That person will not be able to use his power during that night.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Jesse, vanilla townie.

You have no night actions.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Biggs, vanilla townie.

You have no night actions.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

You are Wedge, vanilla townie.

You have no night actions.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]

[jgordon1111]

congrats to all of you, and really ghostly you dont play like a noob. Thats what got you killed in the other one,trying to act like one when you showed you had more skill than that in this one.

[Rodion]

I targeted chapcrap. In my full honest opinion on my first game, that was amazing . Though I knew they had more than 1 left and thats why they were so eager after I tried lynching skill.

Yeah, the last night, we switched you and me. I figured that you would go for me over skill with the kill... We also targeted you for the kill as well, so you should have been annihilated with a Mako too!

Not sure...he was bulletproof. It looks like he only died because it was his own sword. If he had targeted Skill (it was a toss up) ghostly probably would have won.

I do kind of wonder what would have happened. Wouldn't it go to day again to determine a lynch? I basically would have chosen who would win at that point, right?

-Sully

Pretty much. And your role PM said that you could only win with town or mafia, so I assume you'd lynch Sephiroth.

[ghostly447]

And actually when I said I had a suspect, it was chapcrap. And I was going to read all the posts to find a case against him. Then I figured I would vote skill, figuring there was 1 mafia left, then kill chapcrap in the night, going into the situation of me, VS, and 1 other person and then I would vote the other person, VS would bandwagon, and I would win in night 8. lol. If only that could have happened XD.

[ghostly447]

congrats to all of you, and really ghostly you dont play like a noob. Thats what got you killed in the other one,trying to act like one when you showed you had more skill than that in this one.

My grand plan coming into the mafia community was to always keep up the same post rate, etc, to where no one could say I was acting different .

[Victor Sullivan]

Not sure...he was bulletproof. It looks like he only died because it was his own sword. If he had targeted Skill (it was a toss up) ghostly probably would have won.

I do kind of wonder what would have happened. Wouldn't it go to day again to determine a lynch? I basically would have chosen who would win at that point, right?

-Sully

Pretty much. And your role PM said that you could only win with town or mafia, so I assume you'd lynch Sephiroth.

Assuming I remembered that

-Sully

[strike wolf]

I targeted chapcrap. In my full honest opinion on my first game, that was amazing . Though I knew they had more than 1 left and thats why they were so eager after I tried lynching skill.

Yeah, the last night, we switched you and me. I figured that you would go for me over skill with the kill... We also targeted you for the kill as well, so you should have been annihilated with a Mako too!

Not sure...he was bulletproof. It looks like he only died because it was his own sword. If he had targeted Skill (it was a toss up) ghostly probably would have won.

I do kind of wonder what would have happened. Wouldn't it go to day again to determine a lynch? I basically would have chosen who would win at that point, right?

-Sully

Well one mafia (since Ghostly would have killed the other). One town. One serial killer and one survivor. It really would have been a toss up for who you could choose. At that point with Mafia being the obvious one, I would have imagined you would have chosen to vote chap and side with the SK.

I did lie about not having a kill. I was experimenting a bit on this game (thought me getting my kill flavor late was just a mod being forgetful dxidn't expect it to be true for everyone). I kind of knew mafia was going to bus drive me on that night I was killed. thought I might aim at myself just to see if I could hit one of them. that would have been epic.

[ghostly447]

I targetted chap last night because I wanted him gone. Because he had VS side with him day 6, and I didnt want it happening Day 8 too. Was trying to think ahead .

[ghostly447]

Also going to request some constructive criticism please. Anything I did wrong, I would be happy to hear about it so that I can improve my game some more .

[Rodion]

Regarding bulletproofs

7 characters had some sort of protection. Some of them were simply "buletproof against bullets", which meant their protection would only work against:
a) mafia kills
b) Dyne kills
c) Barret's bomb kill

This was the case for both Clouds and Rufus , all 1-shot bulletproof against those kills.

President Shinra was 1-shot bulletproof against any kill (not lynch).

I usually like my serial killers strong, since they are alone and have a "last man standing" winning condition.

Hojo was 2-shot bulletproof against bullets (like both Clouds and Rufus), but he was also immune to his own poison (think busdrivers). He was an arsonist (called poisoner for flavour reasons) that could be killed in 4 circumstances:

a) lynched
b) killed by Sephiroth
c) killed by Vincent's Limite Break
d) killed by normal bullets (Dyne, Barret, mafia) after his 2-shot bulletproof had expired.

Sephiroth was a standard SK (investigation immune) that would only die in 3 circumstances:
a) lynched
b) killed by his own sword (via busdrive)
c) killed by Hojo

Caith Sith was even more resistant. The game showed Cait Sith "die" once, just to be replaced by another identical robot. Cait Sith would only leave the game if Reeve died (he was immune to anything else).

[Victor Sullivan]

Rodion, you should update the first post

-Sully

[Rodion]

Regarding kill flavours

The game had 6 potential killers.

Dyne and Barret shared the same kill flavour, but it should be easy to differentiate since Barret only got to kill once (right after his death). Their flavour was "executed by countless gatling gun shots".

Mafia's flavour was "pulverized by a huge mako cannon", regardless of which mafia performed the kill.

Sephiroth's flavour was "impaled by a masamune".

Hojo's flavour was "sucumbed to mako poisoning".

Vincent's flavour was "ripped to shreds". The kill was supposed to come from his "Chaos" Limit Break and he was made a JOAT because he had 4 limit breaks, each featuring one sort of mutation.

[Rodion]

Regarding balance

There were 19 roles between town and mafia. The other 6 were 4 survivors (the Turks) that could mason over the course of the game, Hojo and Sephiroth.

I did realize the existence of 4 survivors could end up helping the mafia, but I also considered Sephiroth, Hojo and Dyne could kill those if they found it appropriate (to prevent mafia from reaching endgame sooner).

Mafia had 5 roles:

Godfather (investigation immune and 1-shot bulletproof)
1-shot bulletproof against bullets
Roleblocker
Framer
Busdriver

The busdriver was really strong and I knew that, but I wanted to give mafia something pretty powerful to rival with town's firepower.

Town had 14 roles.

3 VTs
2 lovers, 1 being 1-shot bulletproof
Cop
Doctor
Bodyguard (died instead of his protected target but was 1-shot bulletproof)
JOAT
Overeager Vigilante that could become a normal vigilante and had a shortlist of 5 people containing 1 sure mafia
Busdriver
Bomb
Roleblocker
Immortal doublevoter

As far as investigations go, town had 2 power roles (+ Vincent): Reeve, the cop, Vincent with his 1-shot investigation and Dyne with his shortlist of 5 (the list had Scarlet, Cait Sith, Tifa, one randomly chosen Turk and one randomly chosen VT). I expected Hippo to claim on D1 explaining his shortlist, but he never did.

As far as protections go, town had Aeris, the doctor, and Cloud, a bodyguard that would die instead of his victim (but he had 1-shot bulletproof to prevent him from dying in his first save). Both Clouds were bulletproof and Cait Sith was extremely well protected by nature. The existence of Cait amplified Barret's bomb power role, as Commander was there to make a safe hammer if town was unable to find a proper target for the hammering.

Cid was the town's busdriver and his actions always took precedence over Palmer's, meaning he could effectively protect Reeve should he ever claim (protecting Cait Sith by default). Yoshi's excessive breadcrumbing of Jgordon's guilt was good for giving town a good D4 lynch, but it might have been the reason he was killed to begin with.