Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[HotShot53]

@those pushing me. why are none of you inquiring with pcm right now. He is one of the larger supporters of my lynch, and has been on radio silence for quite some time..

Suck my cock. Seriously. How many fucking times do I have to say I'm limited right now in how much I can post? You didn't even respond to my last post, so you have no right to even harp on me.

Also, fucking fullclaim.

Why are people voting aage? He might maybe have a weird role that might maybe be something or other? How is that scummy? Aage has handled himself pretty well there, but HotShot's stock is crashing and Streaker warrants a very close look now (but I'd have probably said that before too).

I'm guessing Storr doesn't want to full claim because he apparently doesn't have a manga name like the rest of us who have claimed (excluding DD). Not sure if that means DD and Storr are scum (could be possible), or if rishead is just messing with us. If Storr was fake claiming, I would have expected him to invent something by now, it's not like there are a lack of obscure manga characters that makes it pretty safe to fake claim one.

I am voting aage because after going back in detail, he hasn't actually done anything very towny, everything seems to be posts that could be towny or could be scummy, depending which angle you look at them. His voting record is pretty much all jumping on bandwagons, including 2 of the 3 claimed lovers (after they claimed). He has not voted or even put out very strong opinions on day 2, and hasn't tried to lead any cases on anyone either day. His claim is pretty much non-provable, and non-counterclaimable, making it a perfect potential fake claim. It is likely that scum did not kill anyone night one, so it is very possible he was trying to make the kill on a perceived either lover or vig that was unlikely to have protection, but my jailkeep prevented it.

For storr, either he has even bigger guts than I imagine he does in saying 2 people visited mtam if he's not a watcher, or else aage is his scum buddy coming to protect him... I don't see storr as potential scum unless aage is also scum. I'd rather take the chance in lynching someone who has done nothing to help town and is basically a VT since he says he might not even use his claimed random role the rest of the game, and even if he does he could mess things up as much as help them, rather than someone who if nothing else is very active and seems to be a watcher, a useful role.

[StorrZerg]

Aage took a stance on pushing you. Several people liked his points.

Hotshot, the 2 town reads any time

[HotShot53]

Aage took a stance on pushing you. Several people liked his points.

Hotshot, the 2 town reads any time

No, aage posted comments about my reads... he never actually voted me or said I was scum. I would have had more respect for him had he done so. As I said in my summary... he's not voted or pushed anyone yet on day 2. His only strong points seem to be defending you... either he is your scum buddy, or he is scum trying to buddy up to the most influential town so you don't make a case on him yourself.

I spent 1 1/2 hours giving a detailed read on aage yesterday with quotes and everything asked for. Turned out I didn't read him as town as I originally did. I am already spending way more time on this game than I should be, so sorry I can't bow to your every whim the moment you want me to.

[Streaker]

I spent the entire Day 1 yelling and screaming Ultra is scum. I didn't believe his 'no power' claim. I blocked him.

[StorrZerg]

K. No lead off that then.

Reason why is reasonable as well.
I think it makes you look more town.

[Whatsausage]

Here goes, though I'm sure I'm due for an epic comeback post given the time I missed, I don't know that this one will be quite that haha.

Taking storr's night knowledge: I think we can believe that storr is a watcher, and that aage and hotshot visited mtam. As far as alignment, I am with the group that believes that virus' death was caused by either a vig or 3rd party kill and therefore a scum kill was somehow stopped. We have streaker saying he blocked ultra, who is accepted as town (100% not "standard scum" as virus flipped town and at least had been the same alignment as ultra last night, although perhaps I am just being paranoid I don't trust ultra) so the scum kill had to have been prevented another way. So that leaves a few options:
1. Scum didn't try to kill/there isn't a "scum" faction - I put these together because they are similar and I believe both to be very unlikely
2. Scum targeted someone other than mtam or ultra and was stopped by either someone who is BP or saved by doc - This is possible, although statistically unlikely (from the roles possibly not existing and unlikely that scum would target the same as a doc)
3. Scum targeted ultra and overlapped with the assumed other killer - Also unlikely. Not sure if this would've caused ultra to die even after virus' revival, but at the very least it seems that scum would've chosen virus over ultra as a target (unless they expected virus to be protected, enter WIFOM) to get two kills

So with three unlikely (contingent upon scum going against logic to screw with us or doc getting a good save) options, I think the fourth option to be most likely:
4. Either hotshot or aage is scum and the other stopped the kill. Originally aage thought couldn't have stopped it, but with further clarification it seems that 1 of his 3 would stop the kill with one other causing all sorts of confusion and the other being a roleblock. So if he is telling the truth it would seem the only possibility is that he acted as a doc and saved mtam from a killer hotshot. If hotshot is telling the truth, it would be very possible for him to have stopped a killer aage. (Both if these are assuming the first statement in this case is true. It is possible they are both telling the truth and aage's role could've done a bunch of things with no effect.)
In conclusion to this: No hard set truths to be found. Probability with some assumed variables shows it most likely that aage was stopped from killing mtam by hotshot, but only because of his convoluted (claimed) role. I don't know that a confusing role is lynch-worthy, so I will have to look back over the cases before deciding, but it seems pretty likely that one of the two is scum. Right now I am in favor of lynching one and if he comes up town having mtam revive him and ultra shoot the other (especially if hotshot flips town, as his power is more useful).

@streaker, your way of going about claiming seemed... off. (IE: When you said what the role was, you immediately followed it up by saying it isn't something you would do as scum) You brought it up with no pressure as a CC to jailkeeper, saying you hadn't seen the two on the same said, but then you really didn't follow up with it at all. Not sure if this was a scum attempt to get a claim off early with no pressure, if you were trying to get the last little bit of traction against hotshot so he could be lynched before the backing off of "it is possible both roles are town", or if you were actually concerned that hotshot couldn't be a town jailkeeper since you're a town roleblocker. It doesn't seem to be the last option because of how quickly (at least it seems to me) you backed off of it.

Your reason for blocking ultra is reasonable as storr says, but it would also be a safe block claim for scum as the watcher has already claimed so there is little chance of being caught that way and that ultra had claimed not to have a night action except for tonight (so there would be no way to disprove your claim)

[TheForgivenOne]

Sorry everyone, I've requested to be replaced. One of my colleagues got laid off and my work load doubled.

I'll try to keep posting until Rish can find a replacement, but can't guarantee it. I'm ~Hoping~ to get a post in before 6.

[UltrasPlot]

Has anyone noticed how dd disappears every time we stop pressuring him?

imo scum lead

[aage]

Aage took a stance on pushing you. Several people liked his points.

Hotshot, the 2 town reads any time

No, aage posted comments about my reads... he never actually voted me or said I was scum. I would have had more respect for him had he done so.

Wow, thanks for nothing. At the end of the breakdown of your reads, I gave my reasons for not voting but indicated that I would if you didn't claim. Next time I'll just put you at L-1 and see what happens after, I guess.

[dd515087]

Has anyone noticed how dd disappears every time we stop pressuring him?

imo scum lead

I'm here, just too busy to post anything worthwhile. I've been keeping up so that once I'm less busy I don't have too much to go back and read. If you have anything specific to ask me I can try and answer it with more in depth thoughts, later tonight.

Basics: I think HotShot is town. Still haven't decided on Storr, neutral. Streaker, whatsausage, and crasp are suspicious IMO. Still haven't decided on aage, leaning scum. Ultra and AoG, I don't like your play, but I'd have to say Ultra = town and AoG = leaning scum. Strike's play isn't as good as D1, but I'm still reading town on him. I think our best bet is to lynch Streaker at this point. Aage, whatsausage, crasp could also be good lynches for laying low, but still being somewhat active. Other relatively inactives could be good targets as well, but not for lynch, maybe your 2 shots just to get them out.

[StorrZerg]

@WS from a scum perspective, a block on ultra makes little sense. Ultra wanted to die, if they had to fear anything, it was his powers he would gain upon his own death with virus reviving him. IF they believed that. Other wise it isn't beyond reason for them to believe the claim, specially if zivel/dd5 are town as well. + when you add in dd5 claim of commuter, it seems the claims of lovers are fairly defensive. + with how much scum was placed on ultra/virus, its probably best to use powers on other targets.
(someone brought up ultra + cop stuff, but that seems incredibly unlikely to still believe going into the night considering how day 1 unfolded)

as for hotshot/aage. I'm awaiting the response of aage regarding his 3rd option (bus driver thing) and if that would have over ridden a "jail keeper"

regarding setup, and current claims.

I think its unlikely we have another town blocking mechanic with a "blocker claim + jailer"
I also think that at most we have 1 additional "saving mechanic"

So considering this, I think its impossible for aage and hotshot to both be scum (of the same team)
I think if aage and hotshot are both town, then who ever else has a save mechanic, most likely saved someone correctly. (thus likely that person is town)

Another option would be, an additional redirected power / bus driver mechanic. this seems unlikely with AoG 1.0 death. Thus its likely safe to assume ultra(virus, assuming ultra was the target, and virus sacrificed himself for ultra) death was not caused by mafia.

honestly looking closer at hotshot/aage. they have very similar claims (yes powers are different) but we have 2 protective and 2 blocking claimed from both of them.

(fyi, my watch stuff, is assuming i can watch the killer kill someone, i assume the factional kill / s of a mafia has to carried out by a certain player, and can be watched)
I'm asking for clarification on this. (and there is possibility of a mafia having power to not be detected by tracker/watcher not to be ruled out, but if thats the case then i can't do anything about it)

[Army of GOD]

hm, ok, I'll come out.



I also visited mtam last night. So either someone is lying or someone got blocked. I'm not going to give info about my role but I will if you guys want.

[aage]

@WS from a scum perspective, a block on ultra makes little sense. Ultra wanted to die, if they had to fear anything, it was his powers he would gain upon his own death with virus reviving him. IF they believed that. Other wise it isn't beyond reason for them to believe the claim, specially if zivel/dd5 are town as well. + when you add in dd5 claim of commuter, it seems the claims of lovers are fairly defensive. + with how much scum was placed on ultra/virus, its probably best to use powers on other targets.
(someone brought up ultra + cop stuff, but that seems incredibly unlikely to still believe going into the night considering how day 1 unfolded)

as for hotshot/aage. I'm awaiting the response of aage regarding his 3rd option (bus driver thing) and if that would have over ridden a "jail keeper"

regarding setup, and current claims.

I think its unlikely we have another town blocking mechanic with a "blocker claim + jailer"
I also think that at most we have 1 additional "saving mechanic"

So considering this, I think its impossible for aage and hotshot to both be scum (of the same team)
I think if aage and hotshot are both town, then who ever else has a save mechanic, most likely saved someone correctly. (thus likely that person is town)

Another option would be, an additional redirected power / bus driver mechanic. this seems unlikely with AoG 1.0 death. Thus its likely safe to assume ultra(virus, assuming ultra was the target, and virus sacrificed himself for ultra) death was not caused by mafia.

honestly looking closer at hotshot/aage. they have very similar claims (yes powers are different) but we have 2 protective and 2 blocking claimed from both of them.

(fyi, my watch stuff, is assuming i can watch the killer kill someone, i assume the factional kill / s of a mafia has to carried out by a certain player, and can be watched)
I'm asking for clarification on this. (and there is possibility of a mafia having power to not be detected by tracker/watcher not to be ruled out, but if thats the case then i can't do anything about it)

You couldn't make this crap up, but I can say with certainty that I used the doc action last night.

Rishaed just informed me that I can now choose which action I use. In the original pm he said that I should pick a number 1-3, and I assumed that had to do with the "chance" of "it" happening. Turns out it has to do with the action that I end up doing, the chance of failure is rng by the mod. I sent in "1", and after Rish asked me to also name a player, I sent in "mtam". The 1 relates to a doc action, 2 relates to a busdrive action, 3 relates to a roleblock. So my role has suddenly become sort of useful. If you don't buy this I understand, because I also know that this looks sketchy as hell, but I'm 100% sure that IF my action succeeded, that it was a doc action.
I think the mod waited with this information firstly because he admitted he forgot to put it in my pm (smh) and because I have to send in 2 names for a proper busdrive, which I couldn't do if I wasn't aware.

I'm in the process of reading all of Strike's post, I'm now at his Mother Of All Posts on page 22. Will probably post my input on the case later tonight.

[aage]

hm, ok, I'll come out.



I also visited mtam last night. So either someone is lying or someone got blocked. I'm not going to give info about my role but I will if you guys want.

Ok, this is interesting. No need to make a claim on what your action does, if you're town it will only help mafia.

Storr?

[dd515087]

hm, ok, I'll come out.



I also visited mtam last night. So either someone is lying or someone got blocked. I'm not going to give info about my role but I will if you guys want.

I think you should give info. We already have at least partial claims from HotShot, Aage, and Storr. So one out of you 4 is most likely lying (unless there's some weird game mechanic with someone's role)

[StorrZerg]

hm, ok, I'll come out.



I also visited mtam last night. So either someone is lying or someone got blocked. I'm not going to give info about my role but I will if you guys want.

Unvote hotshot
Vote AoG

thanks for making this easy

[StorrZerg]

honestly until aog comes back in and says something we are at a stand still.

[HotShot53]

hm, ok, I'll come out.



I also visited mtam last night. So either someone is lying or someone got blocked. I'm not going to give info about my role but I will if you guys want.

Did you get a response to indicate you actually visited him and weren't blocked? If so, then either you or storr is lying... and as much as storr has changed his story about what info he has, I wouldn't doubt at all storr is still lying, will be interesting to see how he spins it this time.

In the meantime, aage's "role" changes every time he posts... storr has been hinting to him for a while to claim he had a doc action so he could try to pin scum on me, and surprise surprise, aage finally claimed he was a doc last night. I don't believe him at all.

I am starting to feel pretty strongly that storr and aage are scum buddies trying to cover each other's tracks. I would recommend lynching one of them, and then ultra shoots the other.

[StorrZerg]

Lets be real for a minute guys. With whats going on. Lets go into the mother fucking dream land where i could be mafia.

If i'm making this play regarding matamb, it has to be for a reason. It would be because the kill action on mtamb FAILED.

This would also mean i would know a protective role is on mtamb, and i would want that outted so that mafia could kill that person.

Now what we know is, that my role watcher is probably correct. WHy?
because i pushed hotshot right out of the gates.

Thus the most likely solution is that aage action failed to go to mtamb. (thus not picked up) (blocked)
Or his action was redirected to someone else. (that power targeting aog, and changing where he goes to someone else)
or option 3, he is a liar.

So while my initial impulse is to call him out as scum and a liar. That might not be the case.

[StorrZerg]

hm, ok, I'll come out.



I also visited mtam last night. So either someone is lying or someone got blocked. I'm not going to give info about my role but I will if you guys want.

Did you get a response to indicate you actually visited him and weren't blocked? If so, then either you or storr is lying... and as much as storr has changed his story about what info he has, I wouldn't doubt at all storr is still lying, will be interesting to see how he spins it this time.

In the meantime, aage's "role" changes every time he posts... storr has been hinting to him for a while to claim he had a doc action so he could try to pin scum on me, and surprise surprise, aage finally claimed he was a doc last night. I don't believe him at all.

I am starting to feel pretty strongly that storr and aage are scum buddies trying to cover each other's tracks. I would recommend lynching one of them, and then ultra shoots the other.

where did i hint he had doc action before he claimed? He claimed he had the power to protect when he claimed.
I will agree, each time he talks, his power gets more "refined"

[strike wolf]

Well this is incredibly laughable. First storr confirmed that Aage's action reached mtam and he saw it. Now hes saying it could have failed. Seems like a pretty clear contradiction.

[StorrZerg]

Well this is incredibly laughable. First storr confirmed that Aage's action reached mtam and he saw it. Now hes saying it could have failed. Seems like a pretty clear contradiction.

no there is no contradiction.

AoG is claiming to have been at mtamb, when he wasn't

aage, most definitely reached mtamb.

[StorrZerg]

@strikewolf since you love flavor so much.

regarding aage claim, and hotshots claim

which claim matches their power better? why? which one is off?

[UltrasPlot]

Well isn't it a stupid scum play to claim you visited someone you didn't? Especially with a claimed watcher...

Storr + Aage scum seems all the more likely

AoG is cleaner imo

[UltrasPlot]

ebwop
Unvote Storr
Lynch aage
More pressure.

Keeping up FoS on Storr however.