Waterdale Mafia Over Mafia Wins

[Anarkistsdream]

What is that... L -2?

As James so elegantly put it... I have nothing else to add... I claimed... I made COMPLETE sense... and people jump on the wagon... You all that are town should back off quickly and see who is left... or, actually, the scum probably didn't even have to try, you all are doing great without them...

[The Weird One]

What is that... L -2?

As James so elegantly put it... I have nothing else to add... I claimed... I made COMPLETE sense... and people jump on the wagon... You all that are town should back off quickly and see who is left... or, actually, the scum probably didn't even have to try, you all are doing great without them...

I'm confused...You claimed, already?

[JamesKer1]

Nark, your defensive style seems out of sorts and scummier... I know that isn't much of reasoning, but added to everything I and others have pointed out above (my main reasoning), this hits it home.

Vote Nark. One more needed for a lynch.

[Anarkistsdream]

Bad choice of a day one lynch, folks.

[new guy1]

I know it may sound off track, but I just dont see the case on Anark. I find jamesker's jumpiness scummy though. In his last post on page 6 he is talking about how he doesnt see a case on Anark and after TWO makes one post saying that it LOOKS like scum distancing themselves, he immediately vouches that he'll add his vote for a claim or hammer? One post, and you're willing to say "Oh this guy seemed like town, but now that you mention it, he is looking kinda scummy"? Im not saying dont lynch Anark, I am saying that whether Anark flips town or not, James is my candidate to look at tomorrow.

[JamesKer1]

I know it may sound off track, but I just dont see the case on Anark. I find jamesker's jumpiness scummy though. In his last post on page 6 he is talking about how he doesnt see a case on Anark and after TWO makes one post saying that it LOOKS like scum distancing themselves, he immediately vouches that he'll add his vote for a claim or hammer? One post, and you're willing to say "Oh this guy seemed like town, but now that you mention it, he is looking kinda scummy"? Im not saying dont lynch Anark, I am saying that whether Anark flips town or not, James is my candidate to look at tomorrow.

I didn't say I didn't see a case on Nark- just that I didn't see IB's.

And newguy, while you're here... You haven't placed a serious vote at all this whole day. And you've made all of four posts after your joke vote, only one including content to "advance" the game. (One was to unvote a joke vote, the second to get me to calm down (which I appreciate by the way), the third was saying you didn't have much to add, and the fourth is above). 4 out of about 60 real posts... That's about 1 in 15 in an 8 player game. I understand some people here make a lot of posts, including myself, so realistically maybe 1 in 10 posts is what I would expect, but that's way off... What's going on?

[new guy1]

I know it may sound off track, but I just dont see the case on Anark. I find jamesker's jumpiness scummy though. In his last post on page 6 he is talking about how he doesnt see a case on Anark and after TWO makes one post saying that it LOOKS like scum distancing themselves, he immediately vouches that he'll add his vote for a claim or hammer? One post, and you're willing to say "Oh this guy seemed like town, but now that you mention it, he is looking kinda scummy"? Im not saying dont lynch Anark, I am saying that whether Anark flips town or not, James is my candidate to look at tomorrow.

I didn't say I didn't see a case on Nark- just that I didn't see IB's.

And newguy, while you're here... You haven't placed a serious vote at all this whole day. And you've made all of four posts after your joke vote, only one including content to "advance" the game. (One was to unvote a joke vote, the second to get me to calm down (which I appreciate by the way), the third was saying you didn't have much to add, and the fourth is above). 4 out of about 60 real posts... That's about 1 in 15 in an 8 player game. I understand some people here make a lot of posts, including myself, so realistically maybe 1 in 10 posts is what I would expect, but that's way off... What's going on?

Had my friends over this weekend and several things during the week at school. I am rarely the front runner in posts for the game. I am usually one of those people that sleeps when conversation is going on and then get on to have nothing to say. I am in a hurry, so I may post more later.

[gregwolf121]

anark you need to claim

[JamesKer1]

anark you need to claim

He "claimed" Vanilla Townie in two posts, before the pressure was ever put on him. I think he is BS'ing us though...

So if newguy won't vote him, we are depending on Fircoal or KGB for the lynch, unless we can change NG's mind (prob not going to happen)..

[Anarkistsdream]

Jesus Christ... please do lynch me. That is TWO of you who have already skimmed... pull your heads out of your asses and fucking READ.

[JamesKer1]

You can always vote for yourself...

[The Weird One]

Please forgive the incoming wall of quotes. I'll summarize the reason, here: Nark, you keep on saying that you claimed. Here is a list of every post you have made in this thread. Please tell me which one is the claim. I see an inference or two that you are town, but no more than that. Were we supposed to be reading between the lines, or am I just that unobservant? I'd really love to know.

IN...

I promise I won't be stupid this game for all who sign up behind me... But in please.

The thing about mafia is every game is different. I have no preconceptions, dude... Glad you are in.

Confirm... New people make sure to read all the rules! And don't hesitate to ask... If you are a one of the prisoners, just let me know and I'll help you out.

OK, so let's break this down...

2 Prisoners
6 Townies (unless there is a third party, which I don't see Spiesr putting one in such a small game)

Out of those townies, what do you guys think? One cop, one doc? Maybe a JOAT, instead of two separate roles?

He said it was a basic game, so I wouldn't think the scum have any roles at all.

This first day lynch is going to be critical, more so than most games because of the small number of players and the fact that there are only two enemies.

2 Prisoners
6 Townies (unless there is a third party, which I don't see Spiesr putting one in such a small game)

Yeah, I don't see a third party being here. Would this being basic add to that and support it?

SUPPORT IT

Out of those townies, what do you guys think? One cop, one doc? Maybe a JOAT, instead of two separate roles?

JOAT? Dang... That would be nice if someone had it.

It would be, but it ALSO means that there would only be one night action for the whole town... And, most JOATS are only one shots... Each of their abilities are used up after the first time. The one cop/one doc would actually benefit the town most.

He said it was a basic game, so I wouldn't think the scum have any roles at all.

Is that assumed or are we speaking from experience/inside info?

Basic games generally are Mafia, Vanilla Townie, Cop, Doc.... And many don't even have the cop or doc, but maybe only one of those two... Experience, no inside info.

This first day lynch is going to be critical, more so than most games because of the small number of players and the fact that there are only two enemies.

Definitely.

Vote TWO for submarining in all his games...that utter cad!


In all seriousness, though, with the activity, thus far, I haven't picked up anything, yet...other than Nark's glorious attempt at outing the mafia.

Hey... ya never know

Actually, I'm gong to VOte:Fircoal as well seeing as how he has disappeared.... What's your excuse, chu..? COLLEGE? Bah!

I totally agree with IB, here, and think that since it is suposedly "newbie friendly" there won't be any crazy roles. We can only HOPE we have a cop AND a doc, and not just one or the other. This means that the two scum are way ahead of us.

I am leaning toward a kgb or Jamesker vote, based on their posts, but I haven't seen anything to warrant an actual vote, yet... C'mon someone, do something scummy.

vote: kgb

Someone has to go for us to start making progress.

He hasn't been around. Life got him.

Unvote


I believe it.

If he is telling the truth mafia will know it and work around him thus giving them better odds of hitting a pr.

If that is the case, they can work around me, too... But that means it is someone else's job to be a scumbag, and, IB, you are way too helpful in this game... Sure you aren't overplaying your townieness?

Anybody who is town should understand why I unvoted kgb... that is the exact makeup of the role from spiesr... Blue, bold, and Vanilla Townie...

The fact that nobody else seemed to think that so surely is sad to me, because there are only two scum... Makes me think that TWO is one of them...

VOTE: TWO

Wow, everyone is voting me... I am surprised...

What is that... L -2?

As James so elegantly put it... I have nothing else to add... I claimed... I made COMPLETE sense... and people jump on the wagon... You all that are town should back off quickly and see who is left... or, actually, the scum probably didn't even have to try, you all are doing great without them...

Bad choice of a day one lynch, folks.

Jesus Christ... please do lynch me. That is TWO of you who have already skimmed... pull your heads out of your asses and fucking READ.

[spiesr]

Vote Count:
Anarkistsdream (4): Iron Butterfly, The Weird One, gregwolf121, JamesKer1
The Weird One (2): Fircoal, Anarkistsdream
Fircoal (1): kgb007

5 Votes required for a lynch.
Deadline: October 22 12:00 MDT
kgb007 has been prodded.

[JamesKer1]

I had assumed quotes 12 and 13 as giveaways on it... But rereading them, he hasn't really claimed at all. My bad for assuming that, sorry greg and TWO

[Anarkistsdream]

Thank you, James... at least someone is reading... If I hadn't received the same role from Spiesr that kgb did, then I would n't have pointed out the fact that it is what every other townies looks like... jesus.

[kgb007]

i got prodded but i haven't had time to respond to a lot of the developments since I claimed, it's my mom's birthday today so i've been a bit preoccupied scrambling for a gift and such, i'll post something more substantial before the end of the day

[gregwolf121]

Thank you, James... at least someone is reading... If I hadn't received the same role from Spiesr that kgb did, then I would n't have pointed out the fact that it is what every other townies looks like... jesus.

whos skimming now?, anyways all you have claimed is that you are town, soft claiming a vt. well this doesn't convince me that you are town, as they say WCS we lynch a vt.

as for how you knew what a town role looks like well its a very basic format that basically everyone uses so just because your able to tell the that a bold blue vanilla townie is a town role doesn't make you town.

[kgb007]

Vote IB

Also, this vote will put me as the person to be lynched on the 22nd. I'm doing this in faith that some will be taken off. If I am still the leading voted person on the 20th, I will be unhappy to but will provide a claim I guess, to give everyone adequate time to take their votes off me.

unless i'm wrong about the VC this is incorrect, while you may have the most votes cast against you, if you don't have 5 votes, you're not getting lynched, am I correct on this mod? i realize a lot of votes have changed hands since james' post but i want to make sure we're not just lynching someone at the end of the day if they have 3 votes against them and someone else has 2...

Anybody who is town should understand why I unvoted kgb... that is the exact makeup of the role from spiesr... Blue, bold, and Vanilla Townie...

The fact that nobody else seemed to think that so surely is sad to me, because there are only two scum... Makes me think that TWO is one of them...

VOTE: TWO

this reeks of an OMGUS vote which isn't good anark, IB votes you first for reasons i'm still trying to put into a coherent sentence, james immediately comes to nark's defense and votes IB before TWO chimes in with his bit of scum distancing case

and then you have nark's response above, nark, why did you choose to vote TWO and not IB?

i'm still suspicious of fir and his 2 posts per week behavior and then there's james who's been very quick to cast and recast his vote, the latest example was james' asking for greg's opinion and subsequent vote against nark, upon which james switches his vote to nark as well pushing nark to L1 and appealing to myself and fir to hammer since newguy chimed in, so you might have a better time getting fir or newguy to hammer then me at this point, i'm in agreement with newguy actually, if nark flips town, i'd start with james tmw

[Anarkistsdream]

this reeks of an OMGUS vote which isn't good anark, IB votes you first for reasons i'm still trying to put into a coherent sentence, james immediately comes to nark's defense and votes IB before TWO chimes in with his bit of scum distancing case

and then you have nark's response above, nark, why did you choose to vote TWO and not IB?

Because at least IB came to the conclusion on his own... TWO just hopped along for the ride. IB has solid opinions based on logic that I can understand... He does this in most games I see him play in. You will notice I have agreed with him throughout this thread... I look scummy to him for valid reasons, at least, even if they aren't true.

i'm still suspicious of fir and his 2 posts per week behavior and then there's james who's been very quick to cast and recast his vote, the latest example was james' asking for greg's opinion and subsequent vote against nark, upon which james switches his vote to nark as well pushing nark to L1 and appealing to myself and fir to hammer since newguy chimed in, so you might have a better time getting fir or newguy to hammer then me at this point, i'm in agreement with newguy actually, if nark flips town, i'd start with james tmw

Fircoal has been gone for a long time... His Cino game is going down the crapper because people are losing interest. I really don't think it is scummy that he is gone... As I said earlier in this post, Real life got him...

And I am going to flip town, just so you know... And everyone is still gonna say, "Well gah, look at the way he was playing." Obviously, people didn't remember that this is always how I play... Aggressive, talkative, and foul-mouthed...

[spiesr]

unless i'm wrong about the VC this is incorrect, while you may have the most votes cast against you, if you don't have 5 votes, you're not getting lynched, am I correct on this mod? i realize a lot of votes have changed hands since james' post but i want to make sure we're not just lynching someone at the end of the day if they have 3 votes against them and someone else has 2...

From the rules:

Should such a deadline be reached without a majority vote I will randomly decide between a lynching the player with the most votes and ending the day without a lynch.

So, if the deadline is reached without a player (or "No Lynch") receiving 5 votes I will randomly choose between Lynching the player with the most votes, right now Anarkistsdream, and ending the day without a lynch. So, if you have a preference for either outcome be sure to cast your vote instead of letting the deadline hit.
Deadline is at October 22 12:00 MDT and the Vote Count is unchanged.

[The Weird One]

this reeks of an OMGUS vote which isn't good anark, IB votes you first for reasons i'm still trying to put into a coherent sentence, james immediately comes to nark's defense and votes IB before TWO chimes in with his bit of scum distancing case

and then you have nark's response above, nark, why did you choose to vote TWO and not IB?

Because at least IB came to the conclusion on his own... TWO just hopped along for the ride. IB has solid opinions based on logic that I can understand... He does this in most games I see him play in. You will notice I have agreed with him throughout this thread... I look scummy to him for valid reasons, at least, even if they aren't true.

If I recall, I did post reasons for my vote.

While I have completely different reasons from IB -quite honestly, I don't really see much behind his reasons. I feel like nark is being a bit scummy, here. I'm getting this feeling from two posts:

vote: kgb

Someone has to go for us to start making progress.

and, when kgb claimed:

Unvote


I believe it.

The first, alone, isn't too bad. I can understand the sentiment of wanting to get the ball rolling, but it's the phrasing that stands out to me. Once you add in the second one, it just sounds like nark is fishing for power rolls. He drops off of the case far too quickly. I'll admit, I have been slow to cast my vote, in this game, but that's because it's so small and takes so few votes to lynch, I feel that I should be cautious with it, accordingly.

Now, on to the bit of back and forth betwixt IB and nark: [they're both on this page, or this shall be the first post of the next page, so I'm not going to bother quoting.] To me, this just sounds like scum trying to distance themselves from each other, on day one. I could be wrong with that, but, either way, my first point stands.

Unvote vote Nark

Those look like reasons, to me.

[kgb007]

fair enough, my gut says you're town so i'm not going to hammer

the risk of getting this lynch wrong is too much and i don't want the blood on my hands especially since i believe you, there's too much erratic behavior from james and lack of activity from fir among others..

i was trying to find this quote for my earlier post but wasn't going back far enough

Small games like this are hard for Town. Mafia can sit back with a wait and see attitude.

As of present there are several of us who are posting while others are minimal to nonexistent. We have a week, which sounds like a lot but can fly by real quick.

We need a claim. Unvote VOTE Firecoal

College or not it doesn't take but 5 min to log on and see whats up in a small game like this.

i'm not saying i believe this but it's at least a remote possibility - what if newguy and fir are both scum and don't even have to vote in order for us to lynch one of our own? haha i'll amend my closing statement from my last post and say i'd start with james tmw depending on how today and tonight goes but fir and newguy should either up their activity levels, ask for a replacement or be subjected the scrutiny just like the rest of us, life or no life..

[The Weird One]

fair enough, my gut says you're town so i'm not going to hammer

the risk of getting this lynch wrong is too much and i don't want the blood on my hands especially since i believe you, there's too much erratic behavior from james and lack of activity from fir among others..

i was trying to find this quote for my earlier post but wasn't going back far enough

Small games like this are hard for Town. Mafia can sit back with a wait and see attitude.

As of present there are several of us who are posting while others are minimal to nonexistent. We have a week, which sounds like a lot but can fly by real quick.

We need a claim. Unvote VOTE Firecoal

College or not it doesn't take but 5 min to log on and see whats up in a small game like this.

i'm not saying i believe this but it's at least a remote possibility - what if newguy and fir are both scum and don't even have to vote in order for us to lynch one of our own? haha i'll amend my closing statement from my last post and say i'd start with james tmw depending on how today and tonight goes but fir and newguy should either up their activity levels, ask for a replacement or be subjected the scrutiny just like the rest of us, life or no life..

As far as fircoal goes, I'd rather see him replaced than lynched for inactivity. He's inactive in everything...even his own game.

[kgb007]

unless i'm wrong about the VC this is incorrect, while you may have the most votes cast against you, if you don't have 5 votes, you're not getting lynched, am I correct on this mod? i realize a lot of votes have changed hands since james' post but i want to make sure we're not just lynching someone at the end of the day if they have 3 votes against them and someone else has 2...

From the rules:

Should such a deadline be reached without a majority vote I will randomly decide between a lynching the player with the most votes and ending the day without a lynch.

So, if the deadline is reached without a player (or "No Lynch") receiving 5 votes I will randomly choose between Lynching the player with the most votes, right now Anarkistsdream, and ending the day without a lynch. So, if you have a preference for either outcome be sure to cast your vote instead of letting the deadline hit.
Deadline is at October 22 12:00 MDT and the Vote Count is unchanged.

randomly choose between lynching nark or ending the day with a no lynch???

unvote vote spiesr for trying to sabotage town as the mod...

no but seriously, unvote vote no vote

[Anarkistsdream]

Look, I have no problem taking one for the team... A town win is a win for me, regardless of whether or not I die... (At least in my eyes)

However, as has already been said by myself and others, this is a really small game... If you guys mislynch me today, then mafia kills one.... That means we just lost two townies and put the game at 4 townies and two scum...One more mislynch ends the game....

Do not lynch me... I am town and there is no other way to prove it...