Conquer Club

I know the typical answer to actions is; everything occurs simultaneously, but occasionally that doesn't make sense.


what happens if the mafia roleblocker is sent to kill town roleblocker and block them at the same time, but the town roleblocker blocks them?

M.roleblocker blocks T.rolebocker (blocked)
T.roleblocker blocks M.roleblocker (blocked)
M.roleblocker kills T.roleblocker (blocked?)

if the town's action blocked the kill then it means he wasn't blocked because he blocked the mafia's action which was ineffective for some reason, but if the kill goes through, it means the town's block action was blocked, but the mafia's action wasn't for some reason, which is it?

If it comes down to that kind of situation, I'd just take the first action first. So whoever sends in their action first would take precedence. Not really much other recourse, I think.

-TG

Reminds me of a similar problem on mafia scum. Basically, Roleblock A > Roleblock B > Doctor C > Patient D. Does it go through? There is no correct answer. It depends on the mod. I say that the doctor is able to protect the patient under these circumstances, but other mods see it differently.

In a cyclic case, like yours, I would say that everyone is blocked, including the kill.

There are so many rules that are not clear. I don't even really understand endgames with survivors. If you have 2 maf + 2 surv + 4 town is the game over? I would say yes but I'm not sure.

pmchugh wrote:There are so many rules that are not clear. I don't even really understand endgames with survivors. If you have 2 maf + 2 surv + 4 town is the game over? I would say yes but I'm not sure.

No, the game goes on because it's still possible for mafioso to be voted out.

everywhere116 wrote:Reminds me of a similar problem on mafia scum. Basically, Roleblock A > Roleblock B > Doctor C > Patient D. Does it go through? There is no correct answer. It depends on the mod. I say that the doctor is able to protect the patient under these circumstances, but other mods see it differently.

In a cyclic case, like yours, I would say that everyone is blocked, including the kill.

huh, weird, that doesn't seem like a problem to me, a roleblock as I see it, means "this player's action doesn't work", if a block is blocked it seems pretty obvious they didn't block the doc.
the problem is, using that definition, it's pretty much impossible to call either block "blocked", since they would have both been simultaneously successful in unsuccessfully preventing each other...

and to PMC, I would say no, I never declare a winner until the situation is unrecoverable for a side, or I have prepared a victory condition beforehand that has been met.

/ wrote:I know the typical answer to actions is; everything occurs simultaneously, but occasionally that doesn't make sense.


what happens if the mafia roleblocker is sent to kill town roleblocker and block them at the same time, but the town roleblocker blocks them?

M.roleblocker blocks T.rolebocker (blocked)
T.roleblocker blocks M.roleblocker (blocked)
M.roleblocker kills T.roleblocker (blocked?)

if the town's action blocked the kill then it means he wasn't blocked because he blocked the mafia's action which was ineffective for some reason, but if the kill goes through, it means the town's block action was blocked, but the mafia's action wasn't for some reason, which is it?

I would say all roleblocked, no kill. We assume roleblocks take precedence over kills, so there shouldn't be any kills IMHO.

The normal action priority should go something like this:

Self inflicted (commuter, etc.)
Busdrives/Redirects
Blocks
Protects
Everything else (kills, inv., etc.)

Am I forgetting anything?

Also, in that situation, I think the blocks cancel. The kill goes through.

I'd personally say that the two blocks prevent the other from happening, but as stated this is a mod choice.

everywhere116 wrote:

pmchugh wrote:There are so many rules that are not clear. I don't even really understand endgames with survivors. If you have 2 maf + 2 surv + 4 town is the game over? I would say yes but I'm not sure.

No, the game goes on because it's still possible for mafioso to be voted out.

I still think it should end, because otherwise the game is open to abuse. In the above mentioned situation the survivors just pick a winner. Look at the latest r&j mafia which had multiple factions and a few survivors, after our faction got a head start all I had to do was get the survivors on side and the game was over. I guess I just really dislike the survivor role, I think it is soooooo boring. What does a survivor do during the day? It promotes inactivity IMO.

Your assuming everybody knows what each other's roles are.

All blocked no kills.

pmchugh wrote:

everywhere116 wrote:

pmchugh wrote:There are so many rules that are not clear. I don't even really understand endgames with survivors. If you have 2 maf + 2 surv + 4 town is the game over? I would say yes but I'm not sure.

No, the game goes on because it's still possible for mafioso to be voted out.

I still think it should end, because otherwise the game is open to abuse. In the above mentioned situation the survivors just pick a winner. Look at the latest r&j mafia which had multiple factions and a few survivors, after our faction got a head start all I had to do was get the survivors on side and the game was over. I guess I just really dislike the survivor role, I think it is soooooo boring. What does a survivor do during the day? It promotes inactivity IMO.

Mods prerogative to enforce a deadline, if the survivors can get their act together they will work with the mafia to force the no lynch.

nagerous wrote:

pmchugh wrote:

everywhere116 wrote:

pmchugh wrote:There are so many rules that are not clear. I don't even really understand endgames with survivors. If you have 2 maf + 2 surv + 4 town is the game over? I would say yes but I'm not sure.

No, the game goes on because it's still possible for mafioso to be voted out.

I still think it should end, because otherwise the game is open to abuse. In the above mentioned situation the survivors just pick a winner. Look at the latest r&j mafia which had multiple factions and a few survivors, after our faction got a head start all I had to do was get the survivors on side and the game was over. I guess I just really dislike the survivor role, I think it is soooooo boring. What does a survivor do during the day? It promotes inactivity IMO.

Mods prerogative to enforce a deadline, if the survivors can get their act together they will work with the mafia to force the no lynch.

Agreed. The mafia can threaten mutually assured destruction to survivors (i.e. mafia can't win but will kill survivors to ensure survivors don't win either) to get the survivors to vote with them. Depending on if town has vigs or protective roles left, town probably can't offer protection or promise retaliation either. I would have it play out until one side is clearly superior.

everywhere116 wrote:Your assuming everybody knows what each other's roles are.

This. If you are a survivor and you think it's lylo, you should pretty much throw a vote out there just to see if it gets jumped on. Doubtful the mafia would kill you for that.

To add to that, I'd say in that position the survivors should be offering the filibuster deal. As safari said, baiting them out and turning on them would be foolhardy, given the one who turns (5 to lynch in that scenario) is dead meat.

Order of priority (first two are kind of interchangeable in certain scenarios):

1. Block
2. Drive
3. hide
4. Other actions

This does not count Magnet.

mafia role blocker blocks town roleblocker + Mafia roleblocker kills town doctor +Town Roleblocker role blocks Mafia Role blocker=?

I've always had it so that the role blocks cancel out and any subsequent action (In this case the kill on the town doctor) go through. same can be said if it was a jailer and not a town role blocker. The role block action would be negated but the protection would go through.