Not giving a shit about playing

[Anarkistsdream]

Mass claim, huh?

Firstly: I'm pancake's mason partner and the other Lebowski.

Secondly I am NOT town and win if the Dude is lynched, even if that means endgame.

There are 3 mafias, of which one is a town traitor, and me making 4 votes making a lynch.

Town: You're in a pretty shit position and need to hit only mafia from now on. Me dead is one just one closer to endgame for mafia.

Mafia: Despite your LYLO position your cover is still fairly blown, as haggis prepared to rat you out. I am proposing we lynch the Dude
Here unvote vote anark

You have now enough votes to speedlynch and win right now, and there isn't a thing that town can do.

Agreed for the most part, but if we all agree that we are going to lynch Vio anyway, then it gives the town the advantage to be able to take out 2 scummy people in one day instead of just one.

I'd be careful with that. Feel free to do what you want. But you might quickly find yourself having two dead townies, so i don't know if that is the brightest idea.

Why is this all you are showing up to say???

Why will you not be more active?

Ask to be replaced if you can only spare us one completely pointless post every few days!

Alright.

Due to anark's request, I would like to be replaced.

That's it... I am sick of this shit.

This is why Mafia failed two years ago, and it's failing now.

People, if you are gonna sign up, fucking play... PLAY. It doesn't take but five minutes a day to catch up on any single game. You spend that much time playing your games, so why not play mafia? Why sign up and then leave?

You all sit around and bitch and complain about playing and the way people jump on your bandwagons, but you sure as f*ck don;t have the time to care to play! So WHY DO IT?

I submarine, but it's on purpose... Or it's because I moved at the beginning of this month after taking a vacation. To just not have any reason and not care about it is bullshit.

There are people here who play and TRY THEIR BEST,. People like Nag and Commander and Safari.

And they aren't in agreement with me. I am naming them because I respect them.

I'm done with Mafia after the games I'm in. People sign up just to not play. This requires more time than RISK, so if you are gonna sign up, be prepared for that time. Otherwise, f*ck off.

[safariguy5]

Aw come on nark! At least mod the Myth series, I've got high hopes for that and you know the people in it are dependable.

[VioIet]

Anark, this seems to be a bit hypocritical from my perspective. I will post some quotes from Firefly Mafia to show why I feel this way.

Yeah, the timing of the claim and his complete acceptance of the case I brought against him as true makes me think that he's not really putting much effort into it.

I kinda got steamrolled right after I claimed and I admit, after that, it just hasn't been worth it.

I've played really poorly this game and I do apologize to the players and mod for that.

My advice? Just go play the game, if you are really distraught I can replace you, but you seem to be moping around more then your current position is worth.

W/e deadline approaches.

Moping? Firstly, it's an internet forum game. I apologize because it is polite to do so, not because it is tearing me up inside. I claimed because I thought it would be a good idea at the time, but doing so has been more trouble than it's worth.

Vote: Nark

Jesus guys, it's a game. Calm down.

Even though Nark has given up, I am not comfortable voting for a townie.

How about you kiss my ass? I don't owe anyone an apology. There have been plenty of cases and outings as it has been. I think that people know what their mind is for the night and will see what happens in "the morning."

Well I really thought Nark was giving up the game, but it seems like if he's going to stay around a while longer and is not a VT, then there may still be value to be had from his role. I'm really leery about a 4th pressure Day 1, and I'm not noticing real strong sentiment for pressuring Vio (i.e. not very many votes) and I have suggested no lynches after enough claims on Day 1 before, but I've mostly been shot down and/or voted.

So I will unvote for now and suggest the consideration for a no lynch for today.

Well yes, but that wasn't what other people had been suggesting, so I followed what others had suggested.

Vote: Yoshi

Nark really ruined this game for me.

Really, how is that? You did this to yourself.

You made an unpopular move in that game. Got frustrated and gave up. You even suicided yourself at the end of the game, even after everyone advised you not to.

And then you come here and make a post about people not caring about playing. Did you really care much about playing when you voted yourself in Firefly and then killed yourself? Did you care about how much this hurt the town? Or the mod?

Now I'm not saying you didn't give 100% in the game, and that you didn't try. However when your actions became unpopular, you gave up and killed yourself. For those reasons, i took offense to this post.


I don't see how your actions are any different or even better than what I did by asking to be replaced in a game that I absolutely cannot follow. I have played around 15 mafia games or so here, and I always sign up for the game with the intent to play. I spend hours on this thread everyday- some days more than others. Yes, there are games that i have submarined the heck out of, whether purposefully or not. There are games that i was inactive in, either do to being busy in real life. not understanding the book/topic/theme of the game, or not understanding the course of the arguments, to the point where I could contribute nothing. Even if i did try my best. It has happened to me a few times before. In those cases, I either submarine to the end, or ask to be replaced. I think asking to be replaced is the best thing to do. You even suggested it, and now that I followed your advice, you are mad about it ???

Okay, i get that you are mad and frustrated, but I truly think this is an overreaction. How can you disregard all the games that I've played, and have been extremely active. I've been accused of poor play, and tunnel vision many times over. But i still tried, and played, and gave it my best.
I would say the same for Doomyoshi. He is new and still learning the ropes, but I've found him extremely active in all the games I've had him in. He posts often, makes cases, and he does try. He makes a post every single day in my Clue Mafia game. Say what you want about me- but I don't think you should have included Doomyoshi into your example. That was not fair to him, because he is a very active player. Nor is he the only player who has ever asked to be replaced at some point in a game. And may I ask, you have never asked to be replaced in a game?

As for the players you say you respect- I respect them too. But all three of them have also had times when they got busy in real life and had to ask to be replaced. Or maybe was a little less active in certain games than others. I can pull up the games and quotes to show this- but i will not, because I don't think it is necessary at all. This is something that has happened to every player at one time or another.

I know you miss the golden days of mafia, and this site will most likely never be like that again. But to get this mad at someone for asking to be replaced- to the point of you wanting to quit the site- seems over the top for me. Especially considering your behavior in Firefly. Now if you want to leave the site, that is up to you. Of course i hope that you don't. You were a delight in my clue mafia game before you were killed.You obviously have a lot to contribute to CC Mafia. But if its gotten to the point where its no fun for you, or overly frustrating- then you will have to make that choice.

[Anarkistsdream]

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I don't see how your actions are any different or even better than what I did by asking to be replaced in a game that I absolutely cannot follow. I have played around 15 mafia games or so here, and I always sign up for the game with the intent to play. I spend hours on this thread everyday- some days more than others. Yes, there are games that i have submarined the heck out of, whether purposefully or not. There are games that i was inactive in, either do to being busy in real life. not understanding the book/topic/theme of the game, or not understanding the course of the arguments, to the point where I could contribute nothing. Even if i did try my best. It has happened to me a few times before. In those cases, I either submarine to the end, or ask to be replaced. I think asking to be replaced is the best thing to do. You even suggested it, and now that I followed your advice, you are mad about it ???

Grow a pair and fess up if you don't have time... I've been confronted by mods before, but to just f*ck people over this way is YOUR issue, not mine. These people work hard on this... Don't jerk people around where you have to be confronted like this.

Okay, i get that you are mad and frustrated, but I truly think this is an overreaction. How can you disregard all the games that I've played, and have been extremely active. I've been accused of poor play, and tunnel vision many times over. But i still tried, and played, and gave it my best.

Ask on your own. Don't waste the mods time, who have spent a great deal of effort.

I would say the same for Doomyoshi. He is new and still learning the ropes, but I've found him extremely active in all the games I've had him in. He posts often, makes cases, and he does try. He makes a post every single day in my Clue Mafia game. Say what you want about me- but I don't think you should have included Doomyoshi into your example. That was not fair to him, because he is a very active player. Nor is he the only player who has ever asked to be replaced at some point in a game. And may I ask, you have never asked to be replaced in a game?

How is Doomyoshi even RELATED to this post? I am baffled.

As for the players you say you respect- I respect them too. But all three of them have also had times when they got busy in real life and had to ask to be replaced. Or maybe was a little less active in certain games than others. I can pull up the games and quotes to show this- but i will not, because I don't think it is necessary at all. This is something that has happened to every player at one time or another.

Highlighted the important part.

I know you miss the golden days of mafia, and this site will most likely never be like that again. But to get this mad at someone for asking to be replaced- to the point of you wanting to quit the site- seems over the top for me. Especially considering your behavior in Firefly. Now if you want to leave the site, that is up to you. Of course i hope that you don't. You were a delight in my clue mafia game before you were killed.You obviously have a lot to contribute to CC Mafia. But if its gotten to the point where its no fun for you, or overly frustrating- then you will have to make that choice.

I am mad because you had to be told that you weren't contributing.... Do it on your own, and quit wasting people's time... We were waiting for YOUR posts...

Never said I was gonna quit the site... Said I was no longer gonna be active in this forum...

[Mr. Squirrel]

Ummm.... Can you two make this a Private message discussion? I don't feel like an argument like this belongs in the Mafia discussion forum. I'd like both of you to stay in the forum, but that's not gonna happen if the mods have to come in here and pull you out for flaming.

[VioIet]

Hmm, I see that this quote was left out of my original posts. I meant to quote it, and its what I was responding to.

Agreed, we need to re-read, but that pretty much is the answer... Yoshi did it in Firefly and now Vio is doing it here... Either play or don't sign up... It's getting fucking old, people.

Grow a pair and fess up if you don't have time... I've been confronted by mods before, but to just f*ck people over this way is YOUR issue, not mine. These people work hard on this... Don't jerk people around where you have to be confronted like this.

I have no clue what you even mean here, and if i don't know what something means, I can't respond. What is my issue, that is not yours? I didn't believe I had an issue, actually? By people, you mean the mods right? Yes I agree. But I don't see where or how i was being a jerk???

Ask on your own. Don't waste the mods time, who have spent a great deal of effort.

Ask what? Are you referring to me asking to be replaced? Why would I not ask a mod to replace me? I don't get it.

I am mad because you had to be told that you weren't contributing.... Do it on your own, and quit wasting people's time... We were waiting for YOUR posts...

No one had to tell me anything. I am sure I know of my own contributions or lack thereof better than anyone else. You can't force out what is not there. If I have nothing to say- then i have nothing to say. You can't make a topic/argument/opinion magically appear in my brain if its just not there. You were waiting for something you would never get. That's exactly why I asked to be replaced. Of course I would rather be able to effectively participate in the game- that is the whole reason why I signed up. But I can't- and that's the way it is.

How is Doomyoshi even RELATED to this post? I am baffled.

Yeah, I know. I left a quote out of my original post, that I assumed was there as I was making my remarks. Sorry for the confusion.

Highlighted the important part.

Sorry, but I saw nothing highlighted.

I am mad because you had to be told that you weren't contributing

No, I didn't.

Do it on your own

I would if I could.

and quit wasting people's time... We were waiting for YOUR posts...

Participating in a mafia game is an extra-curricula activity. I understand what you mean to some degree. You don't want to sign up for a game and have it be a total drag to inactivity. Or wait and wait in hopes of a player/s becoming more active and it never happens. I get that. But whether I post or not does not change whether or not you have enough free time in your real life to make space for a mafia game. If I'm inactive- the mod will replace me with someone more active. I don't know how this affects you as much as you are trying to make it seem like it does.

Never said I was gonna quit the site... Said I was no longer gonna be active in this forum...

I meant forum. This mafia forum was what i was talking about.

I find it interesting you didn't comment on any of your behavior in Firefly, yet you want to bash me for asking to be replaced? Why is one action more justified than the other?

[Victor Sullivan]

Anarkistsdream, if you want my opinion (which I doubt, but eh), I think you have the wrong perspective on Mafia. Mafia is a game - it's about having fun! Sh*t happens, bro, and sometimes people simply can't contribute for whatever reason. It's not like there are specific people that have a habit of not completing what they started - things just happen, and we have to deal with them. I respect everyone for playing mafia - it's fun, but it's also quite intellectual, and even an attempt at it is worth a kudos, especially with newbies that aren't necessarily well-informed.

-Sully

[VioIet]

Ummm.... Can you two make this a Private message discussion? I don't feel like an argument like this belongs in the Mafia discussion forum. I'd like both of you to stay in the forum, but that's not gonna happen if the mods have to come in here and pull you out for flaming.

I did feel as though Anark was trying to start a discussion here. I don't believe his intent was to flame me or anyone else, but just to vent out some anger. For the record, I don't think either side has been flamming, imo.

When I first saw this thread, I wasn't even going to bother to respond. However, I did take it personally, and after some thinking, I thought I should come to post my thoughts. Perhaps Anark needed to know my perspective. Then after he posted the second time, I again felt the need to speak.

However, if you don't feel this belongs here - and if you feel that it would be wise for me to not say anything more in this thread, I will concur.

[Anarkistsdream]

You had to be browbeated to ask... I don't understand how you can't grasp that. It had to be pointed out after DAYS of you doing the same thing... Do you see? You should have asked DAYS ago... I don't understand how I can be any clearer...


As to Squirrel. No, because this wasn't just a discussion between her and I. I was making a generalized statement to the masses. She just happened to decide to comment publicly.

As to Victor... It happens because people go "Wow, this sounds great!" But they refuse to realize that it means activity. Then, when they submarine, it leaves a lot of confusion among players and a lot of extra work for the mod... People sign up for five games and f*ck up three... That's not acceptable. It isn't because they make a claim they shouldn't, as I did in Firefly... It's because they just QUIT PLAYING...

Jesus Christ, people, are you all really this oblivious to what I am saying? If no one agrees, whatever, but come ON.

[Anarkistsdream]

Anarkistsdream, if you want my opinion (which I doubt, but eh), I think you have the wrong perspective on Mafia. Mafia is a game - it's about having fun! Sh*t happens, bro, and sometimes people simply can't contribute for whatever reason. It's not like there are specific people that have a habit of not completing what they started - things just happen, and we have to deal with them. I respect everyone for playing mafia - it's fun, but it's also quite intellectual, and even an attempt at it is worth a kudos, especially with newbies that aren't necessarily well-informed.

-Sully

HAHAHAHAHAHA... Are you serious? Do you READ these threads? There sure as hell are. Several...

[safariguy5]

We did talk about this in the usergroup when we were coming up with the handbook for the new mafia forum. The vote was quite strongly against putting a games played at a time cap for anyone. The consensus was the people should be able to self regulate the number of games they play at once.

Now if this really is an issue (which I don't see) then we probably could reopen the possibility of a active games cap per player, but I still would vote against it.

We're all reasonably mature people here, playing a game. Everyone should have a good idea of what they are and are not capable of.

[Victor Sullivan]

Anarkistsdream, if you want my opinion (which I doubt, but eh), I think you have the wrong perspective on Mafia. Mafia is a game - it's about having fun! Sh*t happens, bro, and sometimes people simply can't contribute for whatever reason. It's not like there are specific people that have a habit of not completing what they started - things just happen, and we have to deal with them. I respect everyone for playing mafia - it's fun, but it's also quite intellectual, and even an attempt at it is worth a kudos, especially with newbies that aren't necessarily well-informed.

-Sully

HAHAHAHAHAHA... Are you serious? Do you READ these threads? There sure as hell are. Several...

At any rate, they at least have the original intention of seeing things through.

-Sully

[strike wolf]

I can understand the frustration with inactive players and I can understand that it is a problem. However at the very least I am going to ask that no personal attacks be made here. Activity levels has been a fluxuating problem in this forum for a while. I do support that players should be allowed to join as many games as they would like as different players seem to be able to handle a different number of games at one time but the unfortunate part is that people do not seem to always understand their limit.

[edocsil]

If you are actually leaving I would request to take over your Golden Age Mafia, it is to good of an idea to let it go.

[Iliad]

Interesting that you admit that submarining can be a good tactic. While I am not as active as I would like to be, due to being in my final year in school, I nevertheless usually post at least once in 2 days or so.

Concering Lebowski which you quoted, I'm not sure how much I should be discussing it considering the game's still going and discussing ongoing games is fairly taboo, but let me just say that had every reason to act the way I did, and I should be guaranteed victory. Thus quite clearly an intentional strategy.


Also you know what cause the decline of mafia a few years back? The decline of mafia. Mafia will go through cycles, and there'll be holidays and lessened activities and there will be times of influx of games or an influx of new players. Veterans will come and go, new players might come and check out mafia and some will stay. However it was everyone lamenting the long-lost days and that mafia was now dead and no longer fun that drove away new players. Though as you would notice, mafia doesn't really die and does grow again as more players come. Players not playing or posting can be annoying but to claim that there is a prevalent culture in the community is wrong, and that there are people who engage it all the time is also wrong.

[shieldgenerator7]

It makes me sad to see people leave because then I can't interact with them anymore and new players won't know who we're talking about if the player leaves.

And about game cap, that would be awful because I like to play in a lot of games. The only time i don't sign up for a game is when the theme doesn't interest me, the mod hates me, or I just generally don't comprehend the theme.

Yes, inactivity is a problem in some games. That's what replacements are for, I guess.
Activity keeps games alive.
You know sometimes I wonder why we play Mafia here and not any other mass- forum games. Mafia is basically a huge forum game, that requires sign-ups before it is played. I know of other forum games that work similar to it in this regard, but it seems no one else is interested, and I wonder why. Games such as RP games. Some forums have them but this one doesn't. I think that would be cool if we started something like that. BTW, how did Mafia get its start here at CC?

[safariguy5]

I played a D&D adventure on Forum Games, it took really long and the mod quit partway through.

You're free to try that if you want, but it's quite a bit of work

[DoomYoshi]

It wouldn't surprise me if Nark's hypernegative attitude is what is causing people to submarine.

[Anarkistsdream]

It wouldn't surprise me if Nark's hypernegative attitude is what is causing people to submarine.

....

Except that my complaint is about that very fact... And they are doing it in games that I don't even bother to read, let alone play in...

[safariguy5]

It wouldn't surprise me if Nark's hypernegative attitude is what is causing people to submarine.

I've played enough games with nark to know that the recent negativity is not how he usually plays.

[DoomYoshi]

It wouldn't surprise me if Nark's hypernegative attitude is what is causing people to submarine.

I've played enough games with nark to know that the recent negativity is not how he usually plays.

Alright, I have only played 2 or 3 times with him, and I saw it both times that I remember to a certain extent. However, if this is a recent spate, I will forget any hard feelings.

[F1fth]

While I agree that AD is making this a bit personal which is really detrimental to his point, I also agree with his overall sentiment that it's somewhat selfish towards mods and other players to repeatedly join games and hardly participate. Also, like he said, it really doesn't take that much time to play mafia, it takes mostly effort.

I do understand that things happen sometimes and that a game of mafia is not top priority, which is fine, but I'm talking about the players who do this frequently and regularly. I mean, it happens at least once every game and most of time, the replacement doesn't come until the inactive gets called out for not posting for weeks at a point in the game when it's crucial to hear that person. As was said in this thread, mafia is a game for fun and it's a lot less fun for everyone when you have to wait around because someone lacked some foresight.

I made this topic a while back in light of that: viewtopic.php?f=609&t=100670&hilit=blacklist
I realize at this point a blacklist is probably not a good solution, I'm just posting the thread because it' expresses pretty much the same idea.

I don't know what a good solution is though. Talking about it helps I suppose. Arguing about it does not.