Conquer Club

Do you think the great, wondrous bigWham has actually improved the dice or do you believe he is so blatantly lying out of his shit-filled mouth like a pathetic f*ck because he's trying to con other members into believing the system is better when it isn't? I mean we already know he loves conning other people out of his money by instigating the automatic premium renewal and not informing anyone about it. It's also more expensive to buy premium for a friend than it is for yourself. So yeah, we know he's no stranger to underhand behaviour. I'm just wondering who actually thinks the dice are any better than they've ever been?

bigWham won't even post here and comment on the question anyhow. He's told me in PM that the dice have been improved since the 50k loop or whatever the f*ck it was, but he refuses to share any details as to how. Definitely sounds legit. His bullshit stinks more than riskllama on a weekend bender.

I never really thought dice would be the reason I quit this site but one day I'm pretty convinced it will be. The game is no fun when you have wins firmly locked down turn into losses against: players who sit on the border of your bonus for five rounds and don't try to break once; players who miss turns and never defend their one troop border of their bonus whilst you fail 5v1 and 8v2 over and over in attempts to break before losing the game. I'm sure we've all had games that were "sure wins" turned sour, but when it's approximately 15 games per week you know it aint right.

These are facts, my friend. I will most likely be silenced by the thought police for distributing such information amongst the masses but it should be known that rabbitWhon is a bigger con-artist than whoever the fake admin account was that was used to shut down Flame Wars. Dukasaur might appear and say that people who had a 3.50 average saw it increase to 3.51 but what does that actually prove? Nothing. What are the dice stats being controlled by? Does anyone know? They're about as legitimate as the actual dice so let's just throw it all into the bullshit bubble and pop it.

Are you really going to quit because you can't stop losing?

Your bait needs improvement.

thx 4 the shout out, caff. mmm...yeah, dice seem pretty streaky to me, as well. I always grit my teeth whenever I get a tert down to 1-2 armies with a 6 stack or better and think "what's this gonna cost me/do I have enough?". seems like if u don't get it straight away, you will suffer heavy losses. my experience, anyways...*shrugs*

excellent poll options, btw...

I know for a fact that the dice have been improved since the original file of 50k numbers that had the skewed distribution. I can't say more than that.

Metsfanmax wrote:I know for a fact that the dice have been improved since the original file of 50k numbers that had the skewed distribution. I can't say more than that.

Careful, if you don't provide photographic proof, facts, and the cooresponding mathematical thesis on how it improved certified by more than one PHD holding professor of bullshitnomics you'll get lumped in with the crazies

iAmCaffeine wrote:Do you think the great, wondrous bigWham has actually improved the dice or do you believe he is so blatantly lying out of his shit-filled mouth like a pathetic f*ck because he's trying to con other members into believing the system is better when it isn't? I mean we already know he loves conning other people out of his money by instigating the automatic premium renewal and not informing anyone about it. It's also more expensive to buy premium for a friend than it is for yourself. So yeah, we know he's no stranger to underhand behaviour. I'm just wondering who actually thinks the dice are any better than they've ever been?

bigWham won't even post here and comment on the question anyhow. He's told me in PM that the dice have been improved since the 50k loop or whatever the f*ck it was, but he refuses to share any details as to how. Definitely sounds legit. His bullshit stinks more than riskllama on a weekend bender.

I never really thought dice would be the reason I quit this site but one day I'm pretty convinced it will be. The game is no fun when you have wins firmly locked down turn into losses against: players who sit on the border of your bonus for five rounds and don't try to break once; players who miss turns and never defend their one troop border of their bonus whilst you fail 5v1 and 8v2 over and over in attempts to break before losing the game. I'm sure we've all had games that were "sure wins" turned sour, but when it's approximately 15 games per week you know it aint right.

These are facts, my friend. I will most likely be silenced by the thought police for distributing such information amongst the masses but it should be known that rabbitWhon is a bigger con-artist than whoever the fake admin account was that was used to shut down Flame Wars. Dukasaur might appear and say that people who had a 3.50 average saw it increase to 3.51 but what does that actually prove? Nothing. What are the dice stats being controlled by? Does anyone know? They're about as legitimate as the actual dice so let's just throw it all into the bullshit bubble and pop it.

It is pretty bad when I agree with iAMCaffiene here but I am thinking about quiting as well. When this site was fun, and flourished, the dice were 10 times better then they are now. I have been robbed 8 games in a row when trying to sweep, 8 fucking games. In over half of them i get to the last region with superior numbers and lose with ridiculous odds every time. Examples are 13 vs 1, 12 vs 3, 8 vs 2, 6 vs 1, 123 vs 82. I can always remember getting a bad dice streak back in the day, but now they are just retarded. I have never, not once complained about them until now. This site is dead, and will disappear unless something is done imo. So tired of knowing i cannot sweep a game because the dice will bail on me at some point in every game. The site used to be a place of fun, and I find it rather depressing anymore. Just my 2 cents.

love going 0-2 on a 5 vs. 3 during the first round a game after the opponent just had good dice.

just happened and i knew it was going to happen.


just wasted a turn and a deploy

better off not considering attacking.

IcePack wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:I know for a fact that the dice have been improved since the original file of 50k numbers that had the skewed distribution. I can't say more than that.

Careful, if you don't provide photographic proof, facts, and the cooresponding mathematical thesis on how it improved certified by more than one PHD holding professor of bullshitnomics you'll get lumped in with the crazies

You literally run around here with your head up bigWham's arse so whatever you say on a topic that is negative about CC is basically irrelevant because we know it's biased as f*ck. It's bad enough how hard I cringe at your sarcasm and attempted humour.

Metsfanmax wrote:I know for a fact that the dice have been improved since the original file of 50k numbers that had the skewed distribution. I can't say more than that.

Hm, yeah. "The dice have been improved but when you play the game you literally cannot see a difference and we can't even give a shred of data to show that what we're saying is right".

iAmCaffeine wrote:

IcePack wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:I know for a fact that the dice have been improved since the original file of 50k numbers that had the skewed distribution. I can't say more than that.

Careful, if you don't provide photographic proof, facts, and the cooresponding mathematical thesis on how it improved certified by more than one PHD holding professor of bullshitnomics you'll get lumped in with the crazies

You literally run around here with your head up bigWham's arse so whatever you say on a topic that is negative about CC is basically irrelevant because we know it's biased as f*ck. It's bad enough how hard I cringe at your sarcasm and attempted humour.

Metsfanmax wrote:I know for a fact that the dice have been improved since the original file of 50k numbers that had the skewed distribution. I can't say more than that.

Hm, yeah. "The dice have been improved but when you play the game you literally cannot see a difference and we can't even give a shred of data to show that what we're saying is right".

Hmm someone talking out of their ass uninformed who has no shred of data to show what they are saying is right, or someone who "has their head up someones ass" who actually runs the place and at least tries to inform themselves on matters before they run their dumb ass mouth.... Yep, you're right. I should totally just go with what youre saying because how could it literally be not true! OMG HOW HAVE I BEEN WRONG THIS WHOLE TIME

Whatever dude, f*ck you too.

Where's your data then? Lmao. I've had PM conversations with bigWham about the dice and he says they were improved but outright refuses to share any kind of information related as to how the algorithm or system being sourced is better than the old 50k file. What possible reason is there to withhold information that is pertinent to the integrity of the website and the game?

iAmCaffeine wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:I know for a fact that the dice have been improved since the original file of 50k numbers that had the skewed distribution. I can't say more than that.

Hm, yeah. "The dice have been improved but when you play the game you literally cannot see a difference and we can't even give a shred of data to show that what we're saying is right".

Yes, that's right, I wouldn't have expected any measurable changes in an individual game. The flaws in that original approach were real and measurable, but only over thousands of games, it was in absolute terms a fairly small effect. The correction that was made to fix it would hardly have been noticeable as you play.

That old approach (the flawed 50k file) was around well before bigWham took over the site. Certainly since before you joined CC.

iAmCaffeine wrote:Where's your data then? Lmao. I've had PM conversations with bigWham about the dice and he says they were improved but outright refuses to share any kind of information related as to how the algorithm or system being sourced is better than the old 50k file. What possible reason is there to withhold information that is pertinent to the integrity of the website and the game?

Yup cuz thats totally how this works. You ask the guy and he says he doesn't want to share, so you try to shake down others for the same info.
IDK about you, but I learnt that lesson as a child. Dont ask Dad for something and then when I get told no, run asking Mom isn't going to get you the answer you want.
No means no, brah

Metsfanmax wrote:

iAmCaffeine wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:I know for a fact that the dice have been improved since the original file of 50k numbers that had the skewed distribution. I can't say more than that.

Hm, yeah. "The dice have been improved but when you play the game you literally cannot see a difference and we can't even give a shred of data to show that what we're saying is right".

Yes, that's right, I wouldn't have expected any measurable changes in an individual game. The flaws in that original approach were real and measurable, but only over thousands of games, it was in absolute terms a fairly small effect. The correction that was made to fix it would hardly have been noticeable as you play.

That old approach (the flawed 50k file) was around well before bigWham took over the site. Certainly since before you joined CC.

OMG how dare you suggest that changes were made without full details published to Caffeine!

iAmCaffeine wrote:Where's your data then? Lmao. I've had PM conversations with bigWham about the dice and he says they were improved but outright refuses to share any kind of information related as to how the algorithm or system being sourced is better than the old 50k file. What possible reason is there to withhold information that is pertinent to the integrity of the website and the game?

His reasoning is that regardless of what the dice algorithm is, people will complain about it. People complained about the dice since the dawn of time, back when we were purchasing random.org data. Publishing the strategy won't stop any criticism, but will likely invite additional criticism because it is not a perfect system. That criticism will not make much sense because the differences are probably indistinguishable to the average player.

Metsfanmax wrote:

iAmCaffeine wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:I know for a fact that the dice have been improved since the original file of 50k numbers that had the skewed distribution. I can't say more than that.

Hm, yeah. "The dice have been improved but when you play the game you literally cannot see a difference and we can't even give a shred of data to show that what we're saying is right".

Yes, that's right, I wouldn't have expected any measurable changes in an individual game. The flaws in that original approach were real and measurable, but only over thousands of games, it was in absolute terms a fairly small effect. The correction that was made to fix it would hardly have been noticeable as you play.

That old approach (the flawed 50k file) was around well before bigWham took over the site. Certainly since before you joined CC.

Are you deliberately not interpreting what I said correctly? I was obviously referencing the game as a whole hence "the game" and not "a game". You may say I wasn't here during the use of the 50k file but from speaking to other players, moderators and bigWham, I have no reason to believe it's not still in use.

Metsfanmax wrote:

iAmCaffeine wrote:Where's your data then? Lmao. I've had PM conversations with bigWham about the dice and he says they were improved but outright refuses to share any kind of information related as to how the algorithm or system being sourced is better than the old 50k file. What possible reason is there to withhold information that is pertinent to the integrity of the website and the game?

His reasoning is that regardless of what the dice algorithm is, people will complain about it. People complained about the dice since the dawn of time, back when we were purchasing random.org data. Publishing the strategy won't stop any criticism, but will likely invite additional criticism because it is not a perfect system. That criticism will not make much sense because the differences are probably indistinguishable to the average player.

That reasoning is just as narrow minded as the people who will complain about the dice no matter what. There are people who never reach above Sergeant, roll 3v3 constantly and then cry about how terribly unfair the dice are. However, there are those of us that play many games at a time and have played many games during our time here and we don't care all too much if one or two rolls go wrong. It's when the bullshit is repetitive and clearly improper that we raise questions.

IcePack wrote:Yup cuz thats totally how this works. You ask the guy and he says he doesn't want to share, so you try to shake down others for the same info.
IDK about you, but I learnt that lesson as a child. Dont ask Dad for something and then when I get told no, run asking Mom isn't going to get you the answer you want.
No means no, brah

I didn't think you were this stupid. I'm not shaking anyone down, I'm having a bit of fun and also getting the opinion of other players such as Great Ollie who seems to agree with me, has more experience than me and we openly dislike each other. My question of "where's your data?" was rhetorical since I knew none was forthcoming. It's also only in response to people who have actually said they have data and refused to share it, seemingly because they're not allowed to e.g. Mets, which just leads me back to the question I've already asked.

Neither Ice (obviously) or Mets has answered my question:

iAmCaffeine wrote:What possible reason is there to withhold information that is pertinent to the integrity of the website and the game?

On a side note to the dice. What happened with the auto renewal. I noticed it happened this year and I was pretty sure I never agreed to that. Also I have had horribly bad dice runs that have cost me games I shouldn't have lost.

iAmCaffeine wrote:Do you think the great, wondrous bigWham has actually improved the dice or do you believe he is so blatantly lying out of his shit-filled mouth like a pathetic f*ck because he's trying to con other members into believing the system is better when it isn't?

How do you mean that bigWham can improve the dice... The dice can not be improved, its correct or wrong.

iAmCaffeine wrote:Dukasaur might appear and say that people who had a 3.50 average saw it increase to 3.51 but what does that actually prove? Nothing. What are the dice stats being controlled by? Does anyone know? They're about as legitimate as the actual dice so let's just throw it all into the bullshit bubble and pop it.

Dice Distribution doesn't matter. You can defeat any enemy with 2 as long as he has 1 if you attack and 1 is enough for defense if the enemy has also 1. And your Average will probably be around 1.5. And if you attack why cares what you have if the enemy has double 6.
Battle Outcomes is different story. It represents the whole picture although as I pointed out multiple times so far its not actual picture of what is happening(10 victories in a row have the same percentage as 1). I'm totally aware that percentages are noncumulative but we would have much better overview of the dice if once per day(the process demands a lot of resources since every battle needs to be recalculated over and over) we received our actual win percentage. I don't think I explained this properly but its best I can do. If someone is mathematician and English is his native language plz explain what Im trying to write.

Great-Ollie wrote:It is pretty bad when I agree with iAMCaffiene here but I am thinking about quiting as well. When this site was fun, and flourished, the dice were 10 times better then they are now.

From the stats that matter I'm still @-1% in 3v1 in my Assaults. Its been like that for very long time.
My points are growing at steady rate for the last year I believe, and I haven't noticed anything different in the dice. I should also admit that I'm not looking at the stats(battle outcomes) as I was previously(I haven't looked at them for over a month). Maybe that is helping me to concentrate on the games instead on the stats and as a result I have competitive advantage over my opponents and my points steadily grow.

Who knows maybe what Im doing atm can help you two.

G0rgatr0n wrote:On a side note to the dice. What happened with the auto renewal. I noticed it happened this year and I was pretty sure I never agreed to that. Also I have had horribly bad dice runs that have cost me games I shouldn't have lost.

Go to store > account or something like that and you can opt out of the automatic renewal. There was never an official announcement about it. Real cool.

GoranZ wrote:How do you mean that bigWham can improve the dice... The dice can not be improved, its correct or wrong.

It was bigWham himself that said the new algorithm was an improvement.

GoranZ wrote:Battle Outcomes is different story. It represents the whole picture although as I pointed out multiple times so far its not actual picture of what is happening(10 victories in a row have the same percentage as 1). I'm totally aware that percentages are noncumulative but we would have much better overview of the dice if once per day(the process demands a lot of resources since every battle needs to be recalculated over and over) we received our actual win percentage. I don't think I explained this properly but its best I can do. If someone is mathematician and English is his native language plz explain what Im trying to write.

Is battle outcomes used to record rolls that have happened or give the probability that will happen?

GoranZ wrote:From the stats that matter I'm still @-1% in 3v1 in my Assaults. Its been like that for very long time.
My points are growing at steady rate for the last year I believe, and I haven't noticed anything different in the dice. I should also admit that I'm not looking at the stats(battle outcomes) as I was previously(I haven't looked at them for over a month). Maybe that is helping me to concentrate on the games instead on the stats and as a result I have competitive advantage over my opponents and my points steadily grow.

Who knows maybe what Im doing atm can help you two.

I barely ever check my stats but I play enough games to see what is happening and wouldn't say I see a steady rate of point increase because that's not my main objective.

iAmCaffeine wrote:Are you deliberately not interpreting what I said correctly? I was obviously referencing the game as a whole hence "the game" and not "a game". You may say I wasn't here during the use of the 50k file but from speaking to other players, moderators and bigWham, I have no reason to believe it's not still in use.

OK. Your opinion is duly noted.

caff wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:His reasoning is that regardless of what the dice algorithm is, people will complain about it. People complained about the dice since the dawn of time, back when we were purchasing random.org data. Publishing the strategy won't stop any criticism, but will likely invite additional criticism because it is not a perfect system. That criticism will not make much sense because the differences are probably indistinguishable to the average player.

That reasoning is just as narrow minded as the people who will complain about the dice no matter what. There are people who never reach above Sergeant, roll 3v3 constantly and then cry about how terribly unfair the dice are. However, there are those of us that play many games at a time and have played many games during our time here and we don't care all too much if one or two rolls go wrong. It's when the bullshit is repetitive and clearly improper that we raise questions.

There has been a long list of high ranking players making up spurious accusations about the dice just as there has been a long list of low ranking players. You may feel that your accusations are less spurious than the others, but they do not appear to be, as your complaints appear to be as much about your intuition as everyone else's (cf. "I barely ever check my stats"). If you expect to effect change you need to provide actual data. That's what degaston and others did in revealing the flaw in the old dice file, and that actually worked.

Neither Ice (obviously) or Mets has answered my question:

iAmCaffeine wrote:What possible reason is there to withhold information that is pertinent to the integrity of the website and the game?

I just did answer your question. You may not like it or disagree with it, but that's not the same as accusing me of having failed to answer the question.

iAmCaffeine wrote:

G0rgatr0n wrote:On a side note to the dice. What happened with the auto renewal. I noticed it happened this year and I was pretty sure I never agreed to that. Also I have had horribly bad dice runs that have cost me games I shouldn't have lost.

Go to store > account or something like that and you can opt out of the automatic renewal. There was never an official announcement about it. Real cool.

Wrong again caffeine boy, I know because I wrote the damn thing. Another uneducated response. Announced in 2014 with the store.

viewtopic.php?f=634&t=207470

GoranZ wrote:How do you mean that bigWham can improve the dice... The dice can not be improved, its correct or wrong.

The situation is more complicated than that. There's a wide range of approaches to generating random numbers. Some approaches (like random.org) use actual randomness in the environment to seed their random numbers; most approaches use what's called pseudo-random number generation, where a known mathematical formula is used to generate the random numbers, but the resulting numbers are so close to random as to be effectively indistinguishable for many or most purposes. The quality of the pseudo-random number generation can vary greatly from simple methods to more complex methods.

Metsfanmax wrote:There has been a long list of high ranking players making up spurious accusations about the dice just as there has been a long list of low ranking players. You may feel that your accusations are less spurious than the others, but they do not appear to be, as your complaints appear to be as much about your intuition as everyone else's (cf. "I barely ever check my stats"). If you expect to effect change you need to provide actual data. That's what degaston and others did in revealing the flaw in the old dice file, and that actually worked.

I haven't asked for change because we're nowhere close to being able to get any. I'm simply asking for some kind of data or information to show that the dice have "improved" since the 50k file. Why is that information not provided? It has negative effects on the integrity of the site.

Indeed, I rarely check my stats because I can see the rolls happening in front of me, the cards too. For example, I have had some very lucky three card sets in escalating games recently. In general people remember the bad more than the good but I believe I tend to remember both if they're significant enough. I've already given reason in this thread as to why the statistics provided are not reliable.

Neither Ice (obviously) or Mets has answered my question:

iAmCaffeine wrote:What possible reason is there to withhold information that is pertinent to the integrity of the website and the game?

I just did answer your question. You may not like it or disagree with it, but that's not the same as accusing me of having failed to answer the question.[/quote]
Where did you answer my question? I haven't seen a reason for withholding the information.

IcePack wrote:

iAmCaffeine wrote:

G0rgatr0n wrote:On a side note to the dice. What happened with the auto renewal. I noticed it happened this year and I was pretty sure I never agreed to that. Also I have had horribly bad dice runs that have cost me games I shouldn't have lost.

Go to store > account or something like that and you can opt out of the automatic renewal. There was never an official announcement about it. Real cool.

Wrong again caffeine boy, I know because I wrote the damn thing. Another uneducated response. Announced in 2014 with the store.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 4&t=207470

Hey dipshit, I wasn't wrong. Your announcement states that players can buy auto-renewing subscriptions with their money. It does not at any point state that existing premium memberships will also automatically renew. Furthermore, there was no email or PM sent out so you basically gave an announcement for the small minority who visit the forums. Nice work. Do yourself a favour and stop posting.

iAmCaffeine wrote:

IcePack wrote:

iAmCaffeine wrote:

G0rgatr0n wrote:On a side note to the dice. What happened with the auto renewal. I noticed it happened this year and I was pretty sure I never agreed to that. Also I have had horribly bad dice runs that have cost me games I shouldn't have lost.

Go to store > account or something like that and you can opt out of the automatic renewal. There was never an official announcement about it. Real cool.

Wrong again caffeine boy, I know because I wrote the damn thing. Another uneducated response. Announced in 2014 with the store.

viewtopic.php?f=634&t=207470

Hey dipshit, I wasn't wrong. Your announcement states that players can buy auto-renewing subscriptions with their money. It does not at any point state that existing premium memberships will also automatically renew. Furthermore, there was no email or PM sent out so you basically gave an announcement for the small minority who visit the forums. Nice work. Do yourself a favour and stop posting.

You said "there was never an official announcement about it". Yes, there was. I just linked it. Existing premium memberships did not auto renew upon that announcement. It occurred when people went through the new store to buy their subscriptions, not existing memberships prior to the store. Stop making shit up.

Your little rant said nothing about email or PM, you said announcement. Stop moving the goal post when you are wrong and trying to change what you said. There was an announcement. You were wrong. Suck it up cup cake

Yes please continue to take what I say out of its context and into one where you can try and make your argument sound coherent. I might disagree on some things with Mets but at least he knows what he's talking about and doesn't appear to have his head stuck up a rabbit conqueror. Hop off and stop being so pathetic as to blindly disagree with everything I say.