Conquer Club

CC recently banned use of the nnnnnnnnaughty word in the forums and advised me against using it on people's walls as well. Okay, whatever, I don't really feel any burning need to say it all the time, so I don't mind just saying something else instead.

However, I was under the impression that a 1v1 non-tourney game was a private affair. I perfectly reasonably believed that my game with llama was only being observed by myself and llama. He is someone I am a member of PL with, I play team games with and who I get on with pretty well. He is also one of the biggest (jokey) trash talkers I know on this site, so I (correctly) believed he would not care about me saying anything fruity. He has said that he did not want me to be banned for that game chat.

Why was a third party who had no involvement in the game able to successfully press for a ban regarding the game chat of a game that had nothing to do with them, and which neither of the game's players were concerned about? Does that mean that any time I am playing a game with people I regularly interact with on the forums, none of us are allowed to cuss, make obscure threats or generally trash talk and/or horse around, because if someone unrelated to the game stalks our activity, digs up the game and reports us, we will get banned?

Yeah, even tho it's a private game your game chat in any game is subject to the rules. If it's offensive and fall under the guidelines of forbidden activities it is something that can get posted in C&A regardless of the feelings of the two parties in the game.
Even tho it's a private game, it's all public chat

Guidelines say that 'while you might find some game chat disagreeable, uncouth, and boorish, cursing and using foul language may not be a breach of our Guidelines.' As stated in my OP, I was not attempting to troll or annoy llama and he did not take anything I said badly.

Are you saying that Guidelines are inaccurate in claiming that game chat is somehow different from the forums, and that we have to treat game chat in the same way we would any public forum thread? Or is CC prepared to concede that a 1v1 game is a private affair, that no third party has any real business stalking it, and that if they don't like what they see in that game chat then it is down to them to close the game and not look at it?

I understand your point, but it isn't private and the chat is public. Those same guidelines you quote also tell people to report any issues they see in a game chat that are offensive:

That said, what is not allowed is any form of bigotry, cyber-bullying/harassment or those extremes outlined in the Forum Guidelines. Please report any such comments that you find offensive

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The paragraph you referenced is essentially in regards to things other than bigotry, like cussing, trash talk, etc

IcePack wrote:I understand your point, but it isn't private and the chat is public. Those same guidelines you quote also tell people to report any issues they see in a game chat that are offensive:

That said, what is not allowed is any form of bigotry, cyber-bullying/harassment or those extremes outlined in the Forum Guidelines. Please report any such comments that you find offensive

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The paragraph you referenced is essentially in regards to things other than bigotry, like cussing, trash talk, etc

I haven't seen anything specifying exactly what the grounds for my ban were but I wasn't being a bigot and wasn't punished under bigotry guidelines.

In any case hopefully my suggestion for private game chats can be moved forward swiftly and then none of this will matter.

The Owentry Guidelines are clear, mrswdk.

Don't see why there has to be any further point of contention?

Huh, how about making game chat private as an option?

It would be the same as team chat, only the people involved could read it. I don't need it so I'm not going to make the thread in suggestions to languish for years until it gets implemented if ever.

mrswdk wrote:However, I was under the impression that a 1v1 non-tourney game was a private affair.

you were under the wrong impression. that chat is visible and others have been banned for the same offense in the same way as you have been. there is even a feature used to "watch" games, which you are not in (it is that top of your tabs in the Central Command. i believe the posting in the forum, before your ban clearly outlined the rule. you literally do not have an argument in this. if you would like the rule changed, go to suggestions and start from scratch, like we did to create the bigotry guidelines.

Subject: EDIT 6 Oct 16: The "N" word and variants

TeeGee wrote:Not entering into any debates, and unless instructed differently from the site owner the following will come into effect immediately

The "N" word and any and ALL variations on spelling and pronunciation will be considered to be a racist remark and will be dealt with under the current guidelines for bigotry and racism.

Edit: Context is to be considered. However, using it to call someone or a group of people a name, even if as a joke is not acceptable.
It has been mentioned to me that the word is used in many song lyrics, most sung by those who are most offended by the word, when they mention it, it is not racist or bigoted.

Fair play

If you think it may be considered bigoted or racist, then please do not use it, find another word or better still do not post that sentence

Thank you

i do not understand why you do not understand this and why you, as a non black person, are attempting to have any sort of debate about this. good luck in your pursuit of changing the word you used from a very offensive and universally deemed racist word, to one of acceptance that is allowed for all to use freely. oddly enough a prominent League of Legends user was just suspended for a racist username: http://www.dailydot.com/esports/svenskeren-banned-racist-username-sk-gaming/

the word is offensive, your defense that the community that is offended by it uses it, has not worked in the past 30 years (sorry... using it in front of the wrong person will get you knocked the F out in just about every corner of the globe)... this is a privately owned site that has set the rules. if you do not like the rules, go post in suggestions to have them changed or leave the site.

please stop defending your actions, they were/are deplorable. the fact that a grown man can not understand, when it has been clearly explained to him, that he can't use a word within the forums or on the site, simply blows my mind.-Bj

Good luck in your battle!!!

2dimes wrote:Huh, how about making game chat private as an option?

It would be the same as team chat, only the people involved could read it. I don't need it so I'm not going to make the thread in suggestions to languish for years until it gets implemented if ever.

Show some love in the Suggestions thread then:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=220216

(^3^)

IcePack wrote:I understand your point, but it isn't private and the chat is public. Those same guidelines you quote also tell people to report any issues they see in a game chat that are offensive:

That said, what is not allowed is any form of bigotry, cyber-bullying/harassment or those extremes outlined in the Forum Guidelines. Please report any such comments that you find offensive

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The paragraph you referenced is essentially in regards to things other than bigotry, like cussing, trash talk, etc

great answer, only one problem... i don't think he is looking for clarification or any sort of actual understanding of the rule. it was all clearly explained to him before his final action that forced team CC's hand... good luck with this one, there seems to be a very serious disconnect in understanding why this is racist and will not be changed...-Bj

Owen, would you consider this to be racist behavior?-0

owenshooter wrote:i don't think so!!! and wiggers don't count!!! YES, happy2seeyou, I AM LOOKING AT YOU!!! YOU DO NOT COUNT!!! white girls in michigan that
listen to eminem and pour 40's on their pool table for their homies that
get speeding tickets, are not black. deal with it.-0

owenshooter wrote:i've poured a 40 on that wigger arse.-0

Also, should this be seen as bigotry?-0

owenshooter wrote:DiM, that means a lot coming from a "flaming lesbian faggot from hell". HA!! i personally think you should get that made into a CC shirt as soon as you can!-0

turn me into C&A... Good luck... all posted well before the bigotry guidelines... and none of those players are active (happy has popped in to say hello, but has not played a game in about 3- years)... good luck with this!!!-Bj

King_Herpes wrote:Owen, would you consider this to be racist behavior?-0

owenshooter wrote:i don't think so!!! and wiggers don't count!!! YES, happy2seeyou, I AM LOOKING AT YOU!!! YOU DO NOT COUNT!!! white girls in michigan that
listen to eminem and pour 40's on their pool table for their homies that
get speeding tickets, are not black. deal with it.-0

owenshooter wrote:i've poured a 40 on that wigger arse.-0

Also, should this be seen as bigotry?-0

owenshooter wrote:DiM, that means a lot coming from a "flaming lesbian faggot from hell". HA!! i personally think you should get that made into a CC shirt as soon as you can!-0

owenshooter wrote:turn me into C&A... Good luck... all posted well before the bigotry guidelines... and none of those players are active (happy has popped in to say hello, but has not played a game in about 3- years)... good luck with this!!!-Bj

More excuses, just as I suspected. Spare me your indignant routine. I asked you very specific questions, Owen and made no threats of turning you into C&A. I'm well aware of the time frame in which they were posted and when the owentry guidelines were put in place. I was there if you recall admiring from afar.

Can you persuade logic and answer my questions in a way that averts you from hubris or are you content with being branded a hypocrite?

not seeing the C&A thread. and those were before the guidelines, would have been nice to have the links to the threads attached, so people could view those dates as they pleased. i assume they will be included within the C&A thread... good luck!!-Bj

King_Herpes wrote:

owenshooter wrote:turn me into C&A... Good luck... all posted well before the bigotry guidelines... and none of those players are active (happy has popped in to say hello, but has not played a game in about 3- years)... good luck with this!!!-Bj

More excuses, just as I suspected. Spare me your indignant routine. I asked you very specific questions, Owen and made no threats of turning you into C&A. I'm well aware of the time frame in which they were posted and when the owentry guidelines were put in place. I was there if you recall admiring from afar.

Can you persuade logic and answer my questions in a way that averts you from hubris or are you content with being branded a hypocrite?

owenshooter wrote:not seeing the C&A thread. and those were before the guidelines, would have been nice to have the links to the threads attached, so people could view those dates as they pleased. i assume they will be included within the C&A thread... good luck!!-Bj

But there were links, Owen. I know you're flustered but check again.

Still no personal position on my questions? You seem quite invested in other member's acts of bigotry I figured you'd show some regret. You know, like a non-hypocrite would do?

What's the matter, Owen? Cat got your tongue?

Not even a YouTube to help support these exemptions of your previous racist behaviors at bare minimum?

Could also question this contribution owen made to the guess who's next thread:

owenshooter wrote:nope!!

Honky ...-Jésus noir

What led owen to predict that a long gone player with no record of ever posting in the forums might post in that thread? Perish the thought he scoured CC for members whose usernames were racial slurs so that he could get some trolling mileage out of them!

mrwdk wrote:Could also question this contribution owen made to the guess who's next thread:

owenshooter wrote:nope!!

Honky ...-Jésus noir

What led owen to predict that a long gone player with no record of ever posting in the forums might post in that thread? Perish the thought he scoured CC for members whose usernames were racial slurs so that he could get some trolling mileage out of them!

sooo, posting a username is now racist? again, please put this into C&A vs. this weak attempt at baiting. you said the most vile and disgusting racist slur there is on the planet. sorry, no escaping it. now you are comparing what you did to my posting a username in a forum game? ok... good luck with this. now you are beating a dead horse and clearly unable to grasp the black darkness in your soul that is racism... the black jesus has reported you for baiting and beating a dead horse. put me in C&A and let the mods/admins decide. the decision against your actions was swift and just, i have not violated a rule. have a great day trolling.-Bj

p.s.-in case anyone wants to know what this is really about: Subject: mrswdk/ EXCESSIVE RACISM [ka]

owenshooter wrote:

mrwdk wrote:Could also question this contribution owen made to the guess who's next thread:

owenshooter wrote:nope!!

Honky ...-Jésus noir

What led owen to predict that a long gone player with no record of ever posting in the forums might post in that thread? Perish the thought he scoured CC for members whose usernames were racial slurs so that he could get some trolling mileage out of them!

sooo, posting a username is now racist? again, please put this into C&A vs. this weak attempt at baiting. you said the most vile and disgusting racist slur there is on the planet. sorry, no escaping it. now you are comparing what you did to my posting a username in a forum game? ok... good luck with this. now you are beating a dead horse and clearly unable to grasp the black darkness in your soul that is racism... the black jesus has reported you for baiting and beating a dead horse. put me in C&A and let the mods/admins decide. the decision against your actions was swift and just, i have not violated a rule. have a great day trolling.-Bj

p.s.-in case anyone wants to know what this is really about: Subject: mrswdk/ EXCESSIVE RACISM [ka]

saying "owenshooter" is worse than any slur; because it refers to a single person who is more wretched than all the races on earth and more revolting than all the demons of Hell

As it stands, borrowing your own logic here, it is not considered to be racist or bigoted if messaged prior to the Owentry Guidelines.

Well then what do you have to say about this derogatory term often associated as a racial slur against Whites that you posted just last year? Some people may not appreciate that and find that to be equally as offensive dontchaknow.

owenshooter wrote:oh look, the little hillbilly from Tennessee is flaming me again in the forums... wishing death upon someone is not really that amusing... talk to the kid that issued death threats to 3 members of CC and was visited by the canadian mounties... seriously, your repressed homosexual feelings for me are becoming an issue for you... deal with them, hillbilly, before i begin a campaign to get you banned for your repeated harassment and flaming of me in the forums. you are a child that really needs to find something better to do than obsess about me and dream about being taken by me on your wedding night... it isn't going to happen...

and yes, there was a very small group of us that brought those changes about to CC and were never even thanked... if i recall, andy turned right around and banned me for a good 6 months using the very guidelines i had helped to create, simply by being called the "N" word by another user in the forums. now, i will admit that andy gave us the rope-a-dope by suddenly taking our increasing scale and applying it to ALL infractions in the forums, just not for cheaters in the game (still doesn't make sense)... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

p.s.-your dream not going to happen, lil' stephan...

Admit it, Owen. You are no better and this is'nt all there is from you that can be considered as such. I also don't want to see you put into C&A. I only want you to see yourself in the mirror and be honest with us.

King_Herpes wrote:

ohhhh... yes... i see... again, *yawn*, take it to C&A...-Bj

TeeGee wrote:C&A is not the place for this discussion.. If you wish to discuss this matter please start a thread in GD

We were told specifically by a moderator to carry out the discussion here, Owen. I'm not baiting you. I want to know your opinion on these things that you've messaged thoughout the years and if you consider them to be racist yourself?

King_Herpes wrote:

TeeGee wrote:C&A is not the place for this discussion.. If you wish to discuss this matter please start a thread in GD

We were told specifically by a moderator to carry out the discussion here, Owen. I'm not baiting you. I want to know your opinion on these things that you've messaged thoughout the years and if you consider them to be racist yourself?

no, what you are doing is accusing me of violating the bigotry guidlines like Mrwdk did. so, if you believe i did, as you are both stating, put me into C&A. we both know you won't, because the allegations are meritless... of note, if we are pulling up old posts, here is one that is much more recent and from well after the bigotry guidelines were posted... many would consider a british man pretending to be a chinese woman, posting this, as xenophobic:

Subject: Polymorphic victories medal

mrswdk wrote:Englis not my first language, why you so races

see how i included the link so people can go and view it within its context and see the time stamps, etc? that is how you pull up old stuff and make it stick. nice xeno comment, Mrwdk. now, onto your last post, King H:

King_Herpes wrote:

yes, yes... all valid points... still eagerly awaiting the C&A thread concerning my actions from years ago... it will be closed almost as fast
as this one was, but i don't think the result will be as negative for me as it was for him:

Subject: mrswdk/ EXCESSIVE RACISM [ka]

have a great afternoon!!! keep practicing, you are really coming along!!!! the black jesus is oh so impressed!!-Bj

p.s.- that is a cool old navy t!!! do you put those in your Chicken Nuggets King Jr™ Meals?!!!

owenshooter wrote:no, what you are doing is accusing me of violating the bigotry guidlines

False (I think). He's accusing you of bigotry in general, regardless of when the site decided to make it a punishable offence. Bigotry did not come into existence at that point, it existed well before. So you are correct, you cannot be punished for it here or elsewhere. That does not mean you did not make a bigoted statement (and I'm not saying you did, I can't be bothered to read the posts you made ages ago to see their context).

Butters1919 wrote:

owenshooter wrote:no, what you are doing is accusing me of violating the bigotry guidlines

False (I think). He's accusing you of bigotry in general, regardless of when the site decided to make it a punishable offence. Bigotry did not come into existence at that point, it existed well before. So you are correct, you cannot be punished for it here or elsewhere. That does not mean you did not make a bigoted statement (and I'm not saying you did, I can't be bothered to read the posts you made ages ago to see their context).

no, by posting years old posts out of context and without links to look at them and verify their authenticity, he is accusing me of a violation as the OP was found guilty of. the accusation is one that can be settled in C&A as the one against Mrwdk was settled. he can proceed as i have requested or he can just continue to bait me, unsuccessfully within this thread. there is a game afoot, and i am well ahead of the hounds...-Bj