Conquer Club

Jun 27, 2014 7:46 am
The Championships

That was the start date for the last CC Championships tourneys.
Does the next on commence this June?

Hmm. Not sure. I've been away for the last couple of years. Is it listed in tournaments? If I find out I'll post here.

Cheers.

Ideally once they've fixed the issues.

iAmCaffeine wrote:Ideally once they've fixed the issues.

That's partly why I am asking ^^^
They said every 2 years in a post.....so that would be this July

Don't know. It will happen when it happens, I guess.

There's a lot of work that goes into it, and there are fewer and fewer volunteers all the time. There's only so much that can be done with the very limited pool of tournament organisers that we have now.

My hope was that we would see a merging of the Championship Series and the TPA, so that instead of two competing top-drawer tournament series we would have one integrated series. But that requires someone having the time to conceptualize exactly how many tournaments are needed, of what size and composition, and then recruiting oraganiser to run them.

So, bottom line: a big "dunno."

you will need exactly 4 tournaments, duk. no more, no less.

Its of my opinion ( and there are others who agree) The Championships
should be exactly that...... The Granddaddy of them all.



Besides that there are usually so few tourneys to play besides one vs one =/
^ totally different point

Some championships are not even finished yet. I think we should wait until they are all finished before starting the next round.

Dukasaur wrote:My hope was that we would see a merging of the Championship Series and the TPA, so that instead of two competing top-drawer tournament series we would have one integrated series.

I started to work some ideas about having this kind of "substitute" top notch tournament that have the best of the best at the end...it may take several months to have it together.

For sure it will definately have 5 separate tournaments that would be "Dubs, Triples, Quads, 1v1 & Poly" nothing else, 5 game type that are the most popular and the most played.

Like you said the main concern is having volunteer to help running those since i believe the auto-tournament feature doesn't allow enough freedom other than launching/creating games with random settings (settings should be the same from day 1 and until the final game).

Such as No spoils, chained, foggy for all team games and escalating, chained, foggy for the 2 other type (Poly & 1v1). Using Random map would be still the best option and having no trench mode at all to have the tournament running quicker. Round limit to be set for all type as well. Intent is to have the Championship/TPA version runing for 12 months instead of the current 2 years that it takes so far.

Prizes to be credits and dedicated trophy, no Stars (stars being only an entry ticket for such auto-tournament and doesn't have other value), credits should worth at least a year of Premium for each winner.

The biggest part would be to create and advertise good enough Satellite tournaments (that will allow entry to the main tournament only, no other prize), maybe goal is qualifying approx 128 players for each?

32 Quads
32 Triples
64 Dubs
128 Poly
128 1v1

Format to be various but maybe double round robin to have everyone playing each other twice or single round robin with best of 3 match (increasing it for 1/4 final, 1/2 final & Final).

Those are just ideas, the actual format seeing different random round with 3 players game then 10 player games, then other round start with kind of same format doesn't make sense to me, current format shows only a way to create tons of game and not necessarly seeing player/team playing all other player/team.

I started to work it after Christmas seeing the degradation of the TPA season that is not at the level it should be and seeing more now various tournament that is not playing at the high level like TPA should be (i include myself since I have to come up with one at some point as a last minute help) despite lots of effort from TO that are stepping into the arena and help maintaining the TPA season alive with good tournament format.

......That was my 2 cent

Hopefully more to come later this year (as long as my Rio commitment allows me to move to something else).

Mad777 wrote:
For sure it will definately have 5 separate tournaments that would be "Dubs, Triples, Quads, 1v1 & Poly" nothing else, 5 game type that are the most popular and the most played.

There's no way I would support that.

Other than 1v1, there's nothing there for most players. All that team shit is for the 5% of the members that already get plenty of it in clans, and Poly is basically just team shit without the team.

The games that most people enjoy are 6-player Standard and 6-player Terminator. There's no way you can do a series representative of the site without those. Should probably require an Assassin component; although it's not nearly as popular as the Standards and Terminators it's still a major part of the site. Quite honestly, I would do a large-game (10, 11, and 12 p) component. The Conquest tourney in the last round of Championships was one of the most popular, because the Conquest maps are a world unto themselves and have a huge and loyal following. I would not cut that one, either.

If anything, we already have the Conqueror's Cup on the clan side that tells us who are the best team players. The tourney side needs to emphasize non-team games more.

The CC Championships dont start till I walk in.

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:The CC Championships dont start till I walk in.

the CC Championships aren't over until Wicked sings!!-Bj

Dukasaur wrote:

Mad777 wrote:
For sure it will definately have 5 separate tournaments that would be "Dubs, Triples, Quads, 1v1 & Poly" nothing else, 5 game type that are the most popular and the most played.

There's no way I would support that.

Other than 1v1, there's nothing there for most players. All that team shit is for the 5% of the members that already get plenty of it in clans, and Poly is basically just team shit without the team.

The games that most people enjoy are 6-player Standard and 6-player Terminator. There's no way you can do a series representative of the site without those. Should probably require an Assassin component; although it's not nearly as popular as the Standards and Terminators it's still a major part of the site. Quite honestly, I would do a large-game (10, 11, and 12 p) component. The Conquest tourney in the last round of Championships was one of the most popular, because the Conquest maps are a world unto themselves and have a huge and loyal following. I would not cut that one, either.

If anything, we already have the Conqueror's Cup on the clan side that tells us who are the best team players. The tourney side needs to emphasize non-team games more.

Fair point

I think I have to concur with the team answer you gave me if I take your way to think, I said those are popular because I did count the clan activities that are like you said the main area where those type of game are played.

So if we strickly take into account the tournament side then yes, let's focus on 1v1, Standard (xp), Terminator (xp) Championship/TPA class tournament, not sure about assassin to be honest even do I think it is a nice game type but maybe not to the level of doing a Championship.

About the Conquest Tournament, I'm not that good playing those so therefore I can't really judge this side of the play and will refer to those are well immerge into it...I thought with the Great War that is based on a five years format that those type of map/tournament would be cover (same argument you had with the team game that are mainly a clan type gaming).

Overall if we can come up with 4 solid event that will replace both TPA & Championship and last no longer than a year then we can only hope that this will help maintaining a certain activity on the tournament side, quiet honestly i don't know how the TPA season will survive another year...Being well deep into the TPA I have to say that is getting difficult to have it at the Level where it suppose to be, I've trying everything I could on my time to bring it up but not many success yet, I'm just so happy that we have few TO that still believe on it and help us out getting the season moving but I can see player/TO getting tired of maintaining a project just barely above the water and still not seeing enough engagement/attraction from the community.

Like I said I/we can work on something for the next season that will cover the TPA & Championship in one event. Before joining the TD group I decided to pretty much stepping out of playing games (except with my clan) since I wanted to maximise my own time to the tournament world of CC as a TD.

Let's work offline if you want this coming week/month and see what we can do?

Mad777 wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:My hope was that we would see a merging of the Championship Series and the TPA, so that instead of two competing top-drawer tournament series we would have one integrated series.

I started to work some ideas about having this kind of "substitute" top notch tournament that have the best of the best at the end...it may take several months to have it together.

For sure it will definately have 5 separate tournaments that would be "Dubs, Triples, Quads, 1v1 & Poly" nothing else, 5 game type that are the most popular and the most played.

Like you said the main concern is having volunteer to help running those since i believe the auto-tournament feature doesn't allow enough freedom other than launching/creating games with random settings (settings should be the same from day 1 and until the final game).

Such as No spoils, chained, foggy for all team games and escalating, chained, foggy for the 2 other type (Poly & 1v1). Using Random map would be still the best option and having no trench mode at all to have the tournament running quicker. Round limit to be set for all type as well. Intent is to have the Championship/TPA version runing for 12 months instead of the current 2 years that it takes so far.

Prizes to be credits and dedicated trophy, no Stars (stars being only an entry ticket for such auto-tournament and doesn't have other value), credits should worth at least a year of Premium for each winner.

The biggest part would be to create and advertise good enough Satellite tournaments (that will allow entry to the main tournament only, no other prize), maybe goal is qualifying approx 128 players for each?

32 Quads
32 Triples
64 Dubs
128 Poly
128 1v1

Format to be various but maybe double round robin to have everyone playing each other twice or single round robin with best of 3 match (increasing it for 1/4 final, 1/2 final & Final).

Those are just ideas, the actual format seeing different random round with 3 players game then 10 player games, then other round start with kind of same format doesn't make sense to me, current format shows only a way to create tons of game and not necessarly seeing player/team playing all other player/team.

I started to work it after Christmas seeing the degradation of the TPA season that is not at the level it should be and seeing more now various tournament that is not playing at the high level like TPA should be (i include myself since I have to come up with one at some point as a last minute help) despite lots of effort from TO that are stepping into the arena and help maintaining the TPA season alive with good tournament format.

......That was my 2 cent

Hopefully more to come later this year (as long as my Rio commitment allows me to move to something else).

I wish I had time to volunteer but I don't.

A couple of things to continue on topic............

1st

"The Championships" shouldn't be looked at as a substitute for anything.
It should be advertised as one of the Top non clan tourneys on CC.
The goal should be to get the best players to play the best players on certain formats here at CC. I like the idea of the winners receiving "premium for a year" as that
should draw a majority of the best players. As long as there is a better way
of informing people about this tourney because many people don't even look at the forums. Mass email would be a good idea if possible. As the goal should be to satisfy
the premium membership with a very competitive and challenging tournament.
Besides having the bragging rights for their Ego's. lol
I dont know what kind of advertising the site
does to draw premium members to sign up from the ole interwebs ,but this could be a very good advertising approach. There are many competitive people in this world.

I like the mind thought of KISS "Keeping it simple stupid" approach
for now and only have a few Championship Tourneys. Especially do to the
limited amount of Volunteers that seem to be needed for running such an event.

"Dubs, Triples, Quads" makes sense as many players like the team format.
1 vs 1 seems very popular and should pit the best vs the best in the individual
format. But "Poly" seems to be a limited amount of players and may not be best suited
for a Championship at the point (maybe down the road?). I Think "Conquest" is a solid tourney that shows how versatile and diverse a player is an a large variety of maps.

Possibly only use 2 of the team format tourneys (Dubs, Triples, Quads).
And instead add Esc or no spoils as a tourney as I seem to see a majority
of players enjoy these 2 formats.

And as far as TPA.......
Maybe utilize some of the TPA as a format for Satellite tournaments
to attain entry into the "Championships". It may be a way to draw more players to the TPA. As I think is Bass Ackwards to think the TPA series is more important than
a "Championships".

......That was my 2 cents

Dukasaur wrote:

Mad777 wrote:
For sure it will definately have 5 separate tournaments that would be "Dubs, Triples, Quads, 1v1 & Poly" nothing else, 5 game type that are the most popular and the most played.

If anything, we already have the Conqueror's Cup on the clan side that tells us who are the best team players. The tourney side needs to emphasize non-team games more.

Agree 100%

willedtowin1 wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

Mad777 wrote:
For sure it will definately have 5 separate tournaments that would be "Dubs, Triples, Quads, 1v1 & Poly" nothing else, 5 game type that are the most popular and the most played.

If anything, we already have the Conqueror's Cup on the clan side that tells us who are the best team players. The tourney side needs to emphasize non-team games more.

Agree 100%

that is just a false statement in so many ways... pretty laughable, actually...-Bj

willedtowin1 wrote:

iAmCaffeine wrote:Ideally once they've fixed the issues.

That's partly why I am asking ^^^
They said every 2 years in a post.....so that would be this July

i thought it was every month, when it first came out.

whatever happened to conquer cup?

I agree that these were supposed to be the the top championships of cc. Personally this was one of the best additions that cc had made in a long time. I was very disappointed when this annual event became an event that would happen every 2 years. That would have meant that in January the 2nd installments should have started. Unfortunately this hasn't happened.

Will, reiterates a point that I made a long time ago, these events are way too complicated. We need to bring it back to the basics so these tournaments are manageable for the organizers. Prizes aren't even that important, the title itself of being the champion is enough.

As for nixing the team tournaments because we already have clans I don't think that clans and a dubs, trips and quads championship are remotely the same. There are plenty of people who play team games that are not in clans and plenty of people who play team games that play them with people that are not in their clan. Also clans are made up of many players a dubs team of 2 players.

I hope there is a way to continue this and get it back as an annual event. I would be willing to help out if the set up is manageable.

shoop76 wrote:I agree that these were supposed to be the the top championships of cc. Personally this was one of the best additions that cc had made in a long time. I was very disappointed when this annual event became an event that would happen every 2 years. That would have meant that in January the 2nd installments should have started. Unfortunately this hasn't happened.

Will, reiterates a point that I made a long time ago, these events are way too complicated. We need to bring it back to the basics so these tournaments are manageable for the organizers. Prizes aren't even that important, the title itself of being the champion is enough.

As for nixing the team tournaments because we already have clans I don't think that clans and a dubs, trips and quads championship are remotely the same. There are plenty of people who play team games that are not in clans and plenty of people who play team games that play them with people that are not in their clan. Also clans are made up of many players a dubs team of 2 players.

I hope there is a way to continue this and get it back as an annual event. I would be willing to help out if the set up is manageable.

With autotournaments now, the setup is very minimal on a volunteer organizer's end. Games don't even need to be created.

response to OP : tentatively scheduled for Julember 32nd

Gilligan wrote:

shoop76 wrote:I agree that these were supposed to be the the top championships of cc. Personally this was one of the best additions that cc had made in a long time. I was very disappointed when this annual event became an event that would happen every 2 years. That would have meant that in January the 2nd installments should have started. Unfortunately this hasn't happened.

Will, reiterates a point that I made a long time ago, these events are way too complicated. We need to bring it back to the basics so these tournaments are manageable for the organizers. Prizes aren't even that important, the title itself of being the champion is enough.

As for nixing the team tournaments because we already have clans I don't think that clans and a dubs, trips and quads championship are remotely the same. There are plenty of people who play team games that are not in clans and plenty of people who play team games that play them with people that are not in their clan. Also clans are made up of many players a dubs team of 2 players.

I hope there is a way to continue this and get it back as an annual event. I would be willing to help out if the set up is manageable.

With autotournaments now, the setup is very minimal on a volunteer organizer's end. Games don't even need to be created.

The auto-tournament system was used for many sections of the Championships but due to things getting fucked up by the mediocre system, and with no help of people leaving CC but being automatically entered into games, several TOs started doing things manually.

iAmCaffeine wrote:

Gilligan wrote:

shoop76 wrote:I agree that these were supposed to be the the top championships of cc. Personally this was one of the best additions that cc had made in a long time. I was very disappointed when this annual event became an event that would happen every 2 years. That would have meant that in January the 2nd installments should have started. Unfortunately this hasn't happened.

Will, reiterates a point that I made a long time ago, these events are way too complicated. We need to bring it back to the basics so these tournaments are manageable for the organizers. Prizes aren't even that important, the title itself of being the champion is enough.

As for nixing the team tournaments because we already have clans I don't think that clans and a dubs, trips and quads championship are remotely the same. There are plenty of people who play team games that are not in clans and plenty of people who play team games that play them with people that are not in their clan. Also clans are made up of many players a dubs team of 2 players.

I hope there is a way to continue this and get it back as an annual event. I would be willing to help out if the set up is manageable.

With autotournaments now, the setup is very minimal on a volunteer organizer's end. Games don't even need to be created.

The auto-tournament system was used for many sections of the Championships but due to things getting fucked up by the mediocre system, and with no help of people leaving CC but being automatically entered into games, several TOs started doing things manually.

That's avoidable with a good TO. I never had any issues. It's really not hard to see if a player not active and eliminate them from the tournament, which I've done on a few occasions.

14 sets into escalating and I haven't made a single game.

Any Updates?????

willedtowin1 wrote:Any Updates?????

There is a red, green and blue cuerently open for signups.