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Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby ch0rn on Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:09 am

I have posted here before about maps and you guys/girls always deliver gold, so I figured why not try again.

I found a Guide for Battle of Iraq by doing some searching. https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50937&hilit=battle+for+iraq+strategy , It covers how the map works, but it doesn't cover actual strategy. Likely going to be playing 11 games of this map at once and the only 2 times I have ever played it I was slaughtered and had no idea what I was doing.

Settings are flat rate/fog.

Anyone have any general strategic tips, best first couple of moves ? Do you even bother with City Loyalties at first, or do wait until you have a bonus to secure those? Is this a map where it's important to secure a bonus really fast, or is it better to slow play ?
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:33 pm

I always go for a Loyalty immediately.

Then again, I don't usually win, so I might not be the best person to talk to..:)
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby Extreme Ways on Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:40 pm

Taken from the Strategy Guide Project, this is kinda the final version but not 'in the open' yet:
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An introduction to Battle For Iraq!
This map displays the map of Iraq, but goes a step further than mere geographics. Iraq is a country at war and the country has different groups of people living in it. Battle For Iraq! has a unique gameplay, where every city has the choice of being loyal to one of those groups. Beware, if you are loyal to more than one group, your troops will protest.
A very interesting map with lots of different ways to play it. I'll give you a few suggestions in this guide, but I can't write them all down. Go see for yourself and enjoy!

Classification
Size: Medium – 87 territories
Complexity: Average
Maximum amount of players: 12

Features
- One-way attacks
- Negative bonus
- Starting neutral regions

Special borders
- Cities can attack any corresponding city loyalty square
- Cities can attack the province they're in and vice versa
- Cities can attack along the roads
- Cities one-way attack United States and Baathist loyalty squares
- Mahdi and al-Qaeda loyalty squares can attack their corresponding city
- Baghdad is in the middle of the map and most sectors within Baghdad attack adjacent provinces or cities

Bonuses
You recieve bonus troops when the regions with the same colour are held. But if you also hold the mixed regions that have multiple colours, including the bonus area you're holding, your bonus will increase. For instance: holding the Kurd bonus means holding Province of Ninawa, Dohuk, Arbil and Sulaymania for 4 troops. When you also hold the mixed regions Province of Ta'mim and Dyala, you'll recieve 6 bonus troops.
Within the city of Baghdad you can hold 3 bonus areas.
City loyalties
- al-Qaeda: You get 3 troops for every 2 cities you hold with the al-Qaeda loyalty. The al-Qaeda loyalty squares can attack all Sunni cities (City of Rutbah, Qa'am, Hidithah, Fallujah, Ramadi, Karbala and Tikrit).
- United States: Every loyalty square has 3 neutral on it. You get 1 troop for every loyalty square with their corresponding city. This increases to 2 troops if you hold Sector: Green Zone (in Baghdad).
- Baathist: You get 1 troop for every city with its corresponding Baathist loyalty.
- Mahdi Army: You get 7 troops for 4 cities with Mahdi loyalty. The Mahdi loyalti square can attack the Mahdi-sectors in Baghdad (Sector: Sadr City, New Baghdad, Karada)
Important when holding city loyalties
When you hold 1 loyalty per city, nothing happens. But when you hold 2 different loyalties in 1 city, you'll lose one troop. When holding 3 different loyalties per city, you'll lose 2 troops. When holding all 4 loyalties, the balance is restored and you won't lose troops anymore.

Basic strategy
Battle For Iraq! asks for a lot of different approaches, it depends on the settings. Usually the Baathist loyalty is the easiest bonus to get, so if you already hold a city that has only 1 neutral on the Baathist loyalty square, it can help you to get more troops early on.

Province of Anbar is the most important territory on the map, because it has by far the most borders. It can attack (and be attacked by) the 5 cities it contains and is adjacent to 6 other regions. Province of Anbar is so big, that it enables anyone that takes it to travel over the map quickly. I wouldn't suggest to just put all your money on getting Province of Anbar, but it can surely help you to hold it.

As said before, the strategies vary per setting. The list of strategies written below is far from complete, because there are simply too many strategies and it will be different every game. This list is a way to help you get started and understand what the setting does, so you can try it out yourself.

Settings
Fog of War
The fog can help you to get secret bonuses. The loyalty squares can only be attacked by the corresponding city, so no one can see the loyalty squares and no one can be sure what bonus you're holding exactly. Especially when holding a few cities, fog of war can be useful.
In teamgames the map is designed in a way that makes it easy to protect your teammate from elimination. This can be done in various ways, the two easiest being:
Hide your teammate in a loyalty square of a city your team owns.
Hide your teammate in a city of a province your team owns, including the adjacent city down the road.

1 v 1
The usual strategy for 1v1 applies, with a few exceptions. It can be very beneficial to get a few Baathist bonuses as soon as you can, but only from Baathist loyalty squares with 1 neutral. This will give you an easy bonus to outdeploy your opponent. Of course, your opponent can do this too, so keep an eye out on what cities provide that Baathist bonus for him. Maybe a small Sector-bonus in Baghdad can be taken if the drop makes it easy for you, this decision will be made for each game..
As for the usual strategy for 1v1 being applied: you both start with 13 regions, so try to get the other player underneath 12 regions as soon as possible. That should go without saying.

Doubles, triples, quadruples
Like most maps, trying to eliminate someone as quickly as possible is the best strategy for teamgames on this map. Getting some early Baathist bonuses can help you to get ahead of your opponent. The other loyalties are usually not practical to take in a teamgame, because they require taking too much neutrals, while you should have your focus on the enemy. What kind of spoils you're playing, doesn't have a huge impact on the before mentioned gameplay.

No Spoils
This is a perfect map for a game without spoils, because there are so many bonuses. Even in a 12 player game, every player is able to get a bonus. Standard games will require patience, but can be really awesome on this map.
Your task is to get the biggest amount of bonus troops by getting the right loyalty squares. When playing the map, you'll see which loyalties the drop allows you to go for.

Flat Rate
Playing a standard game with Flat Rate on Battle For Iraq! will increase the luck factor a little bit, making the game more dynamic. Apart from that, the strategy isn't significantly different from a game on this map without spoils.

Escalating
Battle For Iraq! has 87 territories, but that number (while being correct) doesn't count for escalating games. There are only 39 starting territories, the other 48 territories are loyalty squares. In an escalating game, it would be foolish to go for any bonus, except for the easy Baathist to increase your bonus a little.
You will play this map like any other map that has around 40 territories, you'll just have to keep in mind how the attack routes work. Escalating strategy can be found in Tacticus Escalatus, a fine piece by Scorba.

Nuclear, Zombie Spoils
Half of the territories of this map are unused in most cases, which makes these spoils a bit off a lucky draw. You can get 3 good spoils to hurt your enemy a lot, but you might as well get 3 spoils that make a neutral even more neutral than it was. This isn't the best map to use these spoils.

Reinforcements
- Chained: It usually works fine, since you won't need excessive reinforcing on this relatively small map.
- Adjacent: In most cases, adjacent reinforcement would work the same as chained reinforcements. This setting slows things down and that can be cool if you like it.
- Unlimited: This allows you to travel over the map quickly. With 39 starting territories very close to each other, unlimited reinforcements can create fast eliminations. If you like a fast game with lots of planning on the first few moves, this is a good setting.
- Parachute: This setting can get your troops (for instance) from a Baathist loyalty square, because you forgot that it was a one-way-attack by accident. Usually, parachute reinforcements are used as chained or something that is very similar to it.
- None: Most territories on this map connect to at least 3 others, which makes reinforcing less important. Playing without reinforcement is perfectly doable without getting stacks of useless troops, you'll just have to plan and play it right.

Trench
It can be a very strategic map, because of all the small bonuses. Playing with Trench warfare increases the strategy even more, because mistakes are harder to counter. If you like Trench warfare, Battle For Iraq! is a great map to play it on.

Assassin
Games with this setting are like games on most geographic maps, with the exception that your target can hide himself on a loyalty square, even when the corresponding city to that square is held by another player. With fog of war, this will make it a hard task to find your target and my advice would be to focus on the cities, because they allow you to see both the province they're in and the loyalties that belong to them.

Tips for free
- As mentioned a few times: The Baathist loyalty is very easy to take on a number of cities (where the square has 1 neutral on it). This can give you an easy advantage early in the game, so just take them (but don't advance, because the troops won't come back).
- Province of Anbar is a very useful territory, try taking it if you can without too much loss.
- Figure out the attack routes before playing. There are some strange connections on this map, but if you master it, it will benefit you against players who don't know the map yet.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby owenshooter on Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:01 pm

Extreme Ways wrote:Taken from the Strategy Guide Project, this is kinda the final version but not 'in the open' yet:

which is kind of funny, since all the makers are no longer active on the site... tells you how long this thing has been sitting right out in the "not 'in the open' yet", ha!!!-BJ
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby Extreme Ways on Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:05 pm

owenshooter wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:Taken from the Strategy Guide Project, this is kinda the final version but not 'in the open' yet:

which is kind of funny, since all the makers are no longer active on the site... tells you how long this thing has been sitting right out in the "not 'in the open' yet", ha!!!-BJ

August 13th. It probably is the final version, but isn't marked as 'finished' yet. Don is in charge of the project nowadays.

Edit: 2015.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby owenshooter on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:06 pm

Extreme Ways wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:Taken from the Strategy Guide Project, this is kinda the final version but not 'in the open' yet:

which is kind of funny, since all the makers are no longer active on the site... tells you how long this thing has been sitting right out in the "not 'in the open' yet", ha!!!-BJ

August 13th. It probably is the final version, but isn't marked as 'finished' yet. Don is in charge of the project nowadays.

Edit: 2015.


the map is EIGHT YEARS OLD... that is all i'm saying... kind of funny that the "strategy guide" hasn't been completed... appreciate the hard work!!-BJ
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby ch0rn on Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:38 am

Thanks for posting that, every little bit of strategy helps when you have no idea how to even start. Final round of a tournament is as good a time as any to learn a "complicated" map.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby waauw on Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:43 am

ch0rn wrote:Thanks for posting that, every little bit of strategy helps when you have no idea how to even start. Final round of a tournament is as good a time as any to learn a "complicated" map.


Looool, this is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. This is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:41 am

waauw wrote:
ch0rn wrote:Thanks for posting that, every little bit of strategy helps when you have no idea how to even start. Final round of a tournament is as good a time as any to learn a "complicated" map.


Looool, this is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. This is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.

That's a matter of opinion. I find this one of the most difficult maps out there, and I've played them all. Very difficult to figure out without Map Inspect, especially since much of the map legend is too dark to read.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby boberz on Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:39 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
waauw wrote:
ch0rn wrote:Thanks for posting that, every little bit of strategy helps when you have no idea how to even start. Final round of a tournament is as good a time as any to learn a "complicated" map.


Looool, this is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. This is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.

That's a matter of opinion. I find this one of the most difficult maps out there, and I've played them all. Very difficult to figure out without Map Inspect, especially since much of the map legend is too dark to read.


Complicated is in inverted commas implying it is not especially difficult but just non-classical. Whether it is complicated or not ch0rn didn't particularly imply that it was.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby Extreme Ways on Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:04 pm

If I recall correctly it's quite easy once you got the grasp of it, say like Conquer 500. However strategy guides also exist for non-complicated maps, and are meant as a basis, not a flowchart about what to do in a given situation.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby ch0rn on Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:27 am

Looool, this is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. This is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.


Maybe I will agree with you after my 11 game stretch I have going on right now. Playing in a tournament final round best of 11 games against 4 players who all have played the map 30+ times. I have played it 2 times and those were not great efforts. Just like any "non classic" map, there is a learning curve.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby JBlombier on Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:07 pm

Hey, I wrote that guide!

You're welcome :P
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby iAmCaffeine on Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:59 pm

waauw wrote:
ch0rn wrote:Thanks for posting that, every little bit of strategy helps when you have no idea how to even start. Final round of a tournament is as good a time as any to learn a "complicated" map.


Looool, this is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. This is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.

It might help to be good on the map before making comments like this.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby waauw on Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:11 pm

iAmCaffeine wrote:
waauw wrote:
ch0rn wrote:Thanks for posting that, every little bit of strategy helps when you have no idea how to even start. Final round of a tournament is as good a time as any to learn a "complicated" map.


Looool, this is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. This is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.

It might help to be good on the map before making comments like this.


Does it matter? I don't play this map often, but the mechanics and basic strategies are easy as f*ck to understand. The map doesn't even come close to the difficulty-levels you can find on other maps like Stalingrad, Spanish Armada and King's Court II.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby Extreme Ways on Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:43 pm

waauw wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
waauw wrote:
ch0rn wrote:Thanks for posting that, every little bit of strategy helps when you have no idea how to even start. Final round of a tournament is as good a time as any to learn a "complicated" map.


Looool, this is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. This is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.

It might help to be good on the map before making comments like this.


Does it matter? I don't play this map often, but the mechanics and basic strategies are easy as f*ck to understand. The map doesn't even come close to the difficulty-levels you can find on other maps like Stalingrad, Spanish Armada and King's Court II.

KC2 isnt that difficult is it?
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby waauw on Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:05 pm

Extreme Ways wrote:
waauw wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
waauw wrote:
ch0rn wrote:Thanks for posting that, every little bit of strategy helps when you have no idea how to even start. Final round of a tournament is as good a time as any to learn a "complicated" map.


Looool, this is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. This is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.

It might help to be good on the map before making comments like this.


Does it matter? I don't play this map often, but the mechanics and basic strategies are easy as f*ck to understand. The map doesn't even come close to the difficulty-levels you can find on other maps like Stalingrad, Spanish Armada and King's Court II.

KC2 isnt that difficult is it?


KC1 isn't difficult. KC2 is.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:38 pm

Looool, KC2 is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. That is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby waauw on Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:15 pm

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Looool, KC2 is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. That is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.


You haven't even played the map once.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby Extreme Ways on Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:53 pm

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KC1 isn't difficult. KC2 is.

Meh. I'm not a good player on KC2, but I dont think it's that hard to read the map. It's not a simple map, I agree, but I dont think you can compare it to Spanish Armada/Stalingrad. Still a lot harder than Battle for Iraq though.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:15 pm

waauw wrote:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Looool, KC2 is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. That is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.


You haven't even played the map once.


Dont need to. It suffers from the same flaws as Spanish Armada (Which I have played multiple times if you wanna check). There is a set course of actions to take in order to win that you either know or dont. Thats not complicated, at no point do you have to make a choice.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby waauw on Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:19 pm

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:
waauw wrote:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Looool, KC2 is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. That is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.


You haven't even played the map once.


Dont need to. It suffers from the same flaws as Spanish Armada (Which I have played multiple times if you wanna check). There is a set course of actions to take in order to win that you either know or dont. Thats not complicated, at no point do you have to make a choice.


KC2 doesn't have a set course of actions.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:35 pm

waauw wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
waauw wrote:
ch0rn wrote:Thanks for posting that, every little bit of strategy helps when you have no idea how to even start. Final round of a tournament is as good a time as any to learn a "complicated" map.


Looool, this is a complicated map? You're in for some surprises on CC. This is one of the simplest non-classical gameplay maps out there imo.

It might help to be good on the map before making comments like this.


Does it matter? I don't play this map often, but the mechanics and basic strategies are easy as f*ck to understand. The map doesn't even come close to the difficulty-levels you can find on other maps like Stalingrad, Spanish Armada and King's Court II.

Bullshit.

I've played all four, and all four are quite difficult, but on Stalingrad and Spanish Armada, it is possible to figure out the map from the legend, without using BOB or the Panels. I actually have played Stalingrad when I didn't have my computer, and I was using someone's Ipad and had to figure out the map just from the legend, and it was okay.

KC2 is much more difficult, mainly because of things like the roads not going where the map says they go, but once you figure out those quirks, it's not too bad. It's also difficult because of the sheer size of the map. It's impossible to get the whole map on the screen at once, to get a broad overview of what's what, but that can be overcome with practise.

Battle for Iraq is simply not comprehensible without Map Inspect. Much of the legend is too hard to read. I've tried with different pairs of glasses, I've tried cranking up the brightness on my monitor, and I still can't tell what the penalties are for holding multiple loyalties. It says "Holding 2 loya..." and then fades to black. "Holding 3 loya....." and then fades to black. I still can't tell what it says on the inset map of Baghdad, and without Map Inspect I haven't got a clue what territories on the inset map attack what territories on the main map. I know that Mahdi and al-Quada can attack outwards from their loyalty squares, unlike the other two, but without Map Inspect there's no way to figure out outward to where? Where outward do they attack?

Stalingrad and and Spanish Armada are quite difficult on first try, but after a while they make sense. Iraq doesn't.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby iAmCaffeine on Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:33 am

I find KC2 difficult whereas I'll happily play against anyone on Iraq and be fairly confident of winning. People have different preferences and/or have been more dedicated to learning a map.

To say a map is easy although you're not particularly good at it suggests you don't know it as well as you suggest.
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Re: Battle for Iraq! strategy/tips

Postby Donelladan on Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:51 am

Extreme Ways wrote:Meh. I'm not a good player on KC2, but I dont think it's that hard to read the map. It's not a simple map, I agree, but I don't think you can compare it to Spanish Armada/Stalingrad. Still a lot harder than Battle for Iraq though.


I find Spanish armada way way more easier to play than KC2.
I have play both many times. ( though much more often KC2).
I actually stopped playing Spanish Armada because in a game with only 2 teams, I find there is not so much variation of the game play. The only way to change strat is to change setting ( like trench no trench / parachute no parachute).

While in KC2 there is several possible strategy applicable, and drop can completely change the strategy you can take.
I have played and win KC2 by applying completely different strategy, and although I have played this map more than 200 times I am still unable to tell you which strategy is the best strategy.

But you were saying, it's not hard to read the map. I agree, it took me more time to understand the legends of Stalingrad, Spanish Armada and Battle of Iraq that it took me to understand the legend of KC2 ( though it was easier because I was familiar with KC1, someone that never played KC1 would have need more time than me to understand the KC2 map).
But after reading the map, speaking of different strategy you can use, KC2 is the most difficult and therefore interesting, Stalingrad come 2nd and the other aren't my taste.


Dukasaur wrote:I've played all four, and all four are quite difficult, but on Stalingrad and Spanish Armada, it is possible to figure out the map from the legend, without using BOB or the Panels. I actually have played Stalingrad when I didn't have my computer, and I was using someone's Ipad and had to figure out the map just from the legend, and it was okay.
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Battle for Iraq is simply not comprehensible without Map Inspect. Much of the legend is too hard to read. I've tried with different pairs of glasses,


Funny, for me stalingrad is the only map I cannot play without the Map Inspect among the 4. Interesting how subjective this is.
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