Conquer Club

...Legally!

Effectively I want to point drop back to about captain so I can play my favoured game style (speed standard, flat, classic 4-5 man) without being in the ridiculous position of gaining about 30 points for a win and losing 40 points on a loss. It isn't good for the map rank stats, but more importantly I get little pleasure out winning 30 points for a four man game and I just hate losing 40! Also the colonel is a rather conspicuous figure in such an environment and I'd rather play these games without having an enormous target over my head. In my last game I was suicided on and half his fun (after I thoroughly outplayed him) was to suicide me to see how many points I'd lose...38 in fact.

So I want to get back to captain and exclusively play speed flat and see if I can maintain captain/major against all ranks. I would enjoy my CC 2010 on this basis.

Yet the issue is how to do it legally. I think I am right in saying that if I challenged some cooks to 1vs1 games and let them win (which seems to me to be the quickest way to do it) I'd find myself with a thread in C and A again and this time I might actually be in trouble. If I set up a large bunch of 1vs1 speed games I would surely find myself in the same position...but what about if I actually made some effort to play 30 speed games at once, would I still break the point dropping rule? Couldn't I claim I felt I was intelligent enough (ha ha) to handle it? The other method (that I know of) is to go the doodle route and set up those freestyle 8 mans. But my issue with this is the time it would take (assuming I am only losing 20-30 points per game and waiting for games to start etc etc), but again, how many can I set up at once without being accused of point droppping? One final way would be to play a really top player at a style I am useless at (say King_H or Demonfork at City Mogul freestlye) and quite predictably lose 50 games in a row. I mean I would even if I was trying! But would that be legal?

It seems to me that all these ways could lead to an accusation of point dropping and a C and A thread, yet the simple truth of it is that I want to point drop! I'm not enjoying my CC at the moment (and haven't been for a while) and the reason is simply the inflated rank. I have little desire to push for 3,000, I can maintain where i am forever playing the kinds of games high rankers play yet, as I said, these aren't the games I want to play anymore. I want to get back to the madness that is public speed classic flat. I know most high rankers hate the style, but I've always loved it (it is the game I grew up on) and it is all I want to play now...but not from this rank.

So, what's the quickest, easiest, least time-consuming and LEGAL way to drop 1,000 points?

Quit worrying about the 40 that leaves 960 to go.

2dimes wrote:Quit worrying about the 40 that leaves 960 to go.

No, the trouble is that I'll in general win about 50% of those classic speed 4 mans. I'll go down (for sure) but it will literally take forever. I want to lance the boil...and not on classic.

I'll take your points.

Mr Changsha wrote:So, what's the quickest, easiest, least time-consuming and LEGAL way to drop 1,000 points?

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "least time-consuming", since that's really the limiting factor. It seems like the people that drop points the fastest are speed assdoodle addicts and medal hunters. If neither really appeals to you, then maybe you'd be better off dropping points the organic way: by expanding your CC horizons. Play some new settings and maps, maybe some freestyle poison rome or foggy AoR2 or 8-player manual games... Play against the niche map/setting experts and learn from 'em. I guarantee that if you range as far as possible outside your comfort zone, you'll drop points. Even better, you might stumble across a whole new CC concept to get you excited about the game again. Long ago I was pretty damn bored with the site, and then I started played waterloo and arms race 1v1, and those games totally renewed my interest in the game.

Good luck, young skywalker.

I've heard you talked about this before, and far be it from me, a lowly peasant who can barely hold onto the rank of lieutenant to comment on your request but this makes little sense to me. I don't think there is anyway to purposely and legally drop rank.

My only solution would be to do what many of us do: play 1v1 sequential. Almost a guaranteed rank killer. Of course, this could be true only because of my poor ability, but, if you would like, I can set up 10 1v1 sequential/casual games and even if you end up at 50% you should have some fun and you will lose some points.

Cheers.

E.

ass doodle. people will join your games fast because of the points and the win is all based on luck

elfish_lad wrote:I've heard you talked about this before, and far be it from me, a lowly peasant who can barely hold onto the rank of lieutenant to comment on your request but this makes little sense to me. I don't think there is anyway to purposely and legally drop rank.

My only solution would be to do what many of us do: play 1v1 sequential. Almost a guaranteed rank killer. Of course, this could be true only because of my poor ability, but, if you would like, I can set up 10 1v1 sequential/casual games and even if you end up at 50% you should have some fun and you will lose some points.

Cheers.

E.

As my inbox is already filling up with game invites that I can but guess come from lowly officers scenting free points, it seems the word is out!

The trouble is that I know me. I actually HATE losing points: a long drawn out thing over a few weeks and I'll either change my mind (or have a big win come in) and I'll be back to where I was. A while ago I wrote a thread about sticking at 2,500 and playing some speed classic flat. One week later I'm up near 2,900 because a few 8 man dubs games came through, I won most of the classic flats and I found myself even further away. I know, poor guy, but as I remember FabledIntegral writing here over a year ago "It is really hard to lose points." I think I probably mocked him at the time for being a pompous git (which he was) but he had a point on this thing. 10 1vs1's just won't do it.I need something extreme and fast. Why do you think people point drop? Yet I want to do it legally.

I may play a couple of those 1vs1's...but as I said, they aren't the answer. I want to drop 1,000 in an evening and I want it to be legal. Is that REALLY impossible??

Mr Changsha wrote:

elfish_lad wrote:I've heard you talked about this before, and far be it from me, a lowly peasant who can barely hold onto the rank of lieutenant to comment on your request but this makes little sense to me. I don't think there is anyway to purposely and legally drop rank.

My only solution would be to do what many of us do: play 1v1 sequential. Almost a guaranteed rank killer. Of course, this could be true only because of my poor ability, but, if you would like, I can set up 10 1v1 sequential/casual games and even if you end up at 50% you should have some fun and you will lose some points.

Cheers.

E.

As my inbox is already filling up with game invites that I can but guess come from lowly officers scenting free points, it seems the word is out!

The trouble is that I know me. I actually HATE losing points: a long drawn out thing over a few weeks and I'll either change my mind (or have a big win come in) and I'll be back to where I was. A while ago I wrote a thread about sticking at 2,500 and playing some speed classic flat. One week later I'm up near 2,900 because a few 8 man dubs games came through, I won most of the classic flats and I found myself even further away. I know, poor guy, but as I remember FabledIntegral writing here over a year ago "It is really hard to lose points." I think I probably mocked him at the time for being a pompous git (which he was) but he had a point on this thing. 10 1vs1's just won't do it.I need something extreme and fast. Why do you think people point drop? Yet I want to do it legally.

I may play a couple of those 1vs1's...but as I said, they aren't the answer. I want to drop 1,000 in an evening and I want it to be legal. Is that REALLY impossible??

i'm telling ya play a couple of ass doodle and your rank will start to fall

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hahaha3hahaha wrote:

alex951 wrote:ass doodle. people will join your games fast because of the points and the win is all based on luck

Correct.

Yes, this was the direction I was leaning towards as well. But then how many can I set up at once...4, 5, 6 games? As I said I want this done over an 8 hour period. There can be no turning back, no second thoughts. I am a point-whore of the first order...it has to be fast and me ideally drunk. It is rather like having an operation to fix a hip. You know the operation will hurt like a bastard but you also know you'll be walking better at the end of it.

let me know when you want to assdoodle it out. i want to be a private again.

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ronc8649 wrote:let me know when you want to assdoodle it out. i want to be a private again.

This time tomorrow be on-line. I have no work on Friday so I intend to buy a bottle of whiskey, settle down in my seat and, as you put it, assdoodle this thing out.

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Mr Changsha wrote:

ronc8649 wrote:let me know when you want to assdoodle it out. i want to be a private again.

This time tomorrow be on-line. I have no work on Friday so I intend to buy a bottle of whiskey, settle down in my seat and, as you put it, assdoodle this thing out.

I'll be there, cheap Japanese whiskey in hand

If you don't want to do ass doodle, try about 10, 8 player assassin, auto, games. Unless you are really a lucky guy on the drops you'll lose most of them. Make them freestyle and always take your turn last, to help the effect.

FIRST OF ALL: and you know this... you must try to win every game. Otherwise it would be point dumping.

After that, losing 1000 points is easy. You can open your own speed games, play doodle assasssin games which guarantees losing points, unless you can beat the odds by 3 times above average...which maybe you can, maybe you cant.

Speed games will take care of it though. Even if you win your fair share, the points will shed, assuming you dont find a type that you are especially good at.

Any open games that are based solely or largely on luck will take care of it though.

And no, Im not guessing. A 1000 points shouldn't take more than a couple of days, if that.
Personally, I think to fully understand CC, one must do this occasionally, because if you only play games in the higher brackets, with higher ranks, you simply can't see how others actually cant move forward, and why good players, seem stuck at lower ranks. Until youve dont it, you cant realize that if you dont actually play on the right settings, it actually can be impossible to move through the ranks, and I think this one bit of info is what most players really need on getting started, if they truly care about rank.

My god I type a lot.

Mr Changsha wrote:...Legally!

Effectively I want to point drop back to about captain so I can play my favoured game style (speed standard, flat, classic 4-5 man) without being in the ridiculous position of gaining about 30 points for a win and losing 40 points on a loss. It isn't good for the map rank stats, but more importantly I get little pleasure out winning 30 points for a four man game and I just hate losing 40! Also the colonel is a rather conspicuous figure in such an environment and I'd rather play these games without having an enormous target over my head. In my last game I was suicided on and half his fun (after I thoroughly outplayed him) was to suicide me to see how many points I'd lose...38 in fact.

So I want to get back to captain and exclusively play speed flat and see if I can maintain captain/major against all ranks. I would enjoy my CC 2010 on this basis.

Yet the issue is how to do it legally. I think I am right in saying that if I challenged some cooks to 1vs1 games and let them win (which seems to me to be the quickest way to do it) I'd find myself with a thread in C and A again and this time I might actually be in trouble. If I set up a large bunch of 1vs1 speed games I would surely find myself in the same position...but what about if I actually made some effort to play 30 speed games at once, would I still break the point dropping rule? Couldn't I claim I felt I was intelligent enough (ha ha) to handle it? The other method (that I know of) is to go the doodle route and set up those freestyle 8 mans. But my issue with this is the time it would take (assuming I am only losing 20-30 points per game and waiting for games to start etc etc), but again, how many can I set up at once without being accused of point droppping? One final way would be to play a really top player at a style I am useless at (say King_H or Demonfork at City Mogul freestlye) and quite predictably lose 50 games in a row. I mean I would even if I was trying! But would that be legal?

It seems to me that all these ways could lead to an accusation of point dropping and a C and A thread, yet the simple truth of it is that I want to point drop! I'm not enjoying my CC at the moment (and haven't been for a while) and the reason is simply the inflated rank. I have little desire to push for 3,000, I can maintain where i am forever playing the kinds of games high rankers play yet, as I said, these aren't the games I want to play anymore. I want to get back to the madness that is public speed classic flat. I know most high rankers hate the style, but I've always loved it (it is the game I grew up on) and it is all I want to play now...but not from this rank.

So, what's the quickest, easiest, least time-consuming and LEGAL way to drop 1,000 points?

Seems to me that if you don't care about losing 1,000 points just play the fucking games you want? Don't look at your rank and enjoy it rank free. I never look at my rank in the sence that "omg a cook joined" etc. I just play what i want, when i want and enjoy it, win or lose.

AAFitz wrote:FIRST OF ALL: and you know this... you must try to win every game. Otherwise it would be point dumping.

After that, losing 1000 points is easy. You can open your own speed games, play doodle assasssin games which guarantees losing points, unless you can beat the odds by 3 times above average...which maybe you can, maybe you cant.

Speed games will take care of it though. Even if you win your fair share, the points will shed, assuming you dont find a type that you are especially good at.

Any open games that are based solely or largely on luck will take care of it though.

And no, Im not guessing. A 1000 points shouldn't take more than a couple of days, if that.
Personally, I think to fully understand CC, one must do this occasionally, because if you only play games in the higher brackets, with higher ranks, you simply can't see how others actually cant move forward, and why good players, seem stuck at lower ranks. Until youve dont it, you cant realize that if you dont actually play on the right settings, it actually can be impossible to move through the ranks, and I think this one bit of info is what most players really need on getting started, if they truly care about rank.

My god I type a lot.

And keep at it! You would be amazed how many people can actually handle a couple of paragraphs...you would think they were being asked to read War and Peace before lunch by the way some go on. "Cliffs Notes please!" they call. "Take some pills for the ADD!!" I always feel I should reply.

Thanks for the warning on actually trying to win. That is key. However, I am not the fastest thinker, nor do I understand assassin games, nor do I have clickable maps, nor can I play speed freestyle. I'll lose 20 in a row and I'll be trying my best believe me.

However I do disagree with the motivation...at least it is not my motivation. Rather than expanding my play I am going back to basics, to my comfort zone. I want to play 100 classic speeds this year (I'm afraid I will never have time to play thousands of games) and I aim to hang around captain to major. I simply don't give two shits about rank anymore..I could drop to a striper and I wouldn't give a shit. I sneaked into the top hundred, I rose pretty high and I didn't farm to get there. I've done my hard work. CC is for fun now.

Still planning to play a bunch of these on Thursday and more on Friday as well. If anyone wants to play me at doodle keep an eye out!!

lol, no mather what you guys say 8 man ass-doodle is THE one and only easiest way to lose 1k points in like NO time.

Ronaldinho wrote:

Mr Changsha wrote:...Legally!

Effectively I want to point drop back to about captain so I can play my favoured game style (speed standard, flat, classic 4-5 man) without being in the ridiculous position of gaining about 30 points for a win and losing 40 points on a loss. It isn't good for the map rank stats, but more importantly I get little pleasure out winning 30 points for a four man game and I just hate losing 40! Also the colonel is a rather conspicuous figure in such an environment and I'd rather play these games without having an enormous target over my head. In my last game I was suicided on and half his fun (after I thoroughly outplayed him) was to suicide me to see how many points I'd lose...38 in fact.

So I want to get back to captain and exclusively play speed flat and see if I can maintain captain/major against all ranks. I would enjoy my CC 2010 on this basis.

Yet the issue is how to do it legally. I think I am right in saying that if I challenged some cooks to 1vs1 games and let them win (which seems to me to be the quickest way to do it) I'd find myself with a thread in C and A again and this time I might actually be in trouble. If I set up a large bunch of 1vs1 speed games I would surely find myself in the same position...but what about if I actually made some effort to play 30 speed games at once, would I still break the point dropping rule? Couldn't I claim I felt I was intelligent enough (ha ha) to handle it? The other method (that I know of) is to go the doodle route and set up those freestyle 8 mans. But my issue with this is the time it would take (assuming I am only losing 20-30 points per game and waiting for games to start etc etc), but again, how many can I set up at once without being accused of point droppping? One final way would be to play a really top player at a style I am useless at (say King_H or Demonfork at City Mogul freestlye) and quite predictably lose 50 games in a row. I mean I would even if I was trying! But would that be legal?

It seems to me that all these ways could lead to an accusation of point dropping and a C and A thread, yet the simple truth of it is that I want to point drop! I'm not enjoying my CC at the moment (and haven't been for a while) and the reason is simply the inflated rank. I have little desire to push for 3,000, I can maintain where i am forever playing the kinds of games high rankers play yet, as I said, these aren't the games I want to play anymore. I want to get back to the madness that is public speed classic flat. I know most high rankers hate the style, but I've always loved it (it is the game I grew up on) and it is all I want to play now...but not from this rank.

So, what's the quickest, easiest, least time-consuming and LEGAL way to drop 1,000 points?

Seems to me that if you don't care about losing 1,000 points just play the fucking games you want? Don't look at your rank and enjoy it rank free. I never look at my rank in the sence that "omg a cook joined" etc. I just play what i want, when i want and enjoy it, win or lose.

Ok so this chap needs the Cliffs Notes!

All you say is entirely true but has little do to with this thread. I want to lose 1,000 points! Legally! That's the whole point of the thread!! My state of mind regarding cooks is not the main issue here.

I've lost a bit over 1000 points twice:
1. Have 100 games going, then just leave the site for 2 months
2. Start 120 doodle 1v1, sequential, flat rate, with the strategy of autoattacking your enemy until you run out of troops, then forting any left over troops (those surrounded by your own territories or neutrals) and repeating the process.

Edit: you can't use method two without a cruddy cook strategy. I tried to dump by using my regular way of playing and barely managed to get down to sergeant 1st class, then I went back up.

Mr Changsha wrote:

AAFitz wrote:FIRST OF ALL: and you know this... you must try to win every game. Otherwise it would be point dumping.

After that, losing 1000 points is easy. You can open your own speed games, play doodle assasssin games which guarantees losing points, unless you can beat the odds by 3 times above average...which maybe you can, maybe you cant.

Speed games will take care of it though. Even if you win your fair share, the points will shed, assuming you dont find a type that you are especially good at.

Any open games that are based solely or largely on luck will take care of it though.

And no, Im not guessing. A 1000 points shouldn't take more than a couple of days, if that.
Personally, I think to fully understand CC, one must do this occasionally, because if you only play games in the higher brackets, with higher ranks, you simply can't see how others actually cant move forward, and why good players, seem stuck at lower ranks. Until youve dont it, you cant realize that if you dont actually play on the right settings, it actually can be impossible to move through the ranks, and I think this one bit of info is what most players really need on getting started, if they truly care about rank.

My god I type a lot.

And keep at it! You would be amazed how many people can actually handle a couple of paragraphs...you would think they were being asked to read War and Peace before lunch by the way some go on. "Cliffs Notes please!" they call. "Take some pills for the ADD!!" I always feel I should reply.

Thanks for the warning on actually trying to win. That is key. However, I am not the fastest thinker, nor do I understand assassin games, nor do I have clickable maps, nor can I play speed freestyle. I'll lose 20 in a row and I'll be trying my best believe me.

However I do disagree with the motivation...at least it is not my motivation. Rather than expanding my play I am going back to basics, to my comfort zone. I want to play 100 classic speeds this year (I'm afraid I will never have time to play thousands of games) and I aim to hang around captain to major. I simply don't give two shits about rank anymore..I could drop to a striper and I wouldn't give a shit. I sneaked into the top hundred, I rose pretty high and I didn't farm to get there. I've done my hard work. CC is for fun now.

Still planning to play a bunch of these on Thursday and more on Friday as well. If anyone wants to play me at doodle keep an eye out!!

LOL...I suppose I was singing to the choir there though. Just one more bit about motivation... Motivation is complex, and usually involves many objectives all at once, or at least mine does. I post, because I too have been up at over 3k a few times, and each time managed to find 1200 points or so, and usually had a blast doing so.

You certainly will not be alone with high ranks that stay around major or so.

If you do lose 20 in a row, you'll have nothing to apologize for, as long as you really are trying. What you cannot do is purposely throw games. Playing games you dont have a chance at is not against the rules, because it would be impossible to make it against the rules, and to some degree, playing those games, is the entire point of the site. Besides, you might get lucky anyways. The key is, from a mere point standpoint, you cant possibly win points in some types of games with certain types of players, because its simply mathematically impossible. If you did win points in doodle assassins, while a colonel, it would be more likely that you were actually cheating, than if you lose points, which is simply inevitable.

Regular games will cost you points too though. Playing the masses, really does make it tough to win points, unless of course you find a niche, which isnt hard to do.

In any case, I hope you enjoy your games, regardless of what happens to your score.

Host open assassin games on random maps.

Living proof that this works