wake up bigwham

[nietzsche]

do something dude

try!


first thing, easy thing, return normal freestyle without the waiting time

if you wish offer both options, current freestyle and old freestyle

[waauw]

Stop complaining when you don't even know what's being developed behind the scenes.

[Serbia]

Stop complaining when you don't even know what's being developed behind the scenes.

LOL

Why the hell do you think people are complaining? All they can see is literally what they can see, and they see not enough being done, and the things that ARE being done are mostly useless and idiotic. Tic-tac-toe, anyone???? Gimme a fucking break!

Bollocks.

[waauw]

Stop complaining when you don't even know what's being developed behind the scenes.

LOL

Why the hell do you think people are complaining? All they can see is literally what they can see, and they see not enough being done, and the things that ARE being done are mostly useless and idiotic. Tic-tac-toe, anyone???? Gimme a fucking break!

Bollocks.

If you were to see all that's going on in the beta-testers forum, you'd know he's not sitting idle.

[Serbia]

Stop complaining when you don't even know what's being developed behind the scenes.

LOL

Why the hell do you think people are complaining? All they can see is literally what they can see, and they see not enough being done, and the things that ARE being done are mostly useless and idiotic. Tic-tac-toe, anyone???? Gimme a fucking break!

Bollocks.

If you were to see all that's going on in the beta-testers forum, you'd know he's not sitting idle.

I already know he's not sitting idle, but like I said, the things we know he's giving the site are useless and stupid. How long have we been screaming for an account sitting feature? Instead, play some mancala! You can't expect people to not complain when they see what they see. We've been listening to promises of "just wait, great things are coming!" for literally YEARS, and the "upgrades" we see are all minor.

Bollocks.

[waauw]

Stop complaining when you don't even know what's being developed behind the scenes.

LOL

Why the hell do you think people are complaining? All they can see is literally what they can see, and they see not enough being done, and the things that ARE being done are mostly useless and idiotic. Tic-tac-toe, anyone???? Gimme a fucking break!

Bollocks.

If you were to see all that's going on in the beta-testers forum, you'd know he's not sitting idle.

I already know he's not sitting idle, but like I said, the things we know he's giving the site are useless and stupid. How long have we been screaming for an account sitting feature? Instead, play some mancala! You can't expect people to not complain when they see what they see. We've been listening to promises of "just wait, great things are coming!" for literally YEARS, and the "upgrades" we see are all minor.

Bollocks.

Well if you like complaining so much, why not put your action where you mouth is and offer to do the work.

[nietzsche]

Stop complaining when you don't even know what's being developed behind the scenes.

BEcause I happen to be super smart.

Speed games gave life to the site. When there was a ton of speed games it seemed as if this thing was alive.

THen, after so many people complaining gay people shouldn't get married, because it was a lot of fun for them, or maybe it was that freestyle was unfair and they wanted it was not as fun so they could play it because they couldnt take the super fun gay people were having having sex in different ways , they completely ruined freestyle.

And then speed games started to die. We lost great players. Great fun. It might sound ridiculous but a lot of people joined freestyle because they wanted to go fast. A lot of people has asked to fix freestyle. The thing is so goddamn easy to do, given they didn't f*ck up the code much, that should've been done ages ago.


Now, the only thing that could be preventing it, other than sheer stupidity, is that they're afraid the servers can't take it anymore and they actually want speed games to die. I don't think it has ever been clear what happened, why the site started to have latency problems. Did they simply downgrade the hosting service to save $$$? Or did they implement some code that they can't debug or what. But if the freestylers were given what they asked for when they asked for, maybe we wouldn't have lost so many players.

I'm not saying it's the solution to the problem, I'm saying bigwham could at least try it.



The downtrend my have started earlier for other reasons, but to me the key reason, the real turning point was when the server started to suck and we the timeouts started, and the freestylers stopped playing.



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As Serbia points out, the owner might have his idea of what he wants for the site, but the obvious things mentioned OVER AND OVER by users are simply ignored. We don't want stars, we don't want chess, we don't want talking bots.

-work on the interface (takes time and taste, animated banner gifs is sooo cool, this is 2001).
-work on the scoring system so we can have a quit button for trench games
-work on start game/find game
-work on the log so we can have replay
-fix freestyle
-create a god damn video to introduce users to the site, this has been obvious since 2005 when lackattack was masturbating about a possible risk site.

and i forgot all the rest.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Stop complaining when you don't even know what's being developed behind the scenes.

The fault is with customer liason and not the customer then.

[owenshooter]

Stop complaining when you don't even know what's being developed behind the scenes.

The fault is with customer liason and not the customer then.

wing...as you are seeing... fault is always with the customer.. it is OUR FAULT for being dissatisfied... it is our fault for being impatient... it is our fault for being critical of how things are being done on a large scale, etc... apple just had a huge devaluation for missing their goal by a slim margin... they didn't berate people by saying, "YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON IN BETA!! SHUT UP!!!!"... wait, maybe they did and i missed... when the volunteers act as immature as the mod posting within this thread has, it reflects poorly on the site and makes customers even more disgruntled... it is a tiresome game they play... and guess what? the cast is forever rotating with fresh new faces ready to pounce on those with questions or concerns or criticism... great job, waauw, way to placate the masses with your insightful, informative and timely post concerning this matter... the jr. mints strike again... the black jesus is amused...-Jésus noir

p.s.-someone needs to move that cajun chip truck and get BW back to work!!!

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Managing customer expectations is the most painful thing known yo man. Its also essential.

If the expectation is tic tac toe then active publicity might be wise.

[jimboy]

Let me start this by saying I have not read any of the forum's for months and months so if i say something that's already been said then I appoligize for it.

What I wanted to say is that I have also found that speed games have really died from what they were in the past and I'm not a player that plays freestyle. It used to be when I set up a game it would fill fairly fast and these days it takes forever to fill for whatever reason. I have also came online a number of times and have searched speed games only to find there is only 1 or 2 games waiting which i find mind blowing compared to what they were years ago. Speed games really seem to be dying and that's a huge problem for CC in my opinion as its one of the major perks to having a premium membership. If they don't find a way to fix speed CC will continue to decline. Conquer Club does not need anymore gimmicky shit, they just need the solid fundamentals back that made this site popular in the first place. Hopefully that is seen eventually.

[Serbia]

Stop complaining when you don't even know what's being developed behind the scenes.

LOL

Why the hell do you think people are complaining? All they can see is literally what they can see, and they see not enough being done, and the things that ARE being done are mostly useless and idiotic. Tic-tac-toe, anyone???? Gimme a fucking break!

Bollocks.

If you were to see all that's going on in the beta-testers forum, you'd know he's not sitting idle.

I already know he's not sitting idle, but like I said, the things we know he's giving the site are useless and stupid. How long have we been screaming for an account sitting feature? Instead, play some mancala! You can't expect people to not complain when they see what they see. We've been listening to promises of "just wait, great things are coming!" for literally YEARS, and the "upgrades" we see are all minor.

Bollocks.

Well if you like complaining so much, why not put your action where you mouth is and offer to do the work.

If you knew me at all, you'd know I was already a volunteer, and quit when wham and I had a disagreement. He basically told me to get in line, or get out. He's a bitch, so fuck him. Learn your CC history.

Bollocks.

[demonfork]

Freestyle used to be awesome and now it sucks ass!

I already broke this down a while ago...

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=206403&hilit


But ultimately I think that developing a solid tic-tac-toe interface might be a better way to spend resources around here.

I mean who in there right mind would really think that a decline of 40,000 games played per year to just under 100 per year, over a 5 year period, is something that requires any attention?

[zsp]

they just need the solid fundamentals back that made this site popular in the first place. Hopefully that is seen eventually.

So simple. So GENIUS. Yet so complicated for the admin that be.

I'm still wondering why I petitioned to be allowed back on this site and gave them my $30; I should've done some reading in the forums first before rejoining. Oh well, I'll try to get my money out of whatever's left of this site. Overall, it's still cool to be able to play R*sk online on various different maps, but this site really needs to get back to the basics.

[degaston]

Freestyle used to be awesome and now it sucks ass!

I already broke this down a while ago...

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=206403&hilit

IcePack asks a couple of times in that thread what changed to make it bad. I skimmed and did a quick search, but I don't see that anyone answered him. What is your complaint about?

[demonfork]

Freestyle used to be awesome and now it sucks ass!

I already broke this down a while ago...

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=206403&hilit

IcePack asks a couple of times in that thread what changed to make it bad. I skimmed and did a quick search, but I don't see that anyone answered him. What is your complaint about?

I guess I ultimately don't understand your question...

Are you saying that all of the freestyle players are in error, that nothing changed and that we are all delusional? Or are you just trying to get me to do the work for you when you can easily find out this information for yourself?


Either way you are missing the point and this is exactly why you don't know what changed... BECAUSE YOU WERENT A FUCKING FREESTYLE PLAYER!!!

The changes to the format didn't effect you, the only people that were fucked by the change were the actual players that loved and played the fucking format.

So why the f*ck do I need to spend my time to explain to you or anyone else, the nuances of FS and why the idiots that made changes to the format were fucking stupid for doing so?

Do you think that it's just fucking coincidence that a once thriving game format crashed to nothing overnight?


The entire fucking point isn't that there was a change made... the point is that the people that drove the change didn't understand what the f*ck they were changing and what the ramifications of the change would be. BECAUSE THEY WERENT FUCKING FREESTYLE PLAYERS!!!!!!!!

I, as well as many other FS players, warned that if the proposed changes would go into affect, it would kill the format. I went into detail as to why the changes would f*ck the game up. WAS I RIGHT?

If you are that interested in why the game now sucks, do a fucking form search and learn the history of events for yourself. It's all documented.

[waauw]

Freestyle used to be awesome and now it sucks ass!

I already broke this down a while ago...

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 6403&hilit

IcePack asks a couple of times in that thread what changed to make it bad. I skimmed and did a quick search, but I don't see that anyone answered him. What is your complaint about?

I guess I ultimately don't understand your question...

Are you saying that all of the freestyle players are in error, that nothing changed and that we are all delusional? Or are you just trying to get me to do the work for you when you can easily find out this information for yourself?


Either way you are missing the point and this is exactly why you don't know what changed... BECAUSE YOU WERENT A FUCKING FREESTYLE PLAYER!!!

The changes to the format didn't effect you, the only people that were fucked by the change were the actual players that loved and played the fucking format.

So why the f*ck do I need to spend my time to explain to you or anyone else, the nuances of FS and why the idiots that made changes to the format were fucking stupid for doing so?

Do you think that it's just fucking coincidence that a once thriving game format crashed to nothing overnight?


The entire fucking point isn't that there was a change made... the point is that the people that drove the change didn't understand what the f*ck they were changing and what the ramifications of the change would be. BECAUSE THEY WERENT FUCKING FREESTYLE PLAYERS!!!!!!!!

I, as well as many other FS players, warned that if the proposed changes would go into affect, it would kill the format. I went into detail as to why the changes would f*ck the game up. WAS I RIGHT?

If you are that interested in why the game now sucks, do a fucking form search and learn the history of events for yourself. It's all documented.

to be fair, those settings sound dreadful. In a speed freestyle game, the one with the fastest connection is at a huge advantage.
I played those settings maybe once or twice, never again. Other people kept making their moves before I could even click once.

[waauw]

If you knew me at all, you'd know I was already a volunteer, and quit when wham and I had a disagreement. He basically told me to get in line, or get out. He's a bitch, so fuck him. Learn your CC history.

Bollocks.

I know that very well. There used to be a topic dedicated to discussing you alone in the disco lounge.

[demonfork]

Freestyle used to be awesome and now it sucks ass!

I already broke this down a while ago...

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=206403&hilit

IcePack asks a couple of times in that thread what changed to make it bad. I skimmed and did a quick search, but I don't see that anyone answered him. What is your complaint about?

I guess I ultimately don't understand your question...

Are you saying that all of the freestyle players are in error, that nothing changed and that we are all delusional? Or are you just trying to get me to do the work for you when you can easily find out this information for yourself?


Either way you are missing the point and this is exactly why you don't know what changed... BECAUSE YOU WERENT A FUCKING FREESTYLE PLAYER!!!

The changes to the format didn't effect you, the only people that were fucked by the change were the actual players that loved and played the fucking format.

So why the f*ck do I need to spend my time to explain to you or anyone else, the nuances of FS and why the idiots that made changes to the format were fucking stupid for doing so?

Do you think that it's just fucking coincidence that a once thriving game format crashed to nothing overnight?


The entire fucking point isn't that there was a change made... the point is that the people that drove the change didn't understand what the f*ck they were changing and what the ramifications of the change would be. BECAUSE THEY WERENT FUCKING FREESTYLE PLAYERS!!!!!!!!

I, as well as many other FS players, warned that if the proposed changes would go into affect, it would kill the format. I went into detail as to why the changes would f*ck the game up. WAS I RIGHT?

If you are that interested in why the game now sucks, do a fucking form search and learn the history of events for yourself. It's all documented.

to be fair, those settings sound dreadful. In a speed freestyle game, the one with the fastest connection is at a huge advantage.
I played those settings maybe once or twice, never again. Other people kept making their moves before I could even click once.

Yea dude, they were so dreadful that there were 40,000 games played with these settings the year that FS was first introduced.

You're basically a complete idiot that can offer ZERO input to this discussion.

[waauw]

-work on the interface (takes time and taste, animated banner gifs is sooo cool, this is 2001).
-work on the scoring system so we can have a quit button for trench games
-work on start game/find game
-work on the log so we can have replay
-fix freestyle
-create a god damn video to introduce users to the site, this has been obvious since 2005 when lackattack was masturbating about a possible risk site.

and i forgot all the rest.

• quit button has been repeatedly refused for it can cause many new problems all on its own.
• Anybody can make a video. If you want one, why don't you make one yourself? I suggested a wiki and got told there was insufficient time to for it, so I started up an unofficial project myself. Take some initiative if you think it's so paramount.
• some of the other things you mentioned are already being taken into consideration or being developed.

ps: making website videos doens't even fall under BW's task list. This sounds more like a job for the community team/SoC.

[Serbia]

If you knew me at all, you'd know I was already a volunteer, and quit when wham and I had a disagreement. He basically told me to get in line, or get out. He's a bitch, so fuck him. Learn your CC history.

Bollocks.

I know that very well. There used to be a topic dedicated to discussing you alone in the disco lounge.

Then why tell me to offer to help? Pure frustration at not being able to properly answer in wham's stead?

Bollocks.

[waauw]

Yea dude, they were so dreadful that there were 40,000 games played with these settings the year that FS was first introduced.

You're basically a complete idiot that can offer ZERO input to this discussion.

Yeah and so important that you didn't even think it worth to make a seperate topic about it in the appropriate section, suggestions.
If I do a simple search of all topics with the word "freestyle" in their title within the suggestions section, no such topic turns up within the last couple of years.

[waauw]

If you knew me at all, you'd know I was already a volunteer, and quit when wham and I had a disagreement. He basically told me to get in line, or get out. He's a bitch, so fuck him. Learn your CC history.

Bollocks.

I know that very well. There used to be a topic dedicated to discussing you alone in the disco lounge.

Then why tell me to offer to help? Pure frustration at not being able to properly answer in wham's stead?

Bollocks.

I can answer, since I can read what's written in the beta testers forums, I'm just not allowed to divulge any specific information.

[Serbia]

If you knew me at all, you'd know I was already a volunteer, and quit when wham and I had a disagreement. He basically told me to get in line, or get out. He's a bitch, so fuck him. Learn your CC history.

Bollocks.

I know that very well. There used to be a topic dedicated to discussing you alone in the disco lounge.

Then why tell me to offer to help? Pure frustration at not being able to properly answer in wham's stead?

Bollocks.

I can answer, since I can read what's written in the beta testers forums, I'm just not allowed to divulge any specific information.

But why tell me to offer to help? You apparently know that I was the Deputy Tournament Director, and was a volunteer for years, and quit only because of the owner.

Bollocks.