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Now... the map you sent me has a problem: the river impassable shown bears very little relationship to the actual waters of Switzerland. Check out this map for comparison: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... on_map.jpg Also, the mountains bear some relationship to the real ones but as you can see, the real ones are pretty much all over the southern half of the country. I suppose the original designer just chose to place a few to break things up, not worrying too much about reality. That's okay with me but I want you to be aware I may place mountains differently.
So unless you are set on the layout of the long-gone cartographer (i.e. it was playtested and found to be great) I propose to start from scratch. I will likely remain very similar to that map but feel free to make changes. But let me ask: are you asking me to make a Swittzerland map because you like Switzerland, or because you like that specific map made by that long-gone guy?
In the first case I'll truly start from scratch. In the second case I'll try to make a pretty map that follows the exact terts/impassables used originally. You have "commissioned" this map - you choose. I'm happy either way.
Minister X wrote:Ian Canton has insisted that all the 26 actual cantons be used and no made-up terts based on city/town names. (Is it because of his last name?? I just noticed that!)
Minister X wrote:Please consider the Canton of Bern. On some maps it's shown just barely touching the French border, thus making Neufchatel not border Jura. On other maps it's shown NOT touching the French border. What to do? You can see what I've chosen - I can change it, but bear in mind that Bern is already the most important tert on the map, bordering ELEVEN other terts (before mountain placement, which is TBD). Two terts border just one other; three terts border just two others.
Minister X wrote:Some terts will be WAY WAY bigger than others, which is just plain weird. And having to place four sets of designations outside the country borders won't be visually pleasing. But I think I have a solution. Look at the "Classic" map - the original. There are no tert borders, just lines showing which terts connect to which. I could adopt this method, with Coats of Arms connecting to each other with lines like that. Each C-O-A could be placed fairly close to its actual location (or at lest in the proper relative position), but ALL inside the national border and spaced out enough to be visually pleasing. A white blob to accommodate the army number could be placed precisely above each C-O-A where they have a flat edge anyway (not touching but close). More of the extremely interesting base map can show through and I believe I can still use lakes and extra mountains to "explain" why some C-O-As don't "border" nearby ones.
I think that's preferable to a map with grossly distorted internal borders. Using this method, I can limit how many terts Bern borders without having to place mountains in screwy places. And once I get the terts placed and connected we can decide on how to define bonus regions without having to worry as much about weird shapes being created. Also, I might be able to make the map smaller.
The "Classic" map leads the one in second place in plays per month by a factor of five, so clearly this method of tert-connection presents players with no difficulties. Many maps employ the same method in whole or in part. May I please proceed on this basis?
Minister X wrote:HitRed: I think you failed to grasp Ian's last line where he said, "i'm happy for us to try this" when referring to my suggestion that we mimic the Classic map and do away with tert borders, using lines of connection instead. And so I'll proceed on that basis unless/until I hear otherwise.
riskllama wrote:yeah, it looks a little "busy" to me. i like the simpler, cleaner looking original design much better.
Minister X wrote:Just FYI on Switzerland, we're losing the well-recognized Davos, Gstaad, St. Moritz, Zermatt, Interlaken, Lugano and Montreux. We're gaining Vaud, Sankt Galen and Zug. Are you sure you don't maybe want this to be a map of famous Swiss cities instead of cantons?
Mad777 wrote:mixing counties and cities is not my preference
Mad777 wrote:you also have out “Simplon” which neither a county nor a cities but a mountain pass road.
Minister X wrote:A few were chosen simply because they have COAs and are located in what would otherwise be empty spaces because nothing more famous is nearby.
Minister X wrote:Because I can, in general, place COAs very close to actual city locations, I prefer to sacrifice recognizability on a few names than overall geographic accuracy.
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