Conquer Club

This is the final list for my totally made up Clan League Premier Division Hall of Fame. Congrats to the 60 who made the original list and now to the 20 who moved on to final voting. There will be up to 12 initial entries voted into my Hall of Fame plus at least one veteran entry inducted by the committee (me). I've taken the liberty of giving a quick synopsis of each player's resume thus far.

And the full sheets are here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z5h7dl-C_gMG5dPtjbdJ_O-Ei5N9GB4xIxvHzFKzIrc/edit?usp=sharing


josko.ri - KORT/S & M - 2 of the Top 10 per game averages of all time, 3 of the Top 10 adjusted scores of all time, 2 of the top 5 overall scores of all time, CL4/CL5/CL8 MVP, #1 point total all time, #1 Win % all time, 3 titles in 10 seasons

grt - TOFU/IA - #8 player CL10, #16 per season average, #21 overall scorer all time, 0 titles in 5 seasons

Fyrdraca - FOED - #1 ranked player for CL6, #2 all time scorer, #3 per season average all time, 2 Top 10 Scores all time, 1 title in 7 seasons, Gold Club Member (Top 50 rank every season)

Conchobar - FOED/PIG - #8 scorer all time, #26 per season average all time, #27 adjusted per season average all time, 1 title in 8 seasons, Top 5 CL10

rockfist - TOFU - #1 overall scoring season all time, #5 per season average all time, #1 player CL8, #2 player CL10, 1 title in 5 seasons

Robespierre__ - FOED - #6 adjusted season all time, #9 total scorer all time, 1 title in 7 seasons, #15 adjusted per season average all time

mc05025 - FALL/AFOS - Consecutive #1 player CL11/CL12, #9 adjusted per game average all time, 2 Top 10 Adjusted scores all time, 2 titles in 5 seasons

fairman - LHDD - #1 player CL7, #8 season all time, #1 per season average all time, 1 title in 3 seasons, Gold Club member

Donelladan - LHDD - #1 adjusted per season average, #15 all time scorer in 4 seasons, only Platinum Club member (all seasons ranked in Top 25), #9 season all time, #2 season average, 1 title in 4 seasons, Top 5 score CL8/CL12, 89% of possible games played

t4mcr53s2 - FALL - #7 overall scorer, 2 titles in 8 seasons, #25 adjusted and per season score, top 10 score CL9/CL10/CL11

loutil - TOFU/MM - #6 per season average all time, #13 overall scorer in 5 seasons, Silver Club member (all seasons Top 100), #1 player CL10, #6 player CL7, 0 titles in 5 seasons

Dako - TOFU - #6 player CL3, 1 title in 5 seasons, #35 adjusted per season average

osman76 - FALL - #4 all time scorer, #10 season all time, #2 player CL7, 2 titles in 9 seasons, #14 adjusted per season average

JPlo64 - FOED - #3 all time scorer, #1 player CL9, #4 player CL6/CL11, #5 season all time, #3 adjusted season all time, #3 adjusted per season average, #1 games played percentage (played 95% of possible games), Gold Club member, 1 title in 7 seasons, CL9 MVP

rcfritz - FALL - #6 scorer all time, Top 5 scorer CL5/CL12, #12 adjusted per season average, #15 per season average, 2 titles in 8 seasons

GoranZ - FALL -CL10/CL11 MVP, #4 player CL10, #2 player CL11/CL12, #10 overall scorer all time, 2 titles in 8 seasons

Chariot of Fire - TOFU - #5 adjusted per season average, #8 per season average, #29 all time scorer, #2 player CL3, #10 player CL10, Gold Club member, 89% possible games played, 0 titles in 4 seasons

groovysmurf - FOED/PACK - #17 adjusted per season average, #50 total scorer all time, 87% possible games played, Gold Club member, #9 player CL9, 0 titles in 4 seasons

dkmaster - TOP - #6 player CL8, 0 titles in 4 seasons, #29 per season average

rousseau72 - FALL - #5 scorer all time, #13 adjusted per season average, 2 titles in 8 seasons, #3 player CL11, Top 10 player CL7/CL10

Lots of talent…I can find 3 players here that can easily be replaced by better players but overall solid dream team

I can, too but I went with the people's votes.

Nut Shot Scott wrote:I can, too but I went with the people's votes.

Pretty sure it’s Josko here unless it’s a population contest…
If so I would like my entry with this video as attachment added to the mix.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBHkIWAJitg

That’s a really solid list. I’m honored to be in that company.

There will be 12 inductees plus one discretionary entry. I have already chosen the discretionary entry.

Nut Shot Scott wrote:There will be 12 inductees plus one discretionary entry. I have already chosen the discretionary entry.

I hope it’s you…unless my video made a statement…
Anyways joking aside there are some solid players here that contribute to their clans and the site. Love this idea and hope this continues each year

MTIceman41 wrote:

Nut Shot Scott wrote:There will be 12 inductees plus one discretionary entry. I have already chosen the discretionary entry.

I hope it’s you…unless my video made a statement…
Anyways joking aside there are some solid players here that contribute to their clans and the site. Love this idea and hope this continues each year

Lol all will be revealed when voting closes in a couple weeks. Spoiler - it is not me.

You going to do 1-2 a year from here on out?

rockfist wrote:You going to do 1-2 a year from here on out?

That was the plan. I'll see how voting goes then do some kind of threshold. Maybe a max of 2 or 3 per year. Replace the 12 who get voted in this year, reeevaluate after season stats are in and create a new list of 60 players to parse down to 20. Don't want to water it down too much.

Another way to do the voting is, once you have your finalists, have each one be a separate Yes/No vote and require a certain % to get in.

I suppose, but I wonder if a yes/no vote becomes a how much is this person liked contest, rather than how great of a CL player was this person. This is a list of who has been great, but it is also a list of rather large personalities because it takes some of that to be consistently great IMO. For the record I voted yes for some people that I do not usually get along with, because by any objective measure they have been great in CL...I do not know to what degree other people would do that.

rockfist wrote:I suppose, but I wonder if a yes/no vote becomes a how much is this person liked contest, rather than how great of a CL player was this person. This is a list of who has been great, but it is also a list of rather large personalities because it takes some of that to be consistently great IMO. For the record I voted yes for some people that I do not usually get along with, because by any objective measure they have been great in CL...I do not know to what degree other people would do that.

i hope that this is how we all vote! intangibles certainly can come into play but ultimately, your play should speak for itself. when i get cup rankings completed, this might change to overall clan h.o.f. and include those stats as well. the players may stay the same but i have a feeling there will be some who really step up in Cup but don't play much in League. we shall see.

The fact that mc has 8 votes is an absolute crime lol

Swimmerdude99 wrote:The fact that mc has 8 votes is an absolute crime lol

to my eye, there are 6 or 7 who should be on every ballot, unquestionably. mc would be on that list. you could interchange a few beyond that. a couple probably made it this far because they're popular and well liked. one, i cannot explain but as jalen rose likes to say, give the people what they want.

rockfist wrote:I suppose, but I wonder if a yes/no vote becomes a how much is this person liked contest, rather than how great of a CL player was this person. This is a list of who has been great, but it is also a list of rather large personalities because it takes some of that to be consistently great IMO. For the record I voted yes for some people that I do not usually get along with, because by any objective measure they have been great in CL...I do not know to what degree other people would do that.

On the other hand, quiet personalities can get unnoticed while being amazing player.
fairman is for example imho one of the greatest player I know, his statistics here on CL are indeed really good ( 1st ranked player on average which mean even when LHDD didn't do well he was still doing well ). But he is getting less vote than I am, while I actually have stats less good than he does.

Donelladan wrote:

rockfist wrote:I suppose, but I wonder if a yes/no vote becomes a how much is this person liked contest, rather than how great of a CL player was this person. This is a list of who has been great, but it is also a list of rather large personalities because it takes some of that to be consistently great IMO. For the record I voted yes for some people that I do not usually get along with, because by any objective measure they have been great in CL...I do not know to what degree other people would do that.

On the other hand, quiet personalities can get unnoticed while being amazing player.
fairman is for example imho one of the greatest player I know, his statistics here on CL are indeed really good ( 1st ranked player on average which mean even when LHDD didn't do well he was still doing well ). But he is getting less vote than I am, while I actually have stats less good than he does.

I think having 3 seasons is what hurts fairman. Granted, you've only got 4 but that extra really good season boosts you quite a bit. Just my opinion.

Probably true, Don and I agree with NSS.

Donelladan wrote:

rockfist wrote:On the other hand, quiet personalities can get unnoticed while being amazing player.
fairman is for example imho one of the greatest player I know, his statistics here on CL are indeed really good ( 1st ranked player on average which mean even when LHDD didn't do well he was still doing well ). But he is getting less vote than I am, while I actually have stats less good than he does.

I agree with everything you said (and I would definitely vote for fairman rather than for you as you can imagine)...but I think stats have to be considered up until a certain point.
Nut Shot has done an amazing work, but he didn't (and obviously couldn't as it would be a true nightmare) take into account if you've been playing an away or home game, or if it's a dubs, a trips or a quad.

Here the impact might be of a lesser extent as the gameload is relatively low, but I'm pretty sure there might be some even bigger surprises for the CC HoF. Look how many times you've volunteered on away games you didn't particularly enjoy nor play, but because there were blanks to fill. It's highly possible that it cost you several losses, impacting your global ranking.
And I don't know how other leaders plan their wars in the CL, but if an amazing player gets unnoticed, he is also more likely to play on a map he enjoys/is good at as his background may not be checked.

donche64 wrote:Nut Shot has done an amazing work, but he didn't (and obviously couldn't as it would be a true nightmare) take into account if you've been playing an away or home game, or if it's a dubs, a trips or a quad.

Lol i actually did all of those things. You score more for an away win, you lose points for home losses, you get a luck % that drags down dubs more than quads, etc. The data points are listed in the rankings thread. The two big things I could not factor in were:

A) if you "led" or followed
B) the different number of teammates ie if you always play with the same players or you play with your whole team - i actually tried this but it was a nightmare and would have taken me half my life to finish the matrix. I think I completed one season of LHDD and ICON and said "nope".

Nut Shot Scott wrote:

donche64 wrote:Nut Shot has done an amazing work, but he didn't (and obviously couldn't as it would be a true nightmare) take into account if you've been playing an away or home game, or if it's a dubs, a trips or a quad.

I actually did all of those things. You score more for an away win, you lose points for home losses, you get a luck % that drags down dubs more than quads, etc. The two big things I could not factor in were:

A) if you "led" or followed
B) the different number of teammates ie if you always play with the same players or you play with your whole team

That’s the tough challenge… “who” lead; not always guy on top .who is willing to take meh maps…who is willing and take on newbies to clan games…
That being said there a 4 obvious HOF guys here…but I think in future…have clan leaders and selected few vote and make it known IMO. Regardless this is close to who gets in…some might that shouldn’t and thats okay too

Nut Shot Scott wrote:

donche64 wrote:Nut Shot has done an amazing work, but he didn't (and obviously couldn't as it would be a true nightmare) take into account if you've been playing an away or home game, or if it's a dubs, a trips or a quad.

Lol i actually did all of those things. You score more for an away win, you lose points for home losses, you get a luck % that drags down dubs more than quads, etc. The data points are listed in the rankings thread.

Wow my bad, should have read more carefully !! :S

I pegged it as 7 no doubters here. The system will no doubt be refined from here out. I do like the idea of a voting committee of some kind but I also like the fact that everyone on the site can have their say. Maybe we put together a group who decides on the 60 eligible players, then the site votes in 20 finalists and the committee decides who gets in. I dunno. Let's get them a badge though!!

In my opinoin the no doubters are:
Josko.ri
Donelladan
Fyrdraca
JPlo64
mc05025
Goranz
rockfist

with fairman, osman76, rousseau72 right behind.

fairman is by far the most undervoted IMO.

rockfist wrote:I suppose, but I wonder if a yes/no vote becomes a how much is this person liked contest, rather than how great of a CL player was this person. This is a list of who has been great, but it is also a list of rather large personalities because it takes some of that to be consistently great IMO. For the record I voted yes for some people that I do not usually get along with, because by any objective measure they have been great in CL...I do not know to what degree other people would do that.

My thought behind yes/no is that it's not about filling x spots, it's about getting above X% votes.
I think the current format is maybe more popularity b/c some ppl can just vote for the couple people they like as opposed to submitting a vote on each candidate.

I agree with Iceman, might be nice to have a selected panel (maybe CAT) to submit votes.