Conquer Club

Keefie wrote:AQOH 4 FALL 12 16/6/2014
OSA 11 FISO 5 12/6/2014
HH 6 PHNX 10 15/6/2014
AOK 5 KNT 11 3/6/2014
BPB 5 VVV 11 11/6/2014
MB 3 G1 13 10/6/2014

IcePack wrote:Reserved

Keefie wrote:AQOH 4 FALL 12 16/6/2014
OSA 11 FISO 5 12/6/2014
HH 6 PHNX 10 15/6/2014
AOK 5 KNT 11 3/6/2014
BPB 5 VVV 11 11/6/2014
MB 3 G1 13 10/6/2014

IA 10 LHDD 6 6/26/14
KORT 8 LEG 8 6/30/14
PHX 10 FISO 6 6/29/14
LEG 10 HH 6 7/01/14
FAD 9 GR 7 6/30/14
FOED 8 VDLL 8 6/19/14
GR 11 VDLL 5 6/15/14
ACE 9 RET 7 7/03/14
MYTH 10 KNT 6 7/01/14
ACE 15 KNT 1 7/01/14
MM 12 SOH 4 6/05/14
TSM 8 AFOS 8 6/29/14
TSM 10 SOH 6 6/19/14
TOFU 12 RGX 4 7/01/14
TNC 8 GON 8 6/23/14
ATL 11 LOTZ 5 6/15/14
TOFU 11 TNC 5 6/27/14
RGX 12 LOTZ 4 6/15/14

IcePack wrote:KNT AOK 11 5 06/03/14
MM SOH 12 4 06/05/14
G1 MB 13 3 06/10/14
OSA FISO 11 5 06/12/14
PHNX HH 10 6 06/15/14
GR VDLL 11 5 06/15/14
RGX LOTZ 12 4 06/15/14
ATL LOTZ 11 5 06/15/14
FALL AQOH 12 4 06/16/14
FOED VDLL 8 8 06/19/14
TSM SOH 10 6 06/19/14
TNC GON 8 8 06/23/14
IA LHDD 10 6 06/26/14
TOFU TNC 11 5 06/27/14
PHX FISO 10 6 06/29/14
TSM AFOS 8 8 06/29/14
KORT LEG 8 8 06/30/14
FAD GR 9 7 06/30/14
LEG HH 10 6 07/01/14
MYTH KNT 10 6 07/01/14
ACE KNT 15 1 07/01/14
TOFU RGX 12 4 07/01/14
ACE RET 9 7 07/03/14
FALL VVV 14 2 07/05/14
ATL GON 8 8 07/05/14
FOED FAD 14 2 07/05/14
TNC ATL 9 7 07/06/14
IA AQOH 13 3 07/08/14
OSA PHX 10 6 07/08/14
LOW GR 11 5 07/08/14
ACE AOK 14 2 07/08/14
ID AOK 14 2 07/08/14
LHDD VVV 11 5 07/09/14
LEG FISO 9 7 07/09/14
LHDD AQOH 12 4 07/09/14
RA VDLL 11 5 07/10/14
ID MYTH 12 4 07/12/14
MM AFOS 9 7 07/14/14
KORT HH 12 4 07/15/14
LOW FAD 14 2 07/16/14
ID KNT 9 6 07/17/14
G1 AFOS 10 6 07/18/14
VVV AQOH 9 7 07/19/14
TSM G1 11 5 07/21/14
TOFU LOTZ 15 1 07/21/14
FOED LOW 12 4 07/23/14
RET MYTH 11 4 07/25/14
G1 SOH 9 7 07/26/14
TSM MM 10 6 07/26/14
GON LOTZ 15 1 07/26/14
FALL IA 8 8 07/27/14
FOED RA 13 3 07/27/14
GON RGX 8 8 07/27/14
MYTH AOK 12 4 07/30/14
RGX ATL 10 6 07/31/14
KORT OSA 10 6 08/02/14

IcePack wrote:KNT AOK 11 5 06/03/14
MM SOH 12 4 06/05/14
G1 MB 13 3 06/10/14
OSA FISO 11 5 06/12/14
PHNX HH 10 6 06/15/14
GR VDLL 11 5 06/15/14
RGX LOTZ 12 4 06/15/14
ATL LOTZ 11 5 06/15/14
FALL AQOH 12 4 06/16/14
FOED VDLL 8 8 06/19/14
TSM SOH 10 6 06/19/14
TNC GON 8 8 06/23/14
IA LHDD 10 6 06/26/14
TOFU TNC 11 5 06/27/14
PHX FISO 10 6 06/29/14
TSM AFOS 8 8 06/29/14
KORT LEG 8 8 06/30/14
FAD GR 9 7 06/30/14
LEG HH 10 6 07/01/14
MYTH KNT 10 6 07/01/14
ACE KNT 15 1 07/01/14
TOFU RGX 12 4 07/01/14
ACE RET 9 7 07/03/14
FALL VVV 14 2 07/05/14
ATL GON 8 8 07/05/14
FOED FAD 14 2 07/05/14
TNC ATL 9 7 07/06/14
IA AQOH 13 3 07/08/14
OSA PHX 10 6 07/08/14
LOW GR 11 5 07/08/14
ACE AOK 14 2 07/08/14
ID AOK 14 2 07/08/14
LHDD VVV 11 5 07/09/14
LEG FISO 9 7 07/09/14
LHDD AQOH 12 4 07/09/14
RA VDLL 11 5 07/10/14
ID MYTH 12 4 07/12/14
MM AFOS 9 7 07/14/14
KORT HH 12 4 07/15/14
LOW FAD 14 2 07/16/14
ID KNT 9 6 07/17/14
G1 AFOS 10 6 07/18/14
VVV AQOH 9 7 07/19/14
TSM G1 11 5 07/21/14
TOFU LOTZ 15 1 07/21/14
FOED LOW 12 4 07/23/14
RET MYTH 11 4 07/25/14
G1 SOH 9 7 07/26/14
TSM MM 10 6 07/26/14
GON LOTZ 15 1 07/26/14
FALL IA 8 8 07/27/14
FOED RA 13 3 07/27/14
GON RGX 8 8 07/27/14
MYTH AOK 12 4 07/30/14
RGX ATL 10 6 07/31/14
KORT OSA 10 6 08/02/14
ACE MYTH 14 2 08/02/14
LEG PHX 9 7 08/03/14
RET AOK 12 4 08/03/14
TNC RGX 10 6 08/03/14
TOFU ATL 11 5 08/04/14
RA GR 12 4 08/05/14
IA VVV 12 4 08/06/14
RET KNT 12 4 08/07/14
LEG OSA 9 7 08/09/14
LOW VDLL 11 5 08/09/14
OSA HH 12 4 08/11/14
ACE ID 11 5 08/13/14
AFOS SOH 12 4 08/13/14
FOED GR 9 7 08/14/14
TNC LOTZ 14 2 08/14/14

IcePack wrote:RA FOED 14 2 09/12/14

Robespierre__ wrote:IcePack,

This never happened. We have no idea where this result came from.

IcePack wrote:RA FOED 14 2 09/12/14

Keefie wrote:TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

PaRKoN wrote:

Keefie wrote:TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

Actually both sets were forfeited and ACE got a bye.

Keefie wrote:

PaRKoN wrote:

Keefie wrote:TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

Actually both sets were forfeited and ACE got a bye.

Only 2 games were forfeited, 14 games were played.

I know a precedent has already been set in previous Clan Leagues, so Ice should be able to decide what to do.

Keefie wrote:

Robespierre__ wrote:IcePack,

This never happened. We have no idea where this result came from.

IcePack wrote:RA FOED 14 2 09/12/14

Correct.

This should be: RA 14 FAD 2 09/12/14

Keefie wrote:

PaRKoN wrote:

Keefie wrote:TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

Actually both sets were forfeited and ACE got a bye.

Only 2 games were forfeited, 14 games were played.

I know a precedent has already been set in previous Clan Leagues, so Ice should be able to decide what to do.

hyposquasher wrote:

Keefie wrote:

PaRKoN wrote:

Keefie wrote:TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

Actually both sets were forfeited and ACE got a bye.

Only 2 games were forfeited, 14 games were played.

I know a precedent has already been set in previous Clan Leagues, so Ice should be able to decide what to do.

This is kind of ridiculous if this got counted for the F400 release in this way. Like... A team can't forfeit and win. That's borderline absurdity.

The main CL thread says that we had a bye on the schedule. The games that did complete against TSM were just games. They weren't part of a challenge/war/tournament.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 1&t=207949

JPlo64 wrote:

hyposquasher wrote:

Keefie wrote:

PaRKoN wrote:

Keefie wrote:TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

Actually both sets were forfeited and ACE got a bye.

Only 2 games were forfeited, 14 games were played.

I know a precedent has already been set in previous Clan Leagues, so Ice should be able to decide what to do.

This is kind of ridiculous if this got counted for the F400 release in this way. Like... A team can't forfeit and win. That's borderline absurdity.

The main CL thread says that we had a bye on the schedule. The games that did complete against TSM were just games. They weren't part of a challenge/war/tournament.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 1&t=207949

Well they didn't win the set as far as CL is concerned. I don't think the rankings and the structure of CL have anything to do with each other.
I think as far as the rankings are concerned, If the games were played and completed in a clan competition, they should count.

betiko wrote:did TSM forfeit before the games started or while the games were being played?
I think it changes a lot. the games were most likely joined as clan TSM vs clan ACE in the first place, not teams with only tsm members vs only ace members as it could happen in a tournament. the fact that they forfeit from the CL6 should have no impact on your CL6 results, but, I would tend to agree with jplo; those games have been played as clan games....
and the result should be treated in my opinion as a casual skirmish between ACE and TSM. TSM forfeit from the CL6, but not from the games in play.

jj3044 wrote:

betiko wrote:did TSM forfeit before the games started or while the games were being played?
I think it changes a lot. the games were most likely joined as clan TSM vs clan ACE in the first place, not teams with only tsm members vs only ace members as it could happen in a tournament. the fact that they forfeit from the CL6 should have no impact on your CL6 results, but, I would tend to agree with jplo; those games have been played as clan games....
and the result should be treated in my opinion as a casual skirmish between ACE and TSM. TSM forfeit from the CL6, but not from the games in play.

Even if we were to accept that fact, the full set wasn't played. For example if we won the 2 games they forfeited, it would have been a draw for F400 purposes. The "set" should only count if the full set was played, imo.

That is all assuming the games are part of a clan challenge of course. We still maintain that they aren't, since TSM isn't part of the CL.

betiko wrote:

jj3044 wrote:

betiko wrote:did TSM forfeit before the games started or while the games were being played?
I think it changes a lot. the games were most likely joined as clan TSM vs clan ACE in the first place, not teams with only tsm members vs only ace members as it could happen in a tournament. the fact that they forfeit from the CL6 should have no impact on your CL6 results, but, I would tend to agree with jplo; those games have been played as clan games....
and the result should be treated in my opinion as a casual skirmish between ACE and TSM. TSM forfeit from the CL6, but not from the games in play.

Even if we were to accept that fact, the full set wasn't played. For example if we won the 2 games they forfeited, it would have been a draw for F400 purposes. The "set" should only count if the full set was played, imo.

That is all assuming the games are part of a clan challenge of course. We still maintain that they aren't, since TSM isn't part of the CL.

How come 2 games were dropped?
Well in that case what would seem fair is an 8-8 for the ranking, and treat the forfeited games as losses for TSM. Not all faceoffs between clan are part of challenges, so i don t really get your argument there. Those games were still labelled as clan games wether they were part of the cl6 or not, they consisted of 16 games, 14 of which were played and 2 forfeited. -> 8-8
But i guess what would be best is to ask tsm what they think of all this.

I treat each set of 18 games (19 games in finals) from CL3 as a single game between two clans where each clan either wins, loses or ties.
The points a clan gets for each set is a function of their opponents rating at that time.
The rating of a clan is the weighted average of all such accumulated points.
(weighting is by games in the set, so reg season sets are weighted at 18, finals weighted at 19)