Conquer Club

I've seen the various rankings. I think its great that the competition is measured regardless of the accuracy debates that will always be there. But I'm still confused about how it works. Do these rankings measure a season, specific competitions, or any and all clan challenges?

The first post should tell you what they contain.

The previous newsletter also had a quick article about ladder/rankings:

viewtopic.php?f=430&t=140871&start=0

My Clan's Better Than Yours - Rankings Explained by Leehar (Nemesis)

jpcloet wrote:The first post should tell you what they contain.

The previous newsletter also had a quick article about ladder/rankings:

viewtopic.php?f=430&t=140871&start=0

My Clan's Better Than Yours - Rankings Explained by Leehar (Nemesis)

I read for a few posts and saw nothing. I'd appreciate a straight-up answer to the question.

ViperOverLord wrote:

jpcloet wrote:The first post should tell you what they contain.

The previous newsletter also had a quick article about ladder/rankings:

viewtopic.php?f=430&t=140871&start=0

My Clan's Better Than Yours - Rankings Explained by Leehar (Nemesis)

I read for a few posts and saw nothing. I'd appreciate a straight-up answer to the question.

It is in the first post. It is called a "newsletter". You have to scroll about halfway through the "newsletter" and you will see the topic in a dropdown box that JPC is referring to [a dropdown box is something that you click on that will "drop down"]. I would have copied and pasted here with links but the topic is locked and I really think if you are that interested you will put some effort into it.

Every clan thinks it is the best clan. No ranking system that we currently have is perfect.

p.s. Your clan should think that it is the best...although I will tell you that it is not

ViperOverLord wrote:I read for a few posts and saw nothing. I'd appreciate a straight-up answer to the question.

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Edit: Really no need for this post any longer.

I say just lock this thread It's a good idea not to escalate anything. But if somebody wants to pm me an answer or post an answer to my question, are the (various empirical rankings) based upon a 'season,' 'official events' or any and all clan match-ups then that'd be appreciated. As the leader of a newly formed clan that would be important information for me to know.

ViperOverLord wrote:I say just lock this thread It's a good idea not to escalate anything. But if somebody wants to pm me an answer or post an answer to my question, are the (various empirical rankings) based upon a 'season,' 'official events' or any and all clan match-ups then that'd be appreciated. As the leader of a newly formed clan that would be important information for me to know.

You have to read each individual ranking system. Chuck's power rankings are based on perception. Blitz's rankings are based on a yearly basis. ELO is based on win percentages and other factors. We are developing a ladder that should be active soon that will help with this. I think there is a detailed explanation somewhere. Once you are in the CLA it will make a lot more sense.

All of the ranking systems use different results. The base results are clan wars. Clan wars are negotiated wars that fit a certain accepted standard within the clan community. The clan league has changed over the years but basically all the clans that sign up are split into divisions and they play a certain # of games. Most ranking systems have trouble considering clan league results due to the small sampling of games versus any particular clan. The Cups or tournaments look like clan wars so they are counted on most ranking systems. Medals are a completely different story.

You just have to read the particular set of rules for any tournament that is posted. If you have a question about a tournament or event (e.g. will it be on the ladder, will it qualify for this or that) then feel free to pm the organizer or any of CDs.

Thank you And despite my protests if you want to call them that, I'll take at least 51 percent of the fault for all of the previous misunderstanding. All of your help is much appreciated and I'm getting a better understanding of how it works.

For anybody that may have some of the same questions that I had, I'm going to post this (partial) thoughtful response that someone sent me. Please note that there are value judgments that somebody may or may not agree with. But it seems like some valid insight to myself at any rate.

Here is a brief rundown of the rankings.

There are no offical CC rankings, these are all run by assorted people.

The one most accepted is Chuuucks Power Rankings

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=438&t=118748 Each clan ranks the other clans excluding themselves, and then Chuuuck compiles the rankings into one list. It works well for the Top 10-12 but beyond that it is not too accurate and becomes a popularity contest

Qwert's ranking is a ELO Ranking which looks similar to how CC points are calculated, He takes all Clan Events into account. it looks really inaccurate to me, and most people don't pay much attention to it

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=438&t=139348

Blitz compiles a list by randomly polling people. He does not include all clans and no one really knows who votes. (I did vote last time)

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=438&t=109045

This is something new that looks promising, it is a complete mathematical ranking. i don't really understand it and I don't think the OP will maintain it so it will go probably go away.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=438&t=140929

** (Name omitted, in case he wants anonymity) is working on a leap ladder that is completely mathematical that takes all clan wars (More than 41 games) into account, but it is not ready to be released

As long as the war is 41+ games it is considered offical and weighted equally with other clan wars, weather it is part of a bigger event.

ViperOverLord wrote:All of your help is much appreciated and I'm getting a better understanding of how it works.

Hell, I've been doing clan stuff for over 3 years now...and I don't get it completely...so don't hurt yourself trying to completely understand it! Good luck with the new clan. Looked through the roster and although I've never played against anyone but you, it looks like a solid group. Feel free to pm a CD or another clan leader if you have any questions about your first challenge, etc.

chemefreak wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:All of your help is much appreciated and I'm getting a better understanding of how it works.

Hell, I've been doing clan stuff for over 3 years now...and I don't get it completely...so don't hurt yourself trying to completely understand it! Good luck with the new clan. Looked through the roster and although I've never played against anyone but you, it looks like a solid group. Feel free to pm a CD or another clan leader if you have any questions about your first challenge, etc.

To be honest, most of us have no experience with each other either. We look good on paper, but we probably have a long way to go chemistry-wise lol.

ViperOverLord wrote:For anybody that may have some of the same questions that I had, I'm going to post this (partial) thoughtful response that someone sent me. Please note that there are value judgments that somebody may or may not agree with. But it seems like some valid insight to myself at any rate.

Here is a brief rundown of the rankings.

This is something new that looks promising, it is a complete mathematical ranking. i don't really understand it and I don't think the OP will maintain it so it will go probably go away.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=438&t=140929

This one is mine. I won't get into the math because then everybody might lose interest, but here is a brief description:

1) This is a script, not just a ranking. That means anybody can use this whenever they want to automatically generate a ranking. No human has to tabulate anything. You have to just paste data into it and click a button (there is a link to the data). If you don't understand the parameters, just leave them as their default values and click the button.

2) It generates a graph of rating over time as well

3) Parameters can be used to reward clans that won with higher win margins

4) It measures how accurate it is, in terms of how often the higher ranked clan actually did beat the lower ranked. To my knowledge, this is the first ranking method that actually provides a measurement of its own accuracy. The reason why I provide it, is because since it is a script, I can easily make it perform these calculations on top of the other calculations it has to do to generate the ranking. I think nobody else has thought to provide this because since they are doing things by hand, it would be tedious to tabulate.

Regarding the comment about whether the OP will maintain it - I just want someone to maintain the DATA. The script is finished. Anyone can use it whenever they want. I just want somebody to maintain a list of all Clan War games including Clan League at a fixed URL. I'm happy to generate future rankings if someone would compile this official record of clan wars.

I think if the Clan directors or other volunteer were to maintain this official clan war results data file, it would encourage further innovation in the clan rankings field. That way, those who wish to contribute by developing scripts to generating ranking models, graphs and accuracy measurements would not be saddled with the additional burden of maintaining a data file every time a clan war concludes.

Here's my article if you're interested in reading it. I obviously don't have anything on FD since his came a bit later.

My Clan's Better Than Yours - Rankings Explained by Leehar (Nemesis)

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""Qwert's ranking is a ELO Ranking which looks similar to how CC points are calculated, He takes all Clan Events into account. it looks really inaccurate to me, and most people don't pay much attention to it""

I dont understand why some people so desperatly fight against any new thing what some other people want to create. its inaccurate ,but not explane in what way its innacurate. Please next time try to much more explane what its wrong with these ranking, but if you dont pay attention,why you even mention mine ranking

Me thinks Leehar's efforts are worthy of a sticky here in the clan thread. Let's continue the discussions there. Cheers to ViperOverLord for asking the question and Leehar for doing all the work