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[grifftron]

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Had an idea... not sure if this is the right place to post it... if not please move it for me.

Right now we have a Clan league already that JP runs i believe, that consists of tons of different clans and is an awesome league of clans that are able to pick which clan they want to play with. This could be the minors or the majors

BUT... and this is a BIG BUT...

WHAT IF we had... lets say 6-8 clans to start off with in a new league... we could have some of the clan alumni or "clan elders" pick 6-8 reps that would represent each clan (which would be assigned names some how just like sport teams are). After that is done, all other players who are interested in joining this league would be thrown into a pool and be drafted into clans 1 by 1... Somehow we would have to do this fairly so each clan gets first picks, 2nd picks and so on... I think there should be a limit for a clan in this league.. maybe 8-10 players max. Then each clan would go threw a season and a tourney at the end just like our other clan league... then after the season is done and we have a champ... there would be another draft with trades and so on... I am sure tons more ideas could be thrown into this... I just really want to see awesome players from different clans play together in some sort of league...

IF no one is interested in this... maybe think of possibly having an "ALL-STAR" series with the best from all different sorts of clans go at it... that would be fun to watch i think!

anyways post what you think. Just an idea guys.

-Possible Organizers of a "Mixed Clan Tourney" (We can change the name later)
1)Bruceswar
2)jrh_cardinal
3)pmchugh
4)danryan
5)AgentSmith88

-griff

[jpcloet]

I think this idea came up before and the suggestion was they pick new team names and instead of a draft, they would all be free agents. Each manager/owner would have to sign players to a contract (fixed budgets) and then each win would bring in so much revenue/concessions. Sound like a good tournament idea.

[Chuuuuck]

Yes, this sounds like a big tournament where you would ask clan players to participate. If clans aren't really playing together then it isn't a "clan league"

[grifftron]

I think this idea came up before and the suggestion was they pick new team names and instead of a draft, they would all be free agents. Each manager/owner would have to sign players to a contract (fixed budgets) and then each win would bring in so much revenue/concessions. Sound like a good tournament idea.

Yeah fixed budget idea would be cool... but even a tourney would be cool, even if it was just the "all star" idea... best players ever to be in clans split onto 2 diff teams in a tourney would be awesome. And all clans could cheer for their home clan players. I think it would get a lot of attention if it ever happened.

-griff

[lord voldemort]

And how do u supposed to put a price on a players head....
run a poll for every clan player thats going to participate.
We all know score is not a true indication

[laughingcavalier]

Price would be by the good old market values of capitalism. Captains bid and the player goes to the highest bidder. You might have to break it down into say 6 rounds of bidding, most valuable players first. Sounds like a fun tourney.

[lurkerleader]

And how do u supposed to put a price on a players head....
run a poll for every clan player thats going to participate.
We all know score is not a true indication

Some sort of games won divided by games completed and multiplied by days since joining CC

in other terms, win % times lifespan on CC - could be seen as a skewed result, seeing as those who just joined clans could have played thousands of 1v1 games...


OR, instead of lifespan on CC - whenever the recruitment thread started for said clan, this giving older clans' members a higher priced contract compared to a newer clan.

[grifftron]

Price would be by the good old market values of capitalism. Captains bid and the player goes to the highest bidder. You might have to break it down into say 6 rounds of bidding, most valuable players first. Sounds like a fun tourney.

Nice idea.

[ljex]

I would really enjoy participating in a tournament like this where people currently in a competitive clan have the opportunity to participate, and the number of teams would be based on the number of people who wanted to participate. I do feel as if all people in competitive clans should be able to participate if they wanted to and that there shouldn't be a requirement to be an all star of your clan. This is because the worst player of some clans can be the best player of another and its not fair to exclude them based on not being the best in their clan.

Price would be by the good old market values of capitalism. Captains bid and the player goes to the highest bidder. You might have to break it down into say 6 rounds of bidding, most valuable players first. Sounds like a fun tourney.

I would like to see this implemented however i can see it being a very time consuming process so i think a simple get all the participating players on a list and then the leaders just pick who they want to be on their team. A simple 1-2-3-4-5-5-4-3-2-1-1-2-3-4-5 (based on 5 teams) ect would work i think.

Lastly as this would be a very time consuming process for the organizers i think that each leader should be one of the organizers so every time 2 teams go head to head the leaders can create their teams home games and then send them to the other leader who will get their team to join.

I hope someone decides to run this and would definitely be interested in participating

[Gold Knight]

I would like to see this implemented however i can see it being a very time consuming process so i think a simple get all the participating players on a list and then the leaders just pick who they want to be on their team. A simple 1-2-3-4-5-5-4-3-2-1-1-2-3-4-5 (based on 5 teams) ect would work i think.

Lastly as this would be a very time consuming process for the organizers i think that each leader should be one of the organizers so every time 2 teams go head to head the leaders can create their teams home games and then send them to the other leader who will get their team to join.

Might be a good thing to research fantasy sport leagues on either espn or Yahoo to check out the different draft systems. LC's idea has recently been used by ESPN in their live auction drafts, and ljex's idea of a serpentine draft has been widely used as the standard for these. The only thing i find difficult with this is that the "leaders, captains," or whatever we call them will basically be running an entirely different clan with setting up matchups and keeping their "team" in order. Not sure if alot of the clan leaders/TO's with experience with these type of things will have the time to participate, but i feel that at least a few of these to keep things running smoothly.

But if we can get enough participation and this does look like a possible success, i would also love to get in on this.

[pmchugh]

I think this is a good idea, though it would just be a team tournament not a clan tourney. Personally I think if there is too much weight on the team leaders then there will be more reluctance to join.

I see there being two main issues:

1. How to assemble the teams.
2. How to organise each round of fixtures.

1. I would try to keep this simple yet not overly time consuming (using 1-2-3-4-5-5-4-3-2-1-1 etc would take far too long as its one pm per player) I'd say just get teams leaders to pick a top 10-12 players they would like to join there team in order of preference. These can then be sorted by the TO and then the same can be done again with the remaining players. Any unpicked players after two rounds are randomly assorted. (with transfers half way through?)

2. How about have each player sign up with there own map and settings, this would aid people in choice of players knowing that if the pick a certain player they get to play on a map they like. This would keep the work load low between rounds aswel.

p.s. May be willing to help run this depending on intrest, and how busy i am.

[ljex]

I would like to see this implemented however i can see it being a very time consuming process so i think a simple get all the participating players on a list and then the leaders just pick who they want to be on their team. A simple 1-2-3-4-5-5-4-3-2-1-1-2-3-4-5 (based on 5 teams) ect would work i think.

Lastly as this would be a very time consuming process for the organizers i think that each leader should be one of the organizers so every time 2 teams go head to head the leaders can create their teams home games and then send them to the other leader who will get their team to join.

Might be a good thing to research fantasy sport leagues on either espn or Yahoo to check out the different draft systems. LC's idea has recently been used by ESPN in their live auction drafts, and ljex's idea of a serpentine draft has been widely used as the standard for these. The only thing i find difficult with this is that the "leaders, captains," or whatever we call them will basically be running an entirely different clan with setting up matchups and keeping their "team" in order. Not sure if alot of the clan leaders/TO's with experience with these type of things will have the time to participate, but i feel that at least a few of these to keep things running smoothly.

But if we can get enough participation and this does look like a possible success, i would also love to get in on this.

I dont think it would be all that time consuming for a group leader if we were to say do 10 players per group and 21 games per match(10 home games, and a predetermined neutral game) in a round robin format with say 6 team per pool. Then the top 3 or something advance into a tournament format where we either keep it at 10 games or up it a little. This is because for the most part i feel the hope games would stay constant throughout the tournament, unless some leaders got really into it and scouted the competition (to stop this there could be a rule that home games are constant throughout the tournament). Then just have weekly or bi-weakly games.

[jrh_cardinal]

I like this idea, especially of the snake draft
pmc, you could run it on something other than PM's, if nothing else it could be a thread in the clans forum (here)
I would also be interested in helping, I will have a lot of free time starting the second week in May

[ljex]

1. I would try to keep this simple yet not overly time consuming (using 1-2-3-4-5-5-4-3-2-1-1 etc would take far too long as its one pm per player) I'd say just get teams leaders to pick a top 10-12 players they would like to join there team in order of preference. These can then be sorted by the TO and then the same can be done again with the remaining players. Any unpicked players after two rounds are randomly assorted. (with transfers half way through?)

2. How about have each player sign up with there own map and settings, this would aid people in choice of players knowing that if the pick a certain player they get to play on a map they like. This would keep the work load low between rounds aswel.

p.s. May be willing to help run this depending on intrest, and how busy i am.

1) may work but there are definitely players that everyone would want on their team so i feel a draft would be better.

Some other options
1) random.org
2) team leaders rank players and then to does a draft from that, you get your highest ranked player when it is your pick
3) live draft in private room on live chat (difficult to get all team leaders on at the same time but if that is possible this is a good option)

2) this might be useful for people so that they draft players who share common maps however i think it would take a lot of time to organize all this information, and may increase the amount of time team leaders need to direct to choosing people for their team. All in all i dont think it would be that hard to get 10 games that people are comfortable with.

p.s i definitely don't have the time to run this but i could be a team leader if needed

[Bruceswar]

If there is enough interest I will be glad to run this. Sounds like a great tournament idea. I am sure I can work out all the details.

[Bruceswar]

The Trick is getting enough people from the clans to play. Let me work something up a bit later so we can see a mock up of it. As for the draft, it will be simple. Once we get all the players The team leaders will make a list from 1 to whatever number. I will then assign each team a number and have it run in random.org A snake draft will then happen using the team sheets. Depending on how many people want to take place will determine number of teams / size.

[ljex]

The Trick is getting enough people from the clans to play. Let me work something up a bit later so we can see a mock up of it. As for the draft, it will be simple. Once we get all the players The team leaders will make a list from 1 to whatever number. I will then assign each team a number and have it run in random.org A snake draft will then happen using the team sheets. Depending on how many people want to take place will determine number of teams / size.

This is probably the easiest way to do a draft but it could result in some really unfair teams. However as mentioned above i am definitely willing to participate and i can help some if needed

[AgentSmith88]

If everyone posts a link to this thread in their respective clan forums I think there will be plenty of response. There are plenty of good ideas as to how to draft players. My only concern is who/how the leaders are determined. Obviously the number of teams will be dictated by how many people participate and how big the teams should be (8 or 10 or 12?). If 8 people want to lead but only 6 teams can be created, who gets to be the "gm"? I suppose random.org could be used, but if Blitz, Dako, jp, etc. want to do it and then there is some private who just started a clan who gets to lead I think you may have some people drop out.

Anyhoo, I would also be interested in doing this. Maybe the first post should keep a running list of people who have expressed interest?

[edwinissweet]

this would be awesome

[Bruceswar]

If everyone posts a link to this thread in their respective clan forums I think there will be plenty of response. There are plenty of good ideas as to how to draft players. My only concern is who/how the leaders are determined. Obviously the number of teams will be dictated by how many people participate and how big the teams should be (8 or 10 or 12?). If 8 people want to lead but only 6 teams can be created, who gets to be the "gm"? I suppose random.org could be used, but if Blitz, Dako, jp, etc. want to do it and then there is some private who just started a clan who gets to lead I think you may have some people drop out.

Anyhoo, I would also be interested in doing this. Maybe the first post should keep a running list of people who have expressed interest?

The first 8/10/12 people to express interest would likely get the job. The only way someone would be vetoed is if they miss lots of turns and or are deemed unreliable. The team captains will have more work to do than the other players. If we have an uneven number of players, then we will have some free agents. Trading of players will be allowed, and a minimum and maximum roster number would be set.

[ljex]

If everyone posts a link to this thread in their respective clan forums I think there will be plenty of response. There are plenty of good ideas as to how to draft players. My only concern is who/how the leaders are determined. Obviously the number of teams will be dictated by how many people participate and how big the teams should be (8 or 10 or 12?). If 8 people want to lead but only 6 teams can be created, who gets to be the "gm"? I suppose random.org could be used, but if Blitz, Dako, jp, etc. want to do it and then there is some private who just started a clan who gets to lead I think you may have some people drop out.

Anyhoo, I would also be interested in doing this. Maybe the first post should keep a running list of people who have expressed interest?

The first 8/10/12 people to express interest would likely get the job. The only way someone would be vetoed is if they miss lots of turns and or are deemed unreliable. The team captains will have more work to do than the other players. If we have an uneven number of players, then we will have some free agents. Trading of players will be allowed, and a minimum and maximum roster number would be set.

How would trading players work?

[grifftron]

I wouldn't want to see a bunch of players from the currents clans end up on all the same team again tho... what if there were say 3-4 reps from each clan that could participate... that way all clans would be involved (that want to be). And the rest of the clan can follow games and cheer for their home players.

I still think nominating 6-8 captains and picking from a pool of players would be best... maybe there could be a rule against picking players from the pool that were already in your clan... that way the teams would be mixed for sure.

-griff

[Bruceswar]

I wouldn't want to see a bunch of players from the currents clans end up on all the same team again tho... what if there were say 3-4 reps from each clan that could participate... that way all clans would be involved (that want to be). And the rest of the clan can follow games and cheer for their home players.

I still think nominating 6-8 captains and picking from a pool of players would be best... maybe there could be a rule against picking players from the pool that were already in your clan... that way the teams would be mixed for sure.

-griff

Everybody who wants to be in will be in. The amount of teams will depend on how many players sign up. Each team will have a max of 20 players and at least 15 needed. Trades will work just like in a fantasy league. I will trade blitzaholic for Laddida? The n the owner of the 2nd team would decide if he liked that trade. The other league owners could approve or disapprove by majority vote.If someone decided they wanted in after the league started they would be a free agent until someone picked them up.

[pmchugh]

I wouldn't want to see a bunch of players from the currents clans end up on all the same team again tho... what if there were say 3-4 reps from each clan that could participate... that way all clans would be involved (that want to be). And the rest of the clan can follow games and cheer for their home players.

I still think nominating 6-8 captains and picking from a pool of players would be best... maybe there could be a rule against picking players from the pool that were already in your clan... that way the teams would be mixed for sure.

-griff

Everybody who wants to be in will be in. The amount of teams will depend on how many players sign up. Each team will have a max of 20 players and at least 15 needed. Trades will work just like in a fantasy league. I will trade blitzaholic for Laddida? The n the owner of the 2nd team would decide if he liked that trade. The other league owners could approve or disapprove by majority vote.If someone decided they wanted in after the league started they would be a free agent until someone picked them up.

15-20 seems like a lot of players for a team, and a lot of management required by team leaders.

[pimphawks70]

This sounds incredible! Count me in for sure