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Conquerors Cup 10: Round 3 - TOFU vs FOED

55 Game War
18 Doubles, 18 Triples, 18 Quadruples plus 1 Tie-breaker game

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Doc_Brown wrote:Conquerors Cup 10: Round 3 - TOFU vs FOED

55 Game War
18 Doubles, 18 Triples, 18 Quadruples plus 1 Tie-breaker game

VS


[url]WAR PAGE[/url]

show: Contacts

show: Schedule and Round Breakdown

show: War Rules

FOED agrees

Grudge Match.

groovysmurf wrote:

Doc_Brown wrote:Conquerors Cup 10: Round 3 - TOFU vs FOED

55 Game War
18 Doubles, 18 Triples, 18 Quadruples plus 1 Tie-breaker game

VS


[url]WAR PAGE[/url]

show: Contacts

show: Schedule and Round Breakdown

show: War Rules

FOED agrees

Approved, gl to both clans

Doc_Brown, I expect some royalties for the copycatted thread !! :p

In the immortal words of Duke Nukem: its time to kickass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of gum.

Hola good folks of FOED. Looking forward to this encounter

Thanks to Doc & groovy for the admin on this thread.

Just a heads up (not sure if it matters) but TheSpaceCowboy isn't showing up on the game count thing. So if that is important might need to find a way to get webmaster to update that page.

swimmerdude99 wrote:Just a heads up (not sure if it matters) but TheSpaceCowboy isn't showing up on the game count thing. So if that is important might need to find a way to get webmaster to update that page.

Looks like xroads isn't either.

Doc_Brown wrote:

swimmerdude99 wrote:Just a heads up (not sure if it matters) but TheSpaceCowboy isn't showing up on the game count thing. So if that is important might need to find a way to get webmaster to update that page.

Looks like xroads isn't either.

Webmaster doesn’t need to do it just a CD needs to push the button

IcePack wrote:

Doc_Brown wrote:

swimmerdude99 wrote:Just a heads up (not sure if it matters) but TheSpaceCowboy isn't showing up on the game count thing. So if that is important might need to find a way to get webmaster to update that page.

Looks like xroads isn't either.

Webmaster doesn’t need to do it just a CD needs to push the button

You know you're getting old when one was a spider and the other was a flashy disc that replaced your cassette collection

Both players have been added to TOFU's roster for this war. They will show up once the database is updated (here in 40 minutes).

Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result!

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Go TOFU
In Odd we trust.

Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result!

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...

loutil wrote:

Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result!

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...

Don't underestimate the advantage of being better at it too

JPlo64 wrote:

loutil wrote:

Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result!

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...

Don't underestimate the advantage of being better at it too

I’d say we have the experience and record advantage over most in this game as well.

We are 23-6 as a team in all quads with these settings (clan games I’m in).
I’m 14-2 in poly 4
JP is 4-0

Going first is an advantage no doubt. But tribe and utilities positioning plays a much bigger role in the outcome than first turn.

Fyrdraca wrote:

JPlo64 wrote:

loutil wrote:

Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result!

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...

Don't underestimate the advantage of being better at it too

I’d say we have the experience and record advantage over most in this game as well.

We are 23-6 as a team in all quads with these settings (clan games I’m in).
I’m 14-2 in poly 4
JP is 4-0

Going first is an advantage no doubt. But tribe and utilities positioning plays a much bigger role in the outcome than first turn.

I am sure your team is quite good on those settings. However, there was no skill involved in our game when you take out 3 of us in round 1. Positional drop and going first is all that was needed.

On the topic of maps like those... City Mogul. I've had this discussion a number of times among some higher ranking members, and I still feel like drop and start is way more important than skill. I am not the best at that map, never will be, but I do think that I can hold a close-to 50% winrate against those that are much better than I am. It's easy to play when "first turn" means +80 in autodeploys and the first to any major bonus, plus attacker's advantage on subs.

In our game JP and groovy realized that we had better shops setup and simply rushed to arsonist. I don't think what we did ever mattered.

And yes, luck also plays a factor on other maps. I think that (for the sake of neutrality) random21 has a stronger possible winrate on Eurasia quads than mc/josko on CM.

Extreme Ways wrote:On the topic of maps like those... City Mogul. I've had this discussion a number of times among some higher ranking members, and I still feel like drop and start is way more important than skill. I am not the best at that map, never will be, but I do think that I can hold a close-to 50% winrate against those that are much better than I am. It's easy to play when "first turn" means +80 in autodeploys and the first to any major bonus, plus attacker's advantage on subs.

In our game JP and groovy realized that we had better shops setup and simply rushed to arsonist. I don't think what we did ever mattered.

Obviously on City Mogul trench there is significant advantage of 1st turn. And if a 1st turn is played perfectly, it can be extremly improbable to overcome.
However, you can win from 2nd if you play it right and the other side does not play it perfectly.
I will stop there without going into what we might have done and what you could have done different

loutil wrote:

Fyrdraca wrote:

JPlo64 wrote:

loutil wrote:

Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result!

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...

Don't underestimate the advantage of being better at it too

I’d say we have the experience and record advantage over most in this game as well.

We are 23-6 as a team in all quads with these settings (clan games I’m in).
I’m 14-2 in poly 4
JP is 4-0

Going first is an advantage no doubt. But tribe and utilities positioning plays a much bigger role in the outcome than first turn.

I am sure your team is quite good on those settings. However, there was no skill involved in our game when you take out 3 of us in round 1. Positional drop and going first is all that was needed.

Again, of course on that game drop and 1st turn are significant. And when an elite team on that map gets advantageous drop, there is often nothing the other side can do.
However, an elite team can also overcome a bad drop, even vs another high level team if played just slightly better.
I also will not comment if there was something your side could have done in this game.

JPlo64 wrote:

Extreme Ways wrote:On the topic of maps like those... City Mogul. I've had this discussion a number of times among some higher ranking members, and I still feel like drop and start is way more important than skill. I am not the best at that map, never will be, but I do think that I can hold a close-to 50% winrate against those that are much better than I am. It's easy to play when "first turn" means +80 in autodeploys and the first to any major bonus, plus attacker's advantage on subs.

In our game JP and groovy realized that we had better shops setup and simply rushed to arsonist. I don't think what we did ever mattered.

Obviously on City Mogul trench there is significant advantage of 1st turn. And if a 1st turn is played perfectly, it can be extremly improbable to overcome.
However, you can win from 2nd if you play it right and the other side does not play it perfectly.
I will stop there without going into what we might have done and what you could have done different

If we could read the log in our T1, I would've played it slightly different. Your first turn can mean plenty of things depending on what start you have. And I agree that start is not everything, holding the right neighbourhoods also helps a ton. A first turn Y + P in your team anything is GG from the getgo.

JPlo64 wrote:

loutil wrote:

Fyrdraca wrote:

JPlo64 wrote:

loutil wrote:

Fyrdraca wrote:Cheers to TOFU and a good war.

Feels like this is the third year in a row we meet late in the tourney. Hoping for last year’s result!

First blood to FOED - Mosbi quads

Strange map and settings when you can be taken out before ever having a turn. In fact, you guys got 3 eliminations in round one. Going first is quite strong...

Don't underestimate the advantage of being better at it too

I’d say we have the experience and record advantage over most in this game as well.

We are 23-6 as a team in all quads with these settings (clan games I’m in).
I’m 14-2 in poly 4
JP is 4-0

Going first is an advantage no doubt. But tribe and utilities positioning plays a much bigger role in the outcome than first turn.

I am sure your team is quite good on those settings. However, there was no skill involved in our game when you take out 3 of us in round 1. Positional drop and going first is all that was needed.

Again, of course on that game drop and 1st turn are significant. And when an elite team on that map gets advantageous drop, there is often nothing the other side can do.
However, an elite team can also overcome a bad drop, even vs another high level team if played just slightly better.
I also will not comment if there was something your side could have done in this game.

, ok. I predicted your entire play in our game chat. We had no effective block once you had that absurd stack after 2 turns and nothing we could have done to prevent it.