THOTA vs. TSM (41-39) of 80 -- THOTA Prevails! [FINAL]

[nikola_milicki]

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Killing - not sure why my posting would be considered any more "trolling" than your brilliant analysis of my comments. I simply brought up a similar situation where myself and my teammates swiftly and equitably negotiated a solution to preserve the competitive balance of the game.
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too bad I didnt see this post earlier when I quoted u


so, ruben misses, and then u didnt miss even tho u prolly couldve negotiate something if u really wanted to, then laddida drops, and then yellow kills 6 lands and that includes their whole aussie bonus!!!

sorry dude but I cant help it to think ur full of shit cuz it took u 4 rounds to finally miss one



what is it that really wanna accomplish here? if u dont mind I'll have a guess - u are here to kiss their cute red behinds cuz u plan to leave ur clan and would very much like them to give u a tree in their jungle (horsemen got stables, not sure what monkis have, my guess is trees, big trees with tree houses? )

[the.killing.44]

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Killing - not sure why my posting would be considered any more "trolling" than your brilliant analysis of my comments. I simply brought up a similar situation where myself and my teammates swiftly and equitably negotiated a solution to preserve the competitive balance of the game.
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too bad I didnt see this post earlier when I quoted u


so, ruben misses, and then u didnt miss even tho u prolly couldve negotiate something if u really wanted to, then laddida drops, and then yellow kills 6 lands and that includes their whole aussie bonus!!!

sorry dude but I cant help it to think ur full of shit

I didn't even see that, nik, priceless. You waited two full rounds to miss your turn. During those very two rounds, the game was decided. Really, get over yourself.

[nikola_milicki]

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Killing - not sure why my posting would be considered any more "trolling" than your brilliant analysis of my comments. I simply brought up a similar situation where myself and my teammates swiftly and equitably negotiated a solution to preserve the competitive balance of the game.
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too bad I didnt see this post earlier when I quoted u


so, ruben misses, and then u didnt miss even tho u prolly couldve negotiate something if u really wanted to, then laddida drops, and then yellow kills 6 lands and that includes their whole aussie bonus!!!

sorry dude but I cant help it to think ur full of shit

I didn't even see that, nik, priceless. You waited two full rounds to miss your turn. During those very two rounds, the game was decided. Really, get over yourself.

check that again, he played 3 turns b4 he finally missed

[the.killing.44]

2008-06-20 09:01:12 - General Mojo: and I'd like to note for the record that I am only doing this bc 1) Ruben got screwed by CC

Good thing the game was comparable!

[Chao]

Killing - not sure why my posting would be considered any more "trolling" than your brilliant analysis of my comments. I simply brought up a similar situation where myself and my teammates swiftly and equitably negotiated a solution to preserve the competitive balance of the game.

Why? Because who gives a shit. You came in just as the heat between nikola and first was quieting down, and inserted your self-absorbed "oh, since my team and I did it under wholly different circumstances, if someone else doesn't, in a competitive challenge it "expos[es] people for who they truly are." It's now been said repeatedly that the arguments should die down until the e-ticket is replied to, and you just pop in here with your "oh my, we're saints" game link, quote the wall post, and say, "oh, I'm just trying to compare situations." You're judging people.

I believe it was Blitz and Seul who were discussing whether anyone would ever do something to remedy the competitive balance of a game. Because we did in circumstances similar to one at issue here, and a game involving TSM members no less, I thought it was relevant.

You obviously disagree. I apologize for upsetting you.

It's not the content that was the problem, it was your attitude and the other things you brought on besides an example to the discussion about what the other team would do. Though untimely, your link was relevant. However, what was wildly irrelevant and just obnoxious was the quoted wall post and your comments after the fact. I mean, judging people? Claiming it shows "people for who they truly are?" You're telling me this is adding to the discussion? Get over it, you're being an irritating twat who is just interjecting evidence to his personal sainthood.

(To GM)

.44 brings up an interesting point...

You may be wondering why I am so keen on attacking your logic. Although I respect the arguments you are making, I do not respect things like

...disappointing to see that THOTA has not acted similarly

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...its situations like these that expose people for who they truly are.

As far as I am concerned, your arguments are full of logical fallacies (which I've tried point out in my previous posts). And when you use your logic to take the proverbial 'moral high ground,' I feel the need to challenge your points.

So now you know why I keep asking all these annoying questions.

[General Mojo]

Chao - as to your points, I reiterate that they are valid. In the particular circumstances that you raise, I would be open to negotiating an equitable remedy if it was possible.

As to the rest of you, feel free to keep picking apart my posts and spew wild accusations as to my intentions. Also, feel free to ask lad & co. as to their thoughts regarding whether we resolved the issues swiftly and equitably.

In reality, all i was trying to do is add some perspective on (1) the particular circumstances at issue seeing as though we had experienced it in a previous game (which i believe it does), and (2) try to add some big picture perspective into the pissing match (which it obviously hasn't). It is apparently that it has failed and simply resulted in pissing people off. At this point, discussing it further is only going to further derail this thread, so I am going to refrain from doing so.

Again, good luck with resolving your issues.

[the.killing.44]

1. You came into the thread at entirely the wrong time
2. You proceeded to post a game link in which you missed a turn after Ruben did the same, as a direct result to CC failing. However, you waiting over two rounds after Ruben's miss to pull the "compensation," when the game had already been decided. Also, we have no evidence here (the lack of which, by the way, suggests it was a human error—though I'm not trying to rat on TSM for this) that it was CC's fault skill's turn was begun, or that he, or whoever began the turn, was unable to finish it.
3. In the same first post, you quoted a wall post that praised you for your actions. To what does this add (besides your self-esteem)?
4. A few posts later, and repeatedly in the thread, you posted that it "[was] disappointing to see that THOTA has not acted similarly" and that "situations like these … expose people for who they truly are." These quotes to solely unfairly rag on THOTA and not add anything of relevance to the conversation about "what would you have done?"

That's how I view it. You remain stuck-up about inserting "big picture perspective" to the thread. The "pissing match[es]" came only twice, from following the thread: firstly, between firstholliday and nikola, among others, which died down; secondly, revived by you and your untimely judgmental accusations.

[Chao]

You still haven't answered my questions...

Chao - as to your points, I reiterate that they are valid.

What of your own points then? If my points are valid, and they directly or indirectly contradict your points, then your points are..?

In reality, all i was trying to do is add some perspective on (1) the particular circumstances at issue seeing as though we had experienced it in a previous game (which i believe it does), and (2) try to add some big picture perspective into the pissing match (which it obviously hasn't).

This could have been done without asserting moral superiority. A post like "I believe the game should be replayed because...[insert logical argument], and to show you I believe what I said, here's an example from one of my games." would have sufficed.

Satirical comments comparing THOTA's reaction to yours are unnecessary. You have every right to express your opinion, but there is no need to judge others in the process.

At this point, discussing it further is only going to further derail this thread, so I am going to refrain from doing so.

Yeah, I see what you mean... but I'm trying to keep this discussion on topic. And no response qualifies as a concession in my book...

Sorry if I'm sounding overly-aggressive, but I am trying to make a point here. I have plenty of respect for you, and I don't mean in any way to insult you.

EDIT: .44 kinda beat me to it, but my points still stand.

[Seulessliathan]

who needs that family party on thursday if there is this lovely sit-in here with all the beautiful and friendly talk full of love and happyness?

[firstholliday]

who needs that family party on thursday if there is this lovely sit-in here with all the beautiful and friendly talk full of love and happyness?

yoohhhoooooooooooo are there cookies?

[comic boy]

Certainly a lot of pious crap being spouted on this thread
Did it occur to anybody that I just assumed that the time out was an internet connection problem, seen it happen many times and have lost at least a couple of games myself because of it, never asked for any of those games to be replayed though
Fact is that I thought at the time that ,though it was unfortunate, it was simply one of those things that happen, I did not consider forfeiting any more than I would if somebody had missed their turn completely.
Now that I am more fully aware of the situation I would be happy to replay the game if anything out of the ordinary was found to have occured, not seen a shred of evidence to that effect yet though.
In my opinion nobody on my team has done a damned thing wrong and I truly resent the implied criticism and outright slanders that have been thrown at us. I have known FH a long time and he knows full well that my integrity and honesty have never been in question, he should be thoroughly ashamed of some of the accusations he has made about sportsmanship Having said that I do realise that he has spent too many times rolling around the beer bars of Pattaya and it was inevitable that the Pox and Yaba would eventually take their toll.........Happy Xmas

[skillfull]

The game goes on, it will be count in the clan war as it is and all the monkis respect Thotas.Happy Xmas everybody

[jpcloet]

skillfull's account does not look like it was accessed from another area during Dec 18, 19 & 20. If it was an account sitter, a friend, or even skillfull himself that started that turn, that turn was done from skillfull's IP area.

Hope this helps to clarify......

[comic boy]

Waiting for some appologies and humble pie.........

[Seulessliathan]

skillfull's account does not look like it was accessed from another area during Dec 18, 19 & 20. If it was an account sitter, a friend, or even skillfull himself that started that turn, that turn was done from skillfull's IP area.

Hope this helps to clarify......

thank you for your help jp, i guess now we can move on, game will be played normal and count

[firstholliday]

Waiting for some appologies and humble pie.........

does not change a thing. Happy hollidays Comic

[comic boy]

Waiting for some appologies and humble pie.........

does not change a thing. Happy hollidays Comic

Actually it makes everything crystal clear.
1) The screw up was at your end, nothing to do with hacking or CC.
2) Our team has been proved right for not offering any compensation for your team's error.
3) All the accusations thrown at us were bullshit.
4) Anybody with the least integrity or decency would now conceed he was hasty to throw crap and his refusal to do so speaks volumes for the man and any clanmates who condone his behaviour in this sorry affair. Indeed it would appear most unsportsmanlikeat this point not to appologise

[firstholliday]

Waiting for some appologies and humble pie.........

does not change a thing. Happy hollidays Comic

Actually it makes everything crystal clear.
1) The screw up was at your end, nothing to do with hacking or CC.
2) Our team has been proved right for not offering any compensation for your team's error.
3) All the accusations thrown at us were bullshit.
4) Anybody with the least integrity or decency would now conceed he was hasty to throw crap and his refusal to do so speaks volumes for the man and any clanmates who condone his behaviour in this sorry affair. Indeed it would appear most unsportsmanlikeat this point not to appologise

omg... does it really makes a difference who pressed the button..Anyway. Sorry comic...

[comic boy]

Now we are all buddies again.......spank me

[Blitzaholic]

Ill say this at least this thread has kept me entertained during work today. Made my day fly by pretty fast lol.

me too laddida, I enjoy coming in here at times reading up.


I wake up with coffee and the Thota vs Tsm posts, this is better than most news channels.

[Blitzaholic]

i did ask earlier but i think it got swamped under a deluge of comments... has an e-ticket been submitted yet? if something anomalous shows up it's not like we're going to to tell you guys to suck it up. i agree 100% with george's post and I can't see how there can be any other side to this debate. if it's a hack or a major bug then we replay, if it's anything else then game continues as it is. i'm pretty sure you'll find the rest of the clan willing to replay it with no questions asked if the mods report something suspicious.

and nik - shoosh

I hear you khaz, but, I have talked with many on CC and I have not heard of anyone having problems on that date and time with cc problems, many on cc took turns during that time, no one report anything in bugs or nothing. So, I also agree with myself, lol, and george, the most likely scenario is a Tsm member took the turn, I think some know this, therefore, we should move on.



Chances of a major bug during that time, when no other had one? 0%

Chances of a thota member hacking into skill's account and taking his turn? 5%
highly unlikely and may even be impossible unless skill gave a thota member his pw? but, why wouldn't they just sabotage all his games? makes no sense.

Chances of a Tsm member taking the turn? 95%

[firstholliday]

Now we are all buddies again.......spank me

Pay me first bitch

[Blitzaholic]

Friends of TSM, I do not want to argue about this, I respect you all very much, I really do, most of you know this already. The bottom line is RESPONSIBILITY and all are for their own password and their turns. You cannot expect others to be irresponsible to make up for the one already, this makes no sense. It is like any sport, can you imagine in football a team accidently calls a timeout and the ref charges them a timeout and the coach and team gets mad because they did not want the timeout, it was a mistake/ Then that team asks the other team to call a timeout for their team to make it fair???

You all know how stupid that sounds right? It would never happen in any game nor sport. I am not trying to be mean here, but, rather rational and logical. another example could be this, I was late for work today and I got in trouble, and I say to my c-worker, can you please be late tomorrow so you can be in trouble also. Chances are the co-worker is going to say to the tardy dude "Get Bent".

just a side note, sorry to prove you wrong Blitz, but sometimes players behave like that : Game 1582987

seul there is an exception to the rule like most thing in life, however, it is NOT the norm. I think laddida, khaz and george agreed with my earlier post on this matter.

[Blitzaholic]

Be civil, people...

nik & first, you guys aren't getting anywhere with your baiting...

As for GM:

Fair enough, but its situations like these that expose people for who they truly are.

What are you trying to accomplish with that statement? (Or what point are you trying to get across?) It sounds like a bait to me...

It is fairly evident from the game that something unfortunate happened during Skillful's turn which upset the competitive balance of the game...it is clearly obvious that a mistake was made since the guy didn't even deploy his troops...

Agreed, but...

For me, it is a no brainer to do what you can to remedy the competitive balance, because taking advantage of another team's misfortune ruins an otherwise healthy competitive game environment.

So Mojo, you are saying if skill or any other monki logged on accidentally started the turn without realizing it, and logged off, they deserve a replay? (Not saying that actually happened; just a hypothetical scenario).

So if skill had misclicked and it had resulted in an obvious misdeployment, should THOTA compensate them for that?

If skill had attacked a teammate (and the move was clearly unintentional, should the next THOTA player attack a teammate as well?

Not trying to be patronizing... I just want to hear your opinion is all.

maybe nik and 1st will have another 80 game war on the battlefield to resolve it.

[Seulessliathan]

.....It would never happen in any game nor sport.....

sic

seul there is an exception to the rule like most thing in life, however, it is NOT the norm. I think laddida, khaz and george agreed with my earlier post on this matter.

if you think that exceptions are possible, why would you use the term "never" ? you would say it´s rare. Using the word "never" doesn´t make sense to me, so i thought you really meant no exception would be possible. I guess you are a native speaker, so it´s not a translation problem?