C.C. Finals THOTA vs. KoRT [27-33] Kort WINS ! [FINAL]

[ljex]

seriously....you need to find something more to do with your time.

I bet if you troll all of my games, you'll find even more where I didnt state it. But it also doesnt mean that I run around talking about how lucky someone is or how unjustified my loss was.

You are living up to yourself again Josko. Oh yeah, are you taking this personally? I made your quote an example of what many are doing on this site. I started to become one of them. So yeah, when I dont say "gg" it might be because I didnt think it was that great of a game, but I also didnt tell my opponent they were "lucky" to have won with a strategy that should only work 10% of the time. That is what makes people look like douchebags.

well, if they had to choose between several different strategies, one works in 9% of the time, other one works in 7% and third one works in 10%, then choosing the one with 10% is excellent skill. so, if you read my post, final conclusion of the post was "congrats on good plan", because of many possible strategies they chose they one with maximal % of success. no matter which % it was (around 10 in senate case), it was the most possible they had in that moment, so I wrote that they choose great, and their strategy was finally well awarded.

so, point of my post is not "you played totally bad and only dices that works in 10% of the times are deserved for your win". my post is with point "you chose great strategy because you choose to try with strategy which gave maximal % in that situation, which was about 10%. congrats for that".

You must realize that people view things differently and especially on CC where the site culture is to complain about dice any time you mention them people are going to assume you are complaining. I must say that when i read your first post i thought to myself what many others have already posted here that your comment was unnecessary. Also lets be honest you could have said, well done THOTA you chose the strategy that maximized your odds to win, you didnt have to include that that was only 10%...but you chose too. I fully understand why, you want to justify your loss both to yourself and others that you played well but dice failed you and i fully support every players right to do that in game chat. I complain about dice all the time because it makes me feel just a little bit better about losing attacks that the majority of times should be wins, but lets be honest bringing that into a public form is not something anyone should be doing. I don't think many people will ever see my complaints about losing a game vs AOC in the Clan League playoffs and as a result think any less of me, but you must be aware when you post complaints like this in the public you are going to get flack. You can say its not a complaint all you want but the fact that you included their chance to win the game makes it one in the eyes of many. Learn to not discredit others wins/strategy in public forms and you will not end up in so many arguments like you do now.

[Dako]

Every joke has a part of joke in it. So whatever you rephrase your words later or explain their meaning - the first thing you said is the most important thing to most of the people on this site. And yes, English is not your native language but you speak it quite well so it doesn't count that "oh, my English is bad, sorry".

[trapyoung]

And yes, English is not your native language but you speak it quite well so it doesn't count that "oh, my English is bad, sorry".

In his defense, I find his English pretty fantastic considering it's not his native tongue and he usually has to speak with a foot muffling most of his words

[Rodion]

Come on, this Josko bashing party is getting ridiculous. The idea that Josko discredit others for their wins is easy to come up with when people take all his compliments and spin them into backhanded ones. It also appears Josko's remarks are the only ones that interpretors tend to spin into something bad, even though some from THOTA could be just as easily spun. As an example I could mention one that was posted 2 pages ago stating we used up all our miracles in batch 1. The idea that we only managed to open a 13-7 lead due to using all our "miracle credits" could be offending at the very least, yet nobody questioned the person's sportsmanship/politeness/elegance. While I personally can understand that that comment might not have been ill-natured, the fact is it could have been easily perceived as such by several people, yet nobody was here to bash. That's what you native english speakers would call "two weights and two measures" and it leads me to the conclusion that big part of the reason why Josko is not seen as a people's favorite from the PR standpoint is the way you incessantly try to throw mud at his name.

[khazalid]

Well to be as impartial as possible, one would have to say that on most occasions it has been deserved.

Equally, the recent posts here have been slanderous without merit. I like the odd dice whinge myself, and nothing I've seen from anyone in KoRT has been over and above a typical venting. The senate game in question was indeed a lucky win (albeit the type of luck you only get if you're good enough to make it, as josko conceded in his post). As such, I think merely stating so is perfectly acceptable under the circumstances. I'd have done the same had the situation been reversed.

[Ace Rimmer]

In this case Rodion, I think it's the fact that jackal tried to make a non-antagonizing comment towards josko, who immediately responded rudely. If someone manages to piss off a large section of people, it's usually a problem that person has, not everyone else. Very few people can look at themselves and see that though.

[comic boy]

Come on, this Josko bashing party is getting ridiculous. The idea that Josko discredit others for their wins is easy to come up with when people take all his compliments and spin them into backhanded ones. It also appears Josko's remarks are the only ones that interpretors tend to spin into something bad, even though some from THOTA could be just as easily spun. As an example I could mention one that was posted 2 pages ago stating we used up all our miracles in batch 1. The idea that we only managed to open a 13-7 lead due to using all our "miracle credits" could be offending at the very least, yet nobody questioned the person's sportsmanship/politeness/elegance. While I personally can understand that that comment might not have been ill-natured, the fact is it could have been easily perceived as such by several people, yet nobody was here to bash. That's what you native english speakers would call "two weights and two measures" and it leads me to the conclusion that big part of the reason why Josko is not seen as a people's favorite from the PR standpoint is the way you incessantly try to throw mud at his name.

What you have to realise is that we didn't just get together and decide to pick on him, there are good reasons for the widespread antagonism. I played one game against him where the drop , turn order and one sided dice conspired to make it a very quick loss for our team. This happens often of course and one simply bites one lip , announces good game and moves on . not good enough for Josko though. He felt it right and proper to boast about how good he was on the map and pin our loss squarely on the fact that our tactics were terrible and his wonderful , not conceeding for one minute that his team had the clear advantage from the start.
You have played a fair few games with me recently, have you ever seen me whinge and whine , no because I have learnt that good and bad luck balances out so there is no point banging on about it. Josko seems to think that he is so talented that any loss must be bad luck, his ego seems to demand constant validation , it is not a recipe for popularity either on this site or indeed in real life.

[#1_stunna]

I am a picture type of guy...

[josko.ri]

I think it's the fact that jackal tried to make a non-antagonizing comment towards josko, who immediately responded rudely.

yes, calling me for bad fairplay and not congrats opponents for wins, while I congrated in every game in this challenge that I lost and jackal congrated in only 1 of 4 game that he lost is very non-antagonizing indeed.

He felt it right and proper to boast about how good he was on the map and pin our loss squarely on the fact that our tactics were terrible and his wonderful , not conceeding for one minute that his team had the clear advantage from the start.

my comment in ireland game was after khaz's comment that that is pretty luck based map. if he has right to say his opinion that map is pretty dice based, then why I shouldnt say my opinion that strategy is 60% and dice 40% on that map?

You have played a fair few games with me recently, have you ever seen me whinge and whine

I didnt saw whinge and whine from you, but I saw from you calling other players retards, pricks, coming to other games and calling player from opponent team boring, mentioning other player's mother in negative contest in game chat(!!!). really, sometimes it would be better to whine and whinge that to show so unsportmanship like it was shown from you.

about my arrogance, maybe I may conclude here and write, so everyone can read it, that not only good chosen strategy from thota, but also some our mistakes in senate game (realizing one turn too late that they are going to kill me and not foxy) caused our lost.
is that also so arrogant by me when I wrote that mistakes was done by my team? (not the first time to write mistakes of my own team, I also wrote it in poker game vs TOFU)

[RiskTycoon]

what i want to say.... i don't think i should

[comic boy]

These ' players ' that I insulted Josko, would you care to name then , because I only remember crossing swords with you . In fact all the aggro on this thread and in the various game chats seems to centre on you, do you not see a pattern , are you really so devoid of humility that you cant accept that you are the problem

[josko.ri]

These ' players ' that I insulted Josko, would you care to name then , because I only remember crossing swords with you . In fact all the aggro on this thread and in the various game chats seems to centre on you, do you not see a pattern , are you really so devoid of humility that you cant accept that you are the problem

the only problem with me is that I answer with arguments when someone wrong accuse me for something. as people doesnt often have anti-arguments then they start to come here and multiply posts against me. it is normal that nowadays 10 loud posts take much more attention than one argumented post.
I wonder how nobody mentioned me in our war vs Empire, if I am so big problem? I was also there whole war but lot of Empire members even didnt mention me. answer is simple, there were a ton of fair players from opposite clan, and nobody didnt make anything to wrong accuse or gouge anyone from opposite clan. the best challenge I ever had, if only everyone is like Empire.

[comic boy]

Jeremiah 5 : 21

[Blitzaholic]

Rome is ours barring a miracle

That same miracle that flipped Senate quads?

If I were a cow I wouldn't mind the 1 game miracle. Then again... I'm not a cow.

I fell out of my chair and spilt my soda!

Game 8293313

Thota wins


that was a well fought game fella's

yep, nice fought. dice served you a lot in comeback, but not everyone would even come to that idea of even trying that kill with about 10% of success, so congrats for great plan

P.S. It was closer to 25% not 10%. We play to win!


Hi, my name is Blitz, I am an aggressive mofo!

[Lubawski]

I wonder how nobody mentioned me in our war vs Empire, if I am so big problem? I was also there whole war but lot of Empire members even didnt mention me. answer is simple, there were a ton of fair players from opposite clan, and nobody didnt make anything to wrong accuse or gouge anyone from opposite clan. the best challenge I ever had, if only everyone is like Empire.

Let's turn this in to a "Why I like EMPIRE" thread.

[jj3044]

I wonder how nobody mentioned me in our war vs Empire, if I am so big problem? I was also there whole war but lot of Empire members even didnt mention me. answer is simple, there were a ton of fair players from opposite clan, and nobody didnt make anything to wrong accuse or gouge anyone from opposite clan. the best challenge I ever had, if only everyone is like Empire.

Let's turn this in to a "Why I like EMPIRE" thread.

+1

[lord voldemort]

lets get it going

[Rodion]

In this case Rodion, I think it's the fact that jackal tried to make a non-antagonizing comment towards josko, who immediately responded rudely. If someone manages to piss off a large section of people, it's usually a problem that person has, not everyone else. Very few people can look at themselves and see that though.

Rude? Let's see...

Josko's answer to Jackal had 2 parts.

1st part was merely an explanation of what Josko meant in his former post (the one adressed to BW). I didn't find it rude at all.

2nd part is Josko proving (attention to the word I used: "proving") Jackal made a false statement when he tried to imply Josko was a poor sport. Is that Josko's rude response? Was he wrong in showing the falseness of the statement? Another form of asking this is: "if someone writes a paragraph implying something negative about you and there is a false statement in that paragraph, should you take the hit or defend yourself by pointing the lie"? One could say Jackal's false statement was not relevant to the issue being discussed, but then why did he bring that up to begin with? And why didn't anyone say "hey, this time the guy is just bringing truth to light, let's not bash him this one time"? Or "hey, Jackal, you can't lie, have your bluff called and then ignore that fact to self-righteously claim the guy who called your bluff is a troll/douchebag"?

Jackal, I didn't have any intention of taking a shot at you. Hopefully, you didn't feel attacked by my arguments.

What you have to realise is that we didn't just get together and decide to pick on him, there are good reasons for the widespread antagonism. I played one game against him where the drop , turn order and one sided dice conspired to make it a very quick loss for our team. This happens often of course and one simply bites one lip , announces good game and moves on . not good enough for Josko though. He felt it right and proper to boast about how good he was on the map and pin our loss squarely on the fact that our tactics were terrible and his wonderful , not conceeding for one minute that his team had the clear advantage from the start.
You have played a fair few games with me recently, have you ever seen me whinge and whine , no because I have learnt that good and bad luck balances out so there is no point banging on about it. Josko seems to think that he is so talented that any loss must be bad luck, his ego seems to demand constant validation , it is not a recipe for popularity either on this site or indeed in real life.

Comic, I have played 2 meaningful games with you and I have no complaints about how you (or any of your teammates in those 2 games) behaved.

Is that the Ireland triples game with Commander? I thought we had all that solved between pages 15 and 17?

Now, seriously. Josko has his way of communicating and I understand how the Ireland comment (or the D-Day comment for TOFU) caused hostility between several people and Josko. The problem is that this hostility is being used ad eternum to bash Josko, even when he is right! (see khaz's opinion of how Josko's Senate comment was perfectly fine or when Josko proved - beyond any doubt - Jackal used a false statement when the latter tried to make the former look bad)

Finally, analyse this: if that hostility leads people into spinning Josko's comments to make him the bad guy even when he is right and other people keep accepting that due to that same old hostility, he will always be viewed as the bad guy, meaning that hostility will never wear out. You see, the hostility feeds itself and there is nothing Josko can do about it to ever become free. That is just plain wrong.

[jackal31]

he will always be viewed as the bad guy, meaning that hostility will never wear out

Rodion,
I can handle the shot. But here is my question, if this guy continues to say things with the reputation he has, then why cant he learn to close his mouth?
In addition, if the need arises to open it, things like "good game, you played very well" so something other than "good game, your dice helped you in this one" doesnt get blown out of proportion.

Thats all.

[Chariot of Fire]

TOFU-KORT thread. 10 pages of very good banter, friendly rivalry and dollops of humour. Get to page 11 and Bruce made a 6-3 prediction to which I had replied:

I'd be hard-pressed to pick a clan that is playing a superior strategy - this is what happens when seasoned pros face-off - but I'll be bold enough to say we drew the short straw in the good fortune department (someone had to I guess, so I'm not bitching about it and I also believe what goes around comes around.....and there's a way to go yet).

But a majority of starts to KoRT (esp in the games where 1st turn is very beneficial, e.g. the 1v1s, Iraq, 2 x Supermax, New World, D-Day) and some truly awful dice (Benelux & East Hemi) have swung this first rubber 13-7 in KoRT's favour by my reckoning.

But hey, that's just a three game swing in a worst-case scenario, so I remain optimistic

Agree with Bruce.....I think it's gonna be close as we approach the finish line.

Pretty innocuous stuff, kept within the spirit of how things had been going along and with an air of optimism for the long road ahead. But here's the reply I got from josko:

lol, again fortune comments, btw you have 11 starts and we have 9 starts, so that comment really wasnt needed. you didnt mention other 1v1 where dako had 3 starts while masli had 2, feudal epic where 1st start is probably the biggest advantage than any other map, and the games where we had awful dice (AoM, FC). you only mention your bad luck (which is not so bad), but NOBODY ever mentioned your playing mistakes and commented critical about yourselves playing. for example, Game 7511960, my comment about bad turn from red, or last one turn from blue- especially bad fort and left me with 12 regions when it was possible to put me down to 11. that is only example from my game as I noticed that, but probably similar mistakes happens in other games also. nobody speaks about that, but everybody likes to speak about fortune.

And from this point on everything went into freefall. The rest is history. And I've lost count of the number of games where josko has complained about the dice, yet he takes umbrage at the slightest hint of such from anyone else.

So Rodion....no-one actually spins josko's comments. All they need do is throw them back in his face and highlight the ceaseless hypocrisy.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=442&t=123426&start=150

His latest classic was to butt into the Conqueror's Cup II thread and accuse TOFU of being late creating their games vs TSM in the Clan League (obviously after having obsessively checked via Game Finder to see what we were doing) whilst completely ignorant of the fact TSM had not been given game creation privileges and were unable to comply with the deadline on their side. Was an apology forthcoming? Was it hell.

All he sought to do was stir up trouble and controversy, and he does it time and time again. Please don't try and tell me so many detractors are wrong or misguided.

[josko.ri]

@ COF: I already discussed about that thing vs TOFU and conclusion is written in page 17 of this thread. here is just final sentence:

my attitude is obviosly different than TOFUs, if anyone find any my playing mistake, I would be thankful that he/she says it, the only thing I can get from that is improving my strategy. from the other side, the same thing you consider like "attack" on you.

so, when i realized that no others are like me, and that writing playing mistakes in public cause negative feelings to your clan, I apologized in public, and didnt write any new play mistakes. you never apologize for anything that you do, including calling me "cretin, moron, josko.ritard", which is much worse behaviour that writing "you make some mistake in playing".
about saying that you were late in playoff games, if I saw that games were not created 3 days after deadline, according to common sense, it was lating. you answered which was reason of lating (which doesnt change the fact that lating was already done) and it was solved, so why I should apologize? lating was occured, so my statement was true. the other side of medal is reason for lating, which was unbiased. if you apologized for everytime when you said wrong information accusing me, on which I answered with correct information, it would be needed one whole thread just for your apologies.
for example this:

And I've lost count of the number of games where josko has complained about the dice, yet he takes umbrage at the slightest hint of such from anyone else.

one of the "wrong accusing" me is also this. if you can find a single game(here is repeat if you dont understand good: A SINGLE GAME) in our war where I complained about dices from my team, I would be thankful that you give game number. of course, you will not find game where I complained about dices because I didnt do so
as zero is very easy number to lose in count, I dont wonder how did you lost count of number of games where I complained about dices. from the other side, you were the one who very often complained about your bad dices, trolling game chats with that. you complained about first start luck for KORT on the time when it was 11-9 for TOFU in starts (!!!), while nobody from KORT have ever wrote a single complaint about final 38-22 for TOFU in starts. enough to consider who was complaining side in our war, even on the time when number of the first starts were in your favor

once again (for the case you forgot), can you quote a single game where I wrote a complain about my bad luck to prove that your stetement quoted above is true?

[keyborn]

THOTA Wins Iberia 8295313

18-18

[Leehar]

THOTA Wins Iberia 8295313

18-18

Yay, something to talk about on-topic. Thota's tied it up!

[Lubawski]

From what is left, looks like 20-20 at the end of the round.

[lord voldemort]

again with the pissing contest josko..
just give it a rest...we are all sick of it...
look i have nothing against u or lort. but im/everyone else is seriously sick of the bs out of your mouth