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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby eddie2 on Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:34 pm

Lol i know ha funny thing was this time i actually told the departments 1 hour before he done it.and we all watched it happen only problem is cds think it is ok because cowboyz had not been online for 15 hours and the map was jamaica2nd round his miss could of made us attack. But the strat for the map is easy and could of been played at that time.merch is in the game and experianced coyboy only had a couple of shots to take when he was online. But decided to leave it for a sitter to playit is this kind of thing that brought the 2 hour rule to us. And kort are one of the guilty clans that caused it. But they seem to of found a loophole to get out of it. Which is not fair on the rest of us.
Ow and ps nmic i cannot be that bad we got offered another war this afternoon. From another top end clan.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby Keefie on Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:19 pm

Well HH have played AKA and Eddie was running it for them. I found him to be very easy to deal with.

Play with a straight bat and Eddie is a pussycat.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby Shannon Apple on Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:35 pm

eddie2 wrote:so plz carry on because at the end of it i know i have done the right thing for aka and possibly the clan world in showing how nasty and ugly kort can actually be...

Actually, from conversations I've had with respectable people on CC, people have said they wish never to be in a war with AKA with you as leader. People are enjoying the drama though lol. I think you are damaging yourself more than us, but do keep up the day job. You really are doing awesome work.


Now, who's for jaffa cakes? Since this thread seems to love them, I went and stocked up.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby eddie2 on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:06 pm

Shannon Apple wrote:
eddie2 wrote:so plz carry on because at the end of it i know i have done the right thing for aka and possibly the clan world in showing how nasty and ugly kort can actually be...

Actually, from conversations I've had with respectable people on CC, people have said they wish never to be in a war with AKA with you as leader. People are enjoying the drama though lol. I think you are damaging yourself more than us, but do keep up the day job. You really are doing awesome work.


Now, who's for jaffa cakes? Since this thread seems to love them, I went and stocked up.


Lol shannon respectable people. If they are that then it would be a nice clean war, where i would not have to say about it.. 6 times not 1 or 2 but 6 times kort members have not followed the rules for clans or this event. So if these respectable players agree with the cheap underhand and exact way a clan should not act. Then they are not what you say
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby freakns on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:22 pm

Keefie wrote:Well HH have played AKA and Eddie was running it for them. I found him to be very easy to deal with.

Play with a straight bat and Eddie is a pussycat.

when we were in war against AKA, ive dealt with Raz who was nothing short of true gentleman so i was surprised to see him having negative comments about KORT(i thing everyone will agree it surely isnt his style, and he has preached for let things go and just go on with the war afterwords...). to me this is a proof KORT hasnt done everything by a book.
however, eddie has searched, bring up and eventually accused KORT for everything(including assassination of Kennedy i believe). he didnt let go not even the slightest thing, and no matter how irrelevant it was, he was making the big deal out of it. god knows im not the easiest guy to deal with, but out of some 10 wars Otpisani were in, the only one i had problem with was against FOED when they were dragging start of round two to oblivion(they were more then 2 weeks late, but i do not believe it was to gain any advantage), so in my experience, eddie is the one here who is giving his best to make fuss about anything he can think off(i dont think KORT is without fault, but eddie is doing everything he can to blow it out of proportion)

but hey, its fun to read all this blablablabla... some pictures of naked girls would make it even better, but lets not ask for too much :D
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:34 pm

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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby Shannon Apple on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:42 pm

Eddie, being late for games didn't give anyone any advantages. Someone taking a turn before someone runs out, did not gain the clan any advantage, not any more than had the person taken the turn themselves.

I wish it was Razor who was in charge of this war, because like freakns said, he's a gentleman. He doesn't run around looking for bizarre reasons to report people. Sure, I could be on 15 hours before my turn was up, make a post in the game asking what we are going to do, go to work, get delayed, and not get back to take my turn. Does this make me a bad person? You are saying here that it does. I wonder how many times AKA have had to help out one of their members. I honestly hope you guys in AKA never come up against someone like eddie in a war because he really is headache inducing.

I will not lie, eddie, I do not like you. I did before this war, even when you were abusing the CDs I was thinking "he's a wee bit crazy, but not all that bad," but now I know what your true colours are. You are a horrible little man who will go to any length to blacken the character of other players. Yeah it's just a game and you might feel it's okay to mess with the feelings of people online because you don't know them in real life, but they are still real people.

and lol Bruce.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby Nicky15 on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:43 pm

eddie2 wrote:make that infrindgement 6..

nmic coyboyz was online earlier signing up to games and playing shots. game was jamaica.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=12837487

lol you just got a warning for it. in the das scholls game then do it again


Lets look at these infringements.
eddie2 wrote:.

so 5 times they have broke event rules or clan rules and still no forfeits of games this is a joke.

eddie2 wrote:1)home game sign up round 1 (kort players delaying signing up to get advantage of screen shot)


No violation here. There were no rules for this You should not have joined the games so quickly. If Kort did do this then it is only because you gave them the opportunity to. No one to blame but yourself here, you had 5 days to join Korts home games. No one forced you to join the games straight away. It is worth noting that you did not exchange AKAs home games until the 27th not the 26th as Kort did, and you sent your games with only invites not fully joined. Kort also exchanged their games invited but on the correct date.

eddie2 wrote:2) signing up to away games 2 days late.
We never actually made it to two full days. After the Cds were informed Kort joined the games within 24 hours as requested. Enforcing the rules as written no violation occurred. Most games started a matter of hours late, a few started up to a day and a half late.

eddie2 wrote:3)sitting abuse in the poland game (because no fog rule.)

There were 18 hours from the last turn taken by the player, this is legal in terms of Clan sitting rules, and emergency cover
eddie2 wrote:4)signing up late to kort home games round 2.


One invite expired, One game game started 12 hours late at the very most as far as i am aware. This is a very trivial matter. This is not abusive, this has not given Kort an advantage and has not caused a delay to the competition.
eddie2 wrote:5)sitting abuse in the das game.


cowboyz has yet to come online and be able to defend himself until he does this will not be finalised. The evidence has been considered and it has been determined by the multi hunters and the Cds that this turn was not covered for the intent of gaining a strategical advantage, and no benefit was gained.

eddie2 wrote:make that infrindgement 6..

nmic coyboyz was online earlier signing up to games and playing shots. game was jamaica.


As far as Clan sitting rules go, this has been cleared and noted. There were 15 hours at least in between turns and this falls under emergency sitting guidelines. Unless other evidence is provided by the multi hunters it is closed.

Now that just leaves 2 from 6. One is extremely trivial, and one didn't actually provide Kort with any advantage and wasn't deemed abusive as such. It had no impact on this tie whatsoever.

Let us categorically state every clan will be treated the same regardless of who they are or where they are ranked.

There have been many minor delays in many ties, and these have been far worse in comparison to the ones KORT have caused, nobody has received a punishment. When we add it all up I believe its 4 games delayed between 3 and 36 hours. Over the entire tie. This is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

By your own admission you have purposely and actively sort every opportunity you could to beat Kort "off the field" This list is just a snippet of what you have actually accused them of and have been subsequently been disproved. This has to be one of the worst displays of poor sportsmanship we have ever witnessed. You have drained the CD resources in regards to work hours, leaving us little time to do anything else or get any of our regular duties completed. For me personally i have had to give up at least 10 hours above and beyond what i normally put in dealing with your spurious reports.

You have misinterpreted our rules to try and gain an advantage and screamed abuse when we haven't let you. You expect us somehow use our rules by your deliberate misinterpretation to punish Kort when we have not punished anyone else for worse time delays. Why on earth would we do that, it's the fairness that needs to happen

Just to clarify we want this comp to run to time. We want everyone to try their very best not to be late otherwise we will be even later starting next year. Our rules are there to prevent the significant delays like the ones we had involving Dynasty last year. That incident was the only time a punishment had become necessary but even then it was resolved amiably. We have these rules to prevent these significant delays. Enforcing them after a few hours or a day is not appropriate. As stated we will be a little lenient because we understand that this is a game and real life has a habit of getting in the way of everyone's best intentions.

We want a fair tournament without abuse. And that is what our rules are for. Minor time delays and especially the ones caused by KORT are utterly insignificant. A day or two is perfectly permissible as part of the leniency we try to uphold for every clan. Forfeits & punishments should always remain a last resort if there's willful disregard for the rules. As with any clan war everything needs to be done to resolve matters amicably and not chase penalties because it obviously shows bad faith in playing the war in a good spirit. Kort are not without fault but 99% of the issues have been extremely trivial that should have been resolved without CD input in an amicable manner.

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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby Foxglove on Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:31 pm

Thank you, Nicky.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby ManBungalow on Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:29 pm

I would like to report an instance of KORT breaking the rules:

Game 12837503

2013-06-14 01:22:21 - ManBungalow: ManBungalow for ManBungalow

This sitting occurred with more than 12 hours left on the clock.

I suggest a public execution.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby cowboyz on Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:38 pm

Regarding niMic taking a turn for me(really can't believe this has turned into an issue), I work crazy hours and log in to play when I get a a few minutes to do so. If I can knock out all my turns great, if not I plan on getting them next time I log on. Sometimes I take turns from an iphone. Sometimes I don't get a chance to log back on.
I don't really keep up with the drama on CC, obv there is no way this is going to give us any kind of advantage. niMic knows my pw for just this reason, he saw I had under 30min left to take a turn so he jumped on a took it and announced it in game chat.

I already received a PM about it and cool, that's that. Life happens. CC is just a game. GL in the rest our matches.



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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby eddie2 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:36 am

eddie2 wrote:1)home game sign up round 1 (kort players delaying signing up to get advantage of screen shot)

No violation here. There were no rules for this You should not have joined the games so quickly. If Kort did do this then it is only because you gave them the opportunity to. No one to blame but yourself here, you had 5 days to join Korts home games. No one forced you to join the games straight away. It is worth noting that you did not exchange AKAs home games until the 27th not the 26th as Kort did, and you sent your games with only invites not fully joined. Kort also exchanged their games invited but on the correct date.


maybe also worth noting that there was no game exchange dates in this thread something you pulled other wars up for but not this 1... and let me explain it was said that we would do it over that weekend(but no date was ever confirmed.), which look at your calender it was a long weekend.(bank holiday monday.) so i had planned to make them on the monday when recieving korts games i thought hold on and went and checked the threads seen there was a deadline of 26th(again why was this not in thread and bruce pulled for not doing it). i went into live chat and bruceswar asked for games asap which i quickly made the games and you are wrong nicky they did not even have invites when i gave them to bruce... because knowing i was late i gave him them straight away then started sending the invites... and wait again i am to blame for signing aka players up in the time limit and kort members delaying signing up to there games. aka members signed up asap because i asked them to due to running late.
eddie2 wrote:2) signing up to away games 2 days late.

We never actually made it to two full days. After the Cds were informed Kort joined the games within 24 hours as requested. Enforcing the rules as written no violation occurred. Most games started a matter of hours late, a few started up to a day and a half late.


nicky 1 and a half days in late terms means into the 2nd day = 2 days late. bruce left sending his invites till the last possible min when there was no chance the teams would sign up to them i think it was 20 mins before the deadline from what i can remember. and then the invitations expired and no new invitations were sent for 5 hours and then that was only done because i highlighted it.
eddie2 wrote:3)sitting abuse in the poland game (because no fog rule.)


There were 18 hours from the last turn taken by the player, this is legal in terms of Clan sitting rules, and emergency cover


was this a turn or was it a speed game that he played. opening round of poland trench quick easy 2 sec shot... and in extreme ways own words.
2013-06-03 15:21:47 - Extreme Ways: Oops...Forgot about this one. Thanks Bruce

you see i am watching most games to see how aka are getting on and one thing that keeps on popping up is how low kort let the clock get. there is no offense in doing it, but you need to make sure you take your own turn.

eddie2 wrote:4)signing up late to kort home games round 2.
One invite expired, One game game started 12 hours late at the very most as far as i am aware. This is a very trivial matter. This is not abusive, this has not given Kort an advantage and has not caused a delay to the competition.


again you say only 1 game but plz remember kort members were telling cds they were misinterpreting the rules and they did not have to have the games signed up to... a simple highlight in the pm and a sorry would of made this issue not happen.

as for the cowboyz sitting i will respond to that in another post.
By your own admission you have purposely and actively sort every opportunity you could to beat Kort "off the field" This list is just a snippet of what you have actually accused them of and have been subsequently been disproved. This has to be one of the worst displays of poor sportsmanship we have ever witnessed


when you play a war in a long event like this and cd's went with a style that was against a majority vote and put low ranked clans against top ranked clans then yes i will admit i will use the rules to help us win.. kort bruce and most of the clan world know what i am like and i am sure if we faced any other clan and they were running late they would drop me a pm to say so, which i would of more than happily of accepted and did actually say in this thread let me know acouple of times where bruce did not bother and continued doing it. but when a clan continues to do it and cannot drop a quick pm to say sorry then rules need to be inforced. maybe not for the first but for the rest.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby eddie2 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:53 am

cowboyz wrote:Regarding niMic taking a turn for me(really can't believe this has turned into an issue), I work crazy hours and log in to play when I get a a few minutes to do so. If I can knock out all my turns great, if not I plan on getting them next time I log on. Sometimes I take turns from an iphone. Sometimes I don't get a chance to log back on.
I don't really keep up with the drama on CC, obv there is no way this is going to give us any kind of advantage. niMic knows my pw for just this reason, he saw I had under 30min left to take a turn so he jumped on a took it and announced it in game chat.

I already received a PM about it and cool, that's that. Life happens. CC is just a game. GL in the rest our matches.


perfectly acceptable reason i am sure for the cd's...

you play all turns available when you can this would be accepted by myself if in the das scholls game.. you had not played 2 shots in this arms race game all within the time period of the das game
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=12786185

and like what you have just said and what site rules say you must take all turns yourself if you can... well this game proves you could of and was not due to a big game load and you admit you are short on time so you decided not to play that shot and leave it till later when you just admitted you might not have the time to get online. which therefore means that you decided not to play because someone else would play it for you...

and then after the warning was issued to you and i highlighted to nmic in this thread that he needs to check to see if you had been online he continues to sit again for you.. this time with 2 mod departments watching because i told them it was going to happen again in 1 hour.
so again you had been online during the time needed to take your shot you had picked what games you would play you did sign up to more games (when by your own admition you might not be available to take all shots) and you left a jamaica game that all you had to do was deploy to a sitter to do it for you. this is why all clans now have a strict set of sitting rules during wars to prevent.. and sorry but to me looks like you are abusing the 2 hour emergency rule. because your sitter is doing it in the last mins

ow and ps i was not going to respond to any of this until manbungalow decided to take the piss.

like yesterday sirsebstar calling all aka players retards..

like the day before kort players saying i used bad form in a rule that was not included in this war and was another breakdown by kort in communication.. that is what has caused all of this in this war korts lack of communication which was sorted when fishydance stepped in and you can ask her i was polite and we worked things out.... it was over and done with... then kort decide to start baiting and flaming me which made me kick off again.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby Dako on Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:18 am

I don't think eddie is calling for forfeits here, he is just unhappy how KORT handled this war. We don't have rules for formal warning in CCup so maybe this should be considered in the next edition.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:33 am

Dako wrote:I don't think eddie is calling for forfeits here, he is just unhappy how KORT handled this war. We don't have rules for formal warning in CCup so maybe this should be considered in the next edition.



You be wrong here. Eddie has asked for forfeits many times over. But putting that aside I can see some merit in having rules in place if things do go really bad for one clan and they are late joining games 2 weeks or something.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby eddie2 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:43 am

Dako wrote:I don't think eddie is calling for forfeits here, he is just unhappy how KORT handled this war. We don't have rules for formal warning in CCup so maybe this should be considered in the next edition.



lol funny thing is even if they did give us the forfeits for the late signing up i would not of accepted them because i like to win wars honestly. and do not think a full clan should be punshed by the actions of a few. but with the sign ups i should of been offered them and not given a warning about my conduct... and this can be proven in one of my very first wars i run. i cannot be arsed looking back but it was grim reapers via time if i can remember...

what kort also seem to forget is the good things i have done...

masli going to miss i done the work checked to see if he had been online then contacted kort to let them know because he had not been on.

one of aka players started to personally attack a kort member in a game chat to which i told him to stop when i first seen it in chat then he said something else so i sent this pm..
eddie2 wrote:for this...
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=12800642

dj will not be taking any further part in this war. i did warn him in chat to stop and will warn him about his conduct in game chat. this is one thing i will not tolerate in game chat from any aka player.


this was sent to all members of kort in that game.

then when me and fishy worked things out (which nearly broke down because josko was baiting in thread while we were doing it) i informed her that by the rules game due dates were posted in the thread aka sent the games on the 6th 3 days before due date and that they were going to expire soon she told me they had no way of getting the games signed upto in time so i told her to ask in thread for a extension and i would agree it (this was only so people would see there was a extension.)

then when that extension was running down i checked the games bruce had sent invites to 1 of the players was freemium so i contacted kort again(via fishy) and informed them of this and offered them another 24 hours. which was not needed because later that day the member got premium....

this was done because there was communication between the clans and shows that if bruceswar had communicated from the start non of these issues would of came up.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby denthefrog on Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:38 am

Dako wrote:I don't think eddie is calling for forfeits here, he is just unhappy how KORT handled this war. We don't have rules for formal warning in CCup so maybe this should be considered in the next edition.

did you not read nicky post?
and anyway mind your own business.
if you have some suggestions post them in CC4 thread not here to stir things up again
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby Nicky15 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:44 am

The conduct in this thread has been somewhat undesirable from some from both sides and from some who are not even involved in this war. All the issues have been explained and as of now all issues are resolved. There is no point in continually going over the same ground.

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Lets draw a line under it, lets please move on and see out this war in an amicable fashion. No more flames, trolls or baits please. I think this thread may hold the record for the most reported posts.

If anyone has any other issues please do not post them here, send them directly to a CD.

try and have fun ;)
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby HardAttack on Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:06 am

Nicky15 wrote:The conduct in this thread has been somewhat undesirable from some from both sides and from some who are not even involved in this war. All the issues have been explained and as of now all issues are resolved. There is no point in continually going over the same ground.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Lets draw a line under it, lets please move on and see out this war in an amicable fashion. No more flames, trolls or baits please. I think this thread may hold the record for the most reported posts.

If anyone has any other issues please do not post them here, send them directly to a CD.

try and have fun ;)


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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby eddie2 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:09 am

agreed.

so in case a kort member forgets to post in chat and i walked in on a convo last night in live chat....

i will let people know shannon apple is away for the weekend and will have her shots covered...... just so if any player forgets to post in game i will not have a issue because it is posted here... .
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby eddie2 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:50 am

Lol up to kort to agree but how about we archive this thread and start a new one. Put everything behind us. I will admit i have done some bad but so has kort.lets get a new thread for a new beginning.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby Dako on Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:06 am

That is quite a good idea to be honest. But I think you have to live with your skeletons and continue in this thread.
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Re: [CC4] KORT vs AKA 7-4

Postby fishydance on Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:09 am

eddie2 wrote:Lol up to kort to agree but how about we archive this thread and start a new one. Put everything behind us. I will admit i have done some bad but so has kort.lets get a new thread for a new beginning.


I rather like that idea. Pity it can't be done.
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