Conquer Club

• As part of the guide program for new players, encourage them to run their first few posts past their guide before posting

• I don't know if this happens already - the guide program happened after I joined - but does being a guide extend beyond gameplay? We see many C&A posts from new players that are simply due to ignorance of the rules or conventions, and these are sometimes responded to with mockery and/or sarcasm.

• Improve player retention and knowledge by not embarrassing or upsetting new players when they get slagged off for posting naive reports due to misunderstanding of the rules (eg settings, diplomacy, language and abuse) or rejected suggestions (eg resign button)
• Save mods' time in not having to deal with straightforward explanations
• NB The guide should not rule on possible multis or anything that needs noting or warning

clangfield wrote:

clangfield wrote:[*]Improve player retention and knowledge by not embarrassing or upsetting new players when they get slagged off for posting naive reports due to misunderstanding of the rules (eg settings, diplomacy, language and abuse) or rejected suggestions (eg resign button)

owenshooter wrote:

clangfield wrote:

give it up... you got duped by a lunatic and are now trying to turn this into some sort of "poor confused noob" campaign... aside from your personal investment in one thread that only you seem to be concerned with, this is not practical. many users never view the forums, never visit the forums, never post in the forums. less than 1% of CC users are active in the forums. so, how are you going to force new recruits to post in the forums, when it is clear that many users don't even USE or VISIT the forums? i think CC does a good job explaining the forums, especially the SUGGS and C&A, where forms exist to just fill out and submit. this is not a practical suggestion, because many people are not interested in the forums at all... also, don't most people that use the internet know how to use a forum or have at least seen a forum? no practical use for this, the black jesus deems this fodder for the junk heap...

clangfield wrote:[*]Improve player retention and knowledge by not embarrassing or upsetting new players when they get slagged off for posting naive reports due to misunderstanding of the rules (eg settings, diplomacy, language and abuse) or rejected suggestions (eg resign button)

again, this user was slagged off because of his abusive and homophobic/bigoted posts in game chat and in PM's to players... the only offense any of them had, was beating him.. you really are taking this single issue with this one single user a bit too far... you were duped, i'm sorry... but you were duped... suck it up, cupcake (as the old cc adage goes) and move on...-Jésus noir
-Jésus noir

_sabotage_ wrote:Very hard to engage new recruits in chat in the guide games. Maybe get 1/100 that will say anything at all.

I think a help or flag button would potentially be a better way to go about guiding the games. The flag gets sent out to guides and they can give tips, including use of forum.

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:then of you didnt have the license but needed to make a post you could spend some cc credits for a temp. permit.

plus it would bring in extra income for the site. which is the primary goal anyway.

i thonk this is the start of something good.

owenshooter wrote:

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:then of you didnt have the license but needed to make a post you could spend some cc credits for a temp. permit.

plus it would bring in extra income for the site. which is the primary goal anyway.

i thonk this is the start of something good.

wait... charge people to post in the forum? *snicker*... that is absolutely absurd... yes, let's make CC the only online gaming site where you have to pay to post OR you have do some 4 week class to post for free... the point of cc is it is a CASUAL GAMING SITE... maybe you have forgotten that... but hey, at a time when the numbers have plummeted from almost 30k to barely 10K, let's start turning this into a site that is no longer CASUAL... and your absurd assumption that if we do this, the post quality will somehow increase, is just asinine.. seems like you want some sort of censorship here to exclude post/posters that aren't up to your standards. what are the moderators for? back to the absurd money comment, less than 1% of CC users even visit the forums, so what kind of money are you going to generate? please tell me. throw out an estimate. please. it is laughable.

this entire thread is about one CC user getting duped by a troll and still beating that dead horse beyond death... there is no way you are ever going to have FORUM GUIDES to assist people with posting in the forums. you do realize this would have to be a 24 hour effort, due to all the time zones and countries involved with CC, right? i guess the site could just up the pay of the moderators to do this... oh... wait... VOLUNTEERS... this is a stupid suggestion that should already be buried under the waste bin...-Jésus noir

riskllama wrote:we should maybe start wiping the asses of new recruits, too.

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:

riskllama wrote:we should maybe start wiping the asses of new recruits, too.

yes. and yes. they should have point forgiveness in games too where they do not lose any points to a major or higher rank on any certain map until thay have played it five times. this way more new recruits will stay increasing the bottom line.

_sabotage_ wrote:

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:

riskllama wrote:we should maybe start wiping the asses of new recruits, too.

yes. and yes. they should have point forgiveness in games too where they do not lose any points to a major or higher rank on any certain map until thay have played it five times. this way more new recruits will stay increasing the bottom line.

I win 7 points off a new recruit and lose 45. This is a great idea, Williams, since I find it so hard to resist playing against anyone with a game up, and I definitely overall lose points playing the lower ranks. This would keep all majors from joining such games.

JamesKer1 wrote:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=471&t=2796

owenshooter wrote:so, please outline your 4 week mandatory course

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:

owenshooter wrote:so, please outline your 4 week mandatory course

well, it would be a 4 week course. that's 5 days a week, one hour a day.

week 1 would focus on defining what is offensive,
it would cover areas such as bigotry, and even simple name calling. (doo doo head, idiot f*ck face... etc.)

weeks 2 and 3 would cover positive approaches towards understanding the feelings of forum posters that may or may not be familiar with the English language or what proper procedures here at cc are. (such as filing a C&A report for example)

week 4 would cover the basic approach to reply towards a topic with a negative, but polite response that you may disagree with.
such as;
Bill; i rather quite enjoyed that 1v1 escalating game we played today jesse.
Jesse; thanks bill, i enjoyed it as well, but those gosh darn dice just would not give me a chance.
or;
stacey; as much as i enjoy this new layout, i just can't seem to get the dad gum settings right to my tastes.
jack; well stacey, you rascal. i like the layout, maybe we should get together and i can show you what i like about it.

this is the basic layout, a special 2 day section on anger management would be added to week 2 if the student was taking the class for a revoked license at any point.

now, i know what you are going to say. "but, there is noooo way i can afford to take an hour out of each day to take this class!"

so the solution to this would be to create Sensitivity Training Tokens. or STT's. these could be purchased for $2 a piece and be redeemed for one hours worth of class time. so say you just wanted to go straight into the forums you could simply purchase a 20 pack of STT's and slip straight in. but you better watch out, because the mods will be watching for any infractions and may revoke your license again. but there would be no limit to how many times you could take the course using STT's.

and say you no longer cared about posting in the forums anymore because of all the politeness. well, you could simply trade in your leftover STT's for a drab star pack. each STT would be worth 5 drab stars or a halloween pumpkin.

using cc bucks for a one time forum post would not affect your forum license. that would be considered a free pass. that way you could really let some frustration off from time to time and everyone would know that you at least paid a fine to do so. so that would make it alright.

owenshooter wrote:

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:

owenshooter wrote:so, please outline your 4 week mandatory course

well, it would be a 4 week course. that's 5 days a week, one hour a day.

week 1 would focus on defining what is offensive,
it would cover areas such as bigotry, and even simple name calling. (doo doo head, idiot f*ck face... etc.)

weeks 2 and 3 would cover positive approaches towards understanding the feelings of forum posters that may or may not be familiar with the English language or what proper procedures here at cc are. (such as filing a C&A report for example)

week 4 would cover the basic approach to reply towards a topic with a negative, but polite response that you may disagree with.
such as;
Bill; i rather quite enjoyed that 1v1 escalating game we played today jesse.
Jesse; thanks bill, i enjoyed it as well, but those gosh darn dice just would not give me a chance.
or;
stacey; as much as i enjoy this new layout, i just can't seem to get the dad gum settings right to my tastes.
jack; well stacey, you rascal. i like the layout, maybe we should get together and i can show you what i like about it.

this is the basic layout, a special 2 day section on anger management would be added to week 2 if the student was taking the class for a revoked license at any point.

now, i know what you are going to say. "but, there is noooo way i can afford to take an hour out of each day to take this class!"

so the solution to this would be to create Sensitivity Training Tokens. or STT's. these could be purchased for $2 a piece and be redeemed for one hours worth of class time. so say you just wanted to go straight into the forums you could simply purchase a 20 pack of STT's and slip straight in. but you better watch out, because the mods will be watching for any infractions and may revoke your license again. but there would be no limit to how many times you could take the course using STT's.

and say you no longer cared about posting in the forums anymore because of all the politeness. well, you could simply trade in your leftover STT's for a drab star pack. each STT would be worth 5 drab stars or a halloween pumpkin.

using cc bucks for a one time forum post would not affect your forum license. that would be considered a free pass. that way you could really let some frustration off from time to time and everyone would know that you at least paid a fine to do so. so that would make it alright.

again... CASUAL gaming site...-JN

_sabotage_ wrote:Very hard to engage new recruits in chat in the guide games. Maybe get 1/100 that will say anything at all.

I think a help or flag button would potentially be a better way to go about guiding the games. The flag gets sent out to guides and they can give tips, including use of forum.

clangfield wrote:

_sabotage_ wrote:Very hard to engage new recruits in chat in the guide games. Maybe get 1/100 that will say anything at all.

I think a help or flag button would potentially be a better way to go about guiding the games. The flag gets sent out to guides and they can give tips, including use of forum.

That's possible but I think this needs a bit of proactivity. You're relying on a new player to recognise that they need assistance, which some (perhaps most) may feel that they don't because the issue is sufficiently clear for them. It's not so much about use of the forum, as about eliminating posts (and increasing understanding of the issues in a positive and constructive way) that aren't actually cheating or abuse.
One would hope that the response from the guide would be mature and reasoned, rather than the puerile sarcasm or macho arrogance than can often greet them in the wider forum.

owenshooter wrote:

clangfield wrote:

_sabotage_ wrote:Very hard to engage new recruits in chat in the guide games. Maybe get 1/100 that will say anything at all.

I think a help or flag button would potentially be a better way to go about guiding the games. The flag gets sent out to guides and they can give tips, including use of forum.

That's possible but I think this needs a bit of proactivity. You're relying on a new player to recognise that they need assistance, which some (perhaps most) may feel that they don't because the issue is sufficiently clear for them. It's not so much about use of the forum, as about eliminating posts (and increasing understanding of the issues in a positive and constructive way) that aren't actually cheating or abuse.
One would hope that the response from the guide would be mature and reasoned, rather than the puerile sarcasm or macho arrogance than can often greet them in the wider forum.

please go into a certain number of guide games and post such posts as you are claiming occur. i play a great number of guide games and have yet to see anyone say anything mean or non-constructive to a new recruit. soooo, you are pretty much making an assumption that isn't in any way valid... you are making shit up that just isn't factual... as soon as you produce this data, i will agree with you. until then, you are creating data that doesn't exist, to make yourself appear to be correct in this inane quest that you are going on...-Jésus noir

GET 'EM CLANGFIELD!!!!

clangfield wrote:the puerile sarcasm or macho arrogance than can often greet them in the wider forum.

clangfield wrote:

owenshooter wrote:

clangfield wrote:

ohhhh... i am beginning to see your point... one troll got you, so now the entire site has to be restructured so you don't have to admit that you got fooled... ohhhhh, i get it...-Jésus noir

p.s.-at this point i find it comical that you think i am even fully reading your posts.. after being dismissed by admins in C&A, one would think you would have gotten the point...
battle on don quixote, i see few more windmills on the horizon!!!