Conquer Club

• Allow coding of conditional borders and bombardments that only work if you hold them at the start of your turn.

• Right now, conditional borders activate as soon as the required territories are captured, but bonuses and win conditions must be held at the start of your turn. But some conditional borders may be too powerful/important to allow them to be used without giving the opponents a chance to take it away.
• My suggestion is to allow them to be coded so that they do not activate until the start of your next turn. If you hold the requirements at the start of your turn, then the conditional borders will be available to you during that round.
• I would propose that the border be immediately closed if the required conditions are lost in the middle of a turn, as can happen in freestyle play. Though this could be open to discussion.

• This would add another strategic dimension to some maps.

koontz1973 wrote:This can already be done with transformations I believe. As you can place the transformation anywhere in the xml you can set it to activate for the next round.

The Official XML Guide wrote:Tranformation Process

Tranformation is the very first thing to execute on a Begin Turn action.

Go through each territory:

- Set Quantity = Initial value of armies on this territory

For the territory, execute the following process for each applicable Tranform in turn:
- Apply filters. If Tranform does not apply do nothing and skip to next tranform for this terit.
- Calulate Amount by choosing random number if range or setting as fixed amount
- if % is set, multiply Amount by Quantity/100
- If INC = "-" negate Amount
- If INC is set add Quantity to Amount
- set Quantity to Amount

After all Tranforms have executed for a territory:
- Quantity is rounded to the closest integer and set to a minimum of 1
- If Quantity has changed, set new army count and send log to game log.

Go to next Territory

degaston wrote:Do you know how to code my suggestion using transformations? (The border between A and B is only open when you hold C at the start of your turn.)

degaston wrote:Someone just posted a rough map idea that could use this capability. Is there any way to do what he wants using transformations?

thenobodies80 wrote:...Conditional borders (and everything related to them) are checked and activated in the exact moment you hold it.
Instead you want it works like objectives (winning conditions)... honestly this scared me a lot considering that after so much time winning conditions appear to many people something that should happen in the exact moment you hold it instead of the next turn. I would not have another thing to explain for the time being...

thenobodies80 wrote:If it was for me I would change also them to be checked in that exact moment (it would make more sense), but this is another discussion.

thenobodies80 wrote:

degaston wrote:Someone just posted a rough map idea that could use this capability. Is there any way to do what he wants using transformations?

If the point is only slow down a player, something like that could be done using conditions (see last trasformation example into the xml guide) and with small changes applied to mapmaker's idea, i think.

Anyway, about your suggestion, if you ask to me, conditional borders postponed to the next turn it's something I would not prefer to see happen...if I have the key why I should wait to open the door?

degaston wrote:I think this is a problem of learning

degaston wrote: the response has been "we can't make a change just for one map!"

thenobodies80 wrote:

degaston wrote:I think this is a problem of learning

True. But from my point of view, as Foundry Foreman, it means a cost in time and effort on a long long period. It's up to you to convince me that the benefits are more than the cost.
That's why i said I'm scared if I compare the possible "uses/shades" of this feature and the mess that it could be create. Obviously the final solution for the learning issue should not fall on the mapmakers but, in the same time, I can't ignore it since it's something that happens.

• Allow maps to have a separate legend page, or at least a link to a text file, that explains everything in more detail than can be put on a standard map legend.
• Improve the map selection process, so that it's easy for people to see what features a map uses before they start to play it.
• Similar to the Guide Program, have a Help Chat Program that would allow experienced players to answer questions.
• As I said before, allow people to play unrated games so they're not complaining about losing points because of some feature they weren't aware of.

thenobodies80 wrote:

degaston wrote: the response has been "we can't make a change just for one map!"

mmmm....that's not my point of view when I have to share my opinion on possible changes. I can't speak for bigwham but I don't think that it reflects his vision as well.
The only point on which I always stress is to not change previous map, so new gameplay features should not change the way we play existing maps, just that.

Instead, if the map shows like a great addition for the site, if it has a compelling gameplay, if it is not just another map to add to the current rooster, well I'm pretty sure that the site is willing to change the code or add a new feature to allow it!
Obviously, while choosing what implement or not, we need to take into consideration and maybe give more importance to a suggestion which can be applied on a larger spectrum of maps.
If you got that answer, i think the meaning is: "in general, if you suggest to add or change something, please do it without have a specific map in mind". It makes sense, i think.

So if you have a clear plan in how your suggestion can be used and explained on maps and if it allow you to create, pass me the word, a "specialized" map....well I'm all for it!

thenobodies80 wrote:The future of mapmaking, on this site, is all based on the specialization. It could be only in this way to not have maps that are nothing more than the copy of a previous one but with different graphics. Conquer Club has always been a special place, where maps were something great to play for their uniqueness (gameplay, graphics, objectives, etc)....if you ask to me if we have something to produce a bit less, well that is standard/classic gameplay maps that play all the same!

Note: sorry for the small digression Sugg Mods, i think it was important to state clear what is the position of the foundry and the blue guys with possible new suggestions.

Back on your current suggestion, if you find a way to make very very clear on the map that conditional borders and bombardments are postponed to next turn and if mapmakers are fine with this additional rule to follow (space is required to do that)...I see nothing to not allow it apart the possible confusion that your suggestion could create. Obviously the last word is always up to bigwham.