Conquer Club

Reprogram spoils so that they are tabulated at the end of any successful assault, but not granted until the start of the player's next turn - held in limbo, similar to "deferred troops" when players miss turns.

• Currently, spoils are granted only when the player hits "end turn".
• For escalating, refusal to end turn can prevent a player from a 5th card for the fastest cash.
• For nuclear, refusal to end turn can prevent a player from a 5th card and forced nuke of himself.
• These are both similar in nature to the old system where refusal to end turn resulted in a Freestyle player being the first up in the next round.
• Current C&A reports are saying this refusal to end turn (which unnecessarily prolongs the game) isn't 'cheating' because the folks are just using what the system program allows, and are not INTENDING to prolong the game (even though they ARE unnecessarily prolonging the games to do this, and prolonging the games unnecessarily is against CC rules)

• This change will take away the ability to use cheap tactics for spoils, by ensuring that a player must accept spoils and cash if spoils were earned.
• Programming spoils to be earned at the end of assaults but granted at the start of a player's turn will prohibit another potential cheap tactic: refusal to take a turn that might result in undesired cashes.
• Will be more consistent with prior rulings (aka freestyle doubleturn) and fixes that ultimately prevented a "cheap tactic" from being used to manipulate the game.

Timminz wrote:Neat idea. Quite a bit like Castle Risk. I really don't like your use of the word "reprogram" though. Making this change to all games with spoils would be ridiculous. For one, not getting your cards until the beginning of the next turn would mean that no one would ever be sitting with 5 between their turns. This would be a MONUMENTAL change, and one that I (and anyone who enjoys escalating games, likely) would detest.

I like the idea about forcing a card onto people who "forget" to end their turn.

Metsfanmax wrote:The OP says that the card is "tabulated" after the assault. That means the only change to the system is that you don't require an ended turn to earn a card. Nothing else would change; you'd still know what your card was before your next turn, because the card would display in your spoils as soon as you end your turn (either by clicking 'end turn' or by running out of time).

stahrgazer wrote:Concise description: Deferred spoils

Reprogram spoils so that they are tabulated at the end of any successful assault, but not granted until the start of the player's next turn - held in limbo, similar to "deferred troops" when players miss turns.

Timminz wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:The OP says that the card is "tabulated" after the assault. That means the only change to the system is that you don't require an ended turn to earn a card. Nothing else would change; you'd still know what your card was before your next turn, because the card would display in your spoils as soon as you end your turn (either by clicking 'end turn' or by running out of time).

stahrgazer wrote:Concise description: Deferred spoils

Reprogram spoils so that they are tabulated at the end of any successful assault, but not granted until the start of the player's next turn - held in limbo, similar to "deferred troops" when players miss turns.

Metsfanmax wrote:One potential problem is that the server has to remember that you earned a card for a long time, before actually granting it to you.

stahrgazer wrote:Concise description: Deferred spoils

Reprogram spoils so that they are tabulated at the end of any successful assault, but not granted until the start of the player's next turn - held in limbo, similar to "deferred troops" when players miss turns.

Specifics/Details:

• Currently, spoils are granted only when the player hits "end turn".
• For escalating, refusal to end turn can prevent a player from a 5th card for the fastest cash.
• For nuclear, refusal to end turn can prevent a player from a 5th card and forced nuke of himself.
• These are both similar in nature to the old system where refusal to end turn resulted in a Freestyle player being the first up in the next round.
• Current C&A reports are saying this refusal to end turn (which unnecessarily prolongs the game) isn't 'cheating' because the folks are just using what the system program allows, and are not INTENDING to prolong the game (even though they ARE unnecessarily prolonging the games to do this, and prolonging the games unnecessarily is against CC rules)

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

• This change will take away the ability to use cheap tactics for spoils, by ensuring that a player must accept spoils and cash if spoils were earned.
• Programming spoils to be earned at the end of assaults but granted at the start of a player's turn will prohibit another potential cheap tactic: refusal to take a turn that might result in undesired cashes.
• Will be more consistent with prior rulings (aka freestyle doubleturn) and fixes that ultimately prevented a "cheap tactic" from being used to manipulate the game.

rdsrds2120 wrote:Instead of doing that, you can do the same thing and just have the check happen when you press 'Begin Turn' on the following. Holding one boolean value on the game is nothing compared to everything else that it stores.
Even if that's now hot it happens, it wouldn't be hard to store a boolean value of getting a card true or false, but I'm not a web developer. Up to turtle.

TheForgivenOne wrote:

rdsrds2120 wrote:Instead of doing that, you can do the same thing and just have the check happen when you press 'Begin Turn' on the following. Holding one boolean value on the game is nothing compared to everything else that it stores.
Even if that's now hot it happens, it wouldn't be hard to store a boolean value of getting a card true or false, but I'm not a web developer. Up to turtle.

Problem here is, if they were to hand out cards when "Begin Turn" Is pressed, what happens if a player misses a turn? Will it be assigned when he gets back? If so, this could be a bit of a problem, as someone may have pegged him off for his cards to get a 5 set, but instead of getting 5 for the elimination, he would only get 4.

MrBenn wrote:However, at the moment it is a valid strategy (albeit one that could be seen as 'cheap') to avoid collecting a card in nukes (or even to delay cashing in a set of them mid-turn to avoid wiping yourself or a partner out).

I can see less of a reason why you would want to use it in an escalating game though?

Darwins_Bane wrote:yes but the you would have a different type of abuse to consider. what happens if 5 players have 5 cards each in escalating? you can't just force them to take a card. how do you make them cash? do you cash for them? what order of cashing is fair since the comp does it all?

Darwins_Bane wrote:saying that something should be stopped is all well and good, but there has been no real suggestion on what should be done to replace the current system.

And before going off like you did, why don't you read my previous post about the consequences of implementing this suggestion. Don't get me wrong, when someone lets time run out to get a better cash or not take a card, i foe them.

Timminz wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:The OP says that the card is "tabulated" after the assault. That means the only change to the system is that you don't require an ended turn to earn a card. Nothing else would change; you'd still know what your card was before your next turn, because the card would display in your spoils as soon as you end your turn (either by clicking 'end turn' or by running out of time).

stahrgazer wrote:Concise description: Deferred spoils

Reprogram spoils so that they are tabulated at the end of any successful assault, but not granted until the start of the player's next turn - held in limbo, similar to "deferred troops" when players miss turns.